Some People NEVER learn!

Sniper[MI] · 03-08-2003, 04:30 PM

Howdy,

if I could say one tjhing to these people, it would be Holocost! Did they forget what happened to their people with the Third Reich? Do they think for one minute the likes of Bin Laden, and Hussein or the Palestinian lesdership would not mow them over if they could?

I guess some people never get it!

Doglips · 03-08-2003, 05:03 PM

Part of the reson I left that religion....the people I kept meeting had a victim mentality....everything was a blatent attack on them...or we had the liberal..the world is a wounderfull safe place.... American Jews are so vastly diffrent from the Isreal Jews I meet..both in Isreal and the USA.... I see a SAD simalaraty between the American Jews..and American in general...we have become soft, weak, and forget the scarfices our ancestors..and parents made....both on the battle feild and just the strugle to work hard, provide, and make a better life for their familes. I hope that people wake up before it is too late...but I fear it will take some majore..and repeated series of events to get people to wake up.........just hope we dont end up eating our food with chop sticks and learning about Chairman Mao before we get our junk together.

wes · 03-08-2003, 05:12 PM

Doglips,I've been wondering the same thing. The Isreali Jews are some of the toughest people on earth,and the American Jews have a roll-up-in-a-ball-and-die attutude. Why is that?

Big Dog · 03-08-2003, 06:43 PM

The American Jews have had it too easy for too long, while the Israelis have been at the sharp end of the stick from the beginning.
I'd like to see every young Jewish man do what my brother-in-law did - go to Israel and live in a Kibbutz for a year or so. Rick has no illusions about what the Palestinians' plan for Israel is. Originally a gun-hating Liberal, he is now a gun-owning Liberal - we're still working on that Liberal thing . . .

PAPA G · 03-08-2003, 06:47 PM

the average American Jew, has never suffered, never fought for a believe, never lives under the threat of annialation as Israel does. the average American Jew doesn't have to worry about homicide-bombers, guerilla raids on settlements. the average American Jew is too liberal to be cognizant of what Israel is under.

7mmag6 · 03-09-2003, 12:09 AM

Im not sure thats true, judaism is a belief system like every religion, Israel is a political entity, and has Muslims, Jews, and Chistians like every society, they feel they are under attack, hence the Likud and Sharon, Isreal has no representitive democracy, you vote for the party, not the person, its not representitive of the countries diverse population, as far as American jews, where do you think the funding for Israel comes from? protestants? the jewish population has been in every war in this country, and contributed thier suns for freedom, a small minority, like every minority, cant see the reason for war, but its not a part of the jewish majority, or tradition

7mmag6 · 03-09-2003, 12:15 AM

thats from a good lutheran

NRAJOE · 03-09-2003, 05:10 AM

Those who do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it!

Doglips · 03-09-2003, 11:18 AM

WEs it has a lot to do with easy liveing..not real threats...Isreal Jews get a little torqued off at the "we send $$ to you so you owe us" attitude of American Jews....Some people also mistake donations with convictions...ok so you sent some $$....but that is not a conviction. Just like many of us were not alive in WWII (Im 39) so the scrafices of the vetrans...and the people at home seem like fiction...we just dot appricate it....just like my kids now...try explaining live with out air conditioning...or cable...and I might as well talk agabra to my dog....same blank look.
We are free today because men and women...fought or were willing to fight for this country and our freedoms! People at home worked hard..scarficed..but I belive that we forgot that..like its always been the way it is now.
On a side note..in America you have basicly 2 classes of jews..active..synagog attending generaly doing well $$....and "Assimalated"...people no longer attached to a synagog (wandering around "lost")...not idological or political affilation aside from a check mark on a box marked religion....I fit this group...there is no out reach programs...no effort to find the lost (as compared to Churches)...for this reason I (ME ONLY) belive it is a dieing religion...no new people comeing in...no retaining existing memebers.

PAPA G · 03-09-2003, 11:31 AM

the current generation hasn't a clue too what the previous generations were like, or the sacrfice of veterans. try to tell my kids, about my experiences growing up, it goes right over their heads, and old dad gets them goofy looks.

my dog may not know what i talk about but at least she pays attention!!!

Rave · 03-09-2003, 12:13 PM

I don't know about that DL,after listening to Mr. Sharon make the speech about how they have won every war and never had a bit of help from anyone it sounds like the attitude is not"We gave you money and now you owe us" it seems more like "You never gave us anything and YOU owe us"!

wes · 03-09-2003, 01:04 PM

Thanks Doglips,that did clarify some things I've been wondering about. I also think Aaron Zelman with JPFO is right on target.

Doglips · 03-09-2003, 04:31 PM

Rave..goes both ways I guess....both sides think they do all the work...kinda like work..my shift (3rd) swears we do all the work..1st swears all we do is sleep

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Stopper · 03-09-2003, 07:35 PM

They are of the same ilk that A.N.S.W.E.R. and other pukes come from. In general, Americans haven't suffered, let alone American jews. Israel has to protect itself and no one loves an underdog like I do, so I support Israel 100%.

oneastrix · 03-10-2003, 08:31 AM

Waiting to hear from Lenny2 on this one.......

And no offense intended towards him by saying that. I just figure he'll have a take on it.

NRAJOE · 03-10-2003, 08:35 AM

Ya had to go and say his name didn't ya? You just conjured up the demons like in "Evil Dead"....

Rave · 03-12-2003, 12:17 PM

We give Israel money,all kinds of weapons,in fact we gave them their country,I think these are facts,if not please educate me to the contrary,and Mr. Sharon says no one ever gave them any help and they did it all on their own,to a thunderous applause.
I guess the fact that they have a country and all the latest weapons,well they just fell out of the sky! S.O.S.

03-12-2003, 03:17 PM

NRAJOE, I am honored to be mentioned in the same post as "Evil Dead". What a great trilogy! LOL I love those movies. Ash rules!

Anyways, I do have a few opinions on this subject. The American Jews do have it a lot easier than the Israeli Jews. But that is not to say that American Jews have not suffered or people in their family have not suffered greatly. There are large groups of Jews here that vote liberal and that is very unfortunate, but I think Bush is turning many of them our way due to him showing his nuts to the Iraqis.

We do give a lot of support to Israel and we were instrumental in their founding. But it was the UN that recognized Israel and gave them soveriegnty. We do not give Israel military support in the form of troops. They fight all of their own battles, at great disadvantages. They are surrounded by people that not only want them out of their area, but want them completely extinguished. To say that they are only in existence because of the US is naive.
We give them support in part due to the fact that there are a lot of Jews living in the US; in fact, there are more Jews in the US than in Israel. Our support to Israel gives a close, strong ally in the middle east. That has great strategic importance.

And we should suport Israel if for no other reason than the food! Matzoball Soup forever!

PAPA G · 03-12-2003, 05:58 PM

i am not reffering to the survivors of the Nazi's or those brave souls who fought Arabs and British to found Israel. but rather the leftwing peace at any cost types.

Rave · 03-13-2003, 09:16 AM

If one were to read the book "Unintended Consequences" one would read how a lone Jew in the ghetto,with a junk revolver,no gun knowledge,having never even held a gun before,fought the Nazis and was the only survivor.Now THAT MAN deserves anyone's respect,and he wasn't an arrogent horses patootie either,he was a REAL man and was thankful for everything in life and went on to fight again in this "free" country,good reading!

03-08-2003, 04:30 PM	#1
Sniper[MI] Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Future 51st state, "New Hope" Posts: 3,796	Some People NEVER learn! Howdy, if I could say one tjhing to these people, it would be Holocost! Did they forget what happened to their people with the Third Reich? Do they think for one minute the likes of Bin Laden, and Hussein or the Palestinian lesdership would not mow them over if they could? I guess some people never get it! __________________ FNUH!

03-08-2003, 06:43 PM	#4
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,201	The American Jews have had it too easy for too long, while the Israelis have been at the sharp end of the stick from the beginning. I'd like to see every young Jewish man do what my brother-in-law did - go to Israel and live in a Kibbutz for a year or so. Rick has no illusions about what the Palestinians' plan for Israel is. Originally a gun-hating Liberal, he is now a gun-owning Liberal - we're still working on that Liberal thing . . . __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

03-08-2003, 06:47 PM	#5
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	I BELIEVE IT IS BECAUSE........ the average American Jew, has never suffered, never fought for a believe, never lives under the threat of annialation as Israel does. the average American Jew doesn't have to worry about homicide-bombers, guerilla raids on settlements. the average American Jew is too liberal to be cognizant of what Israel is under.

03-09-2003, 05:10 AM	#8
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,043 Images: 3	Those who do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it! __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

03-09-2003, 11:31 AM	#10
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	YOU NAILED IT 'LIPS...... the current generation hasn't a clue too what the previous generations were like, or the sacrfice of veterans. try to tell my kids, about my experiences growing up, it goes right over their heads, and old dad gets them goofy looks. my dog may not know what i talk about but at least she pays attention!!!

03-08-2003, 05:03 PM	#2
Doglips Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cocoa Florida Posts: 9,089	Part of the reson I left that religion....the people I kept meeting had a victim mentality....everything was a blatent attack on them...or we had the liberal..the world is a wounderfull safe place.... American Jews are so vastly diffrent from the Isreal Jews I meet..both in Isreal and the USA.... I see a SAD simalaraty between the American Jews..and American in general...we have become soft, weak, and forget the scarfices our ancestors..and parents made....both on the battle feild and just the strugle to work hard, provide, and make a better life for their familes. I hope that people wake up before it is too late...but I fear it will take some majore..and repeated series of events to get people to wake up.........just hope we dont end up eating our food with chop sticks and learning about Chairman Mao before we get our junk together.

03-08-2003, 05:12 PM	#3
wes Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Loveland Co Posts: 1,906	Doglips,I've been wondering the same thing. The Isreali Jews are some of the toughest people on earth,and the American Jews have a roll-up-in-a-ball-and-die attutude. Why is that?

03-09-2003, 12:09 AM	#6
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 337 Images: 1	Im not sure thats true, judaism is a belief system like every religion, Israel is a political entity, and has Muslims, Jews, and Chistians like every society, they feel they are under attack, hence the Likud and Sharon, Isreal has no representitive democracy, you vote for the party, not the person, its not representitive of the countries diverse population, as far as American jews, where do you think the funding for Israel comes from? protestants? the jewish population has been in every war in this country, and contributed thier suns for freedom, a small minority, like every minority, cant see the reason for war, but its not a part of the jewish majority, or tradition

03-09-2003, 12:15 AM	#7
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 337 Images: 1	thats from a good lutheran

03-09-2003, 11:18 AM	#9
Doglips Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cocoa Florida Posts: 9,089	WEs it has a lot to do with easy liveing..not real threats...Isreal Jews get a little torqued off at the "we send $$ to you so you owe us" attitude of American Jews....Some people also mistake donations with convictions...ok so you sent some $$....but that is not a conviction. Just like many of us were not alive in WWII (Im 39) so the scrafices of the vetrans...and the people at home seem like fiction...we just dot appricate it....just like my kids now...try explaining live with out air conditioning...or cable...and I might as well talk agabra to my dog....same blank look. We are free today because men and women...fought or were willing to fight for this country and our freedoms! People at home worked hard..scarficed..but I belive that we forgot that..like its always been the way it is now. On a side note..in America you have basicly 2 classes of jews..active..synagog attending generaly doing well $$....and "Assimalated"...people no longer attached to a synagog (wandering around "lost")...not idological or political affilation aside from a check mark on a box marked religion....I fit this group...there is no out reach programs...no effort to find the lost (as compared to Churches)...for this reason I (ME ONLY) belive it is a dieing religion...no new people comeing in...no retaining existing memebers.

03-09-2003, 12:13 PM	#11
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 6,858	I don't know about that DL,after listening to Mr. Sharon make the speech about how they have won every war and never had a bit of help from anyone it sounds like the attitude is not"We gave you money and now you owe us" it seems more like "You never gave us anything and YOU owe us"! __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

03-09-2003, 01:04 PM	#12
wes Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Loveland Co Posts: 1,906	Thanks Doglips,that did clarify some things I've been wondering about. I also think Aaron Zelman with JPFO is right on target.

03-09-2003, 04:31 PM	#13
Doglips Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cocoa Florida Posts: 9,089	Rave..goes both ways I guess....both sides think they do all the work...kinda like work..my shift (3rd) swears we do all the work..1st swears all we do is sleep .

03-09-2003, 07:35 PM	#14
Stopper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansass Posts: 2,211 Images: 1	They are of the same ilk that A.N.S.W.E.R. and other pukes come from. In general, Americans haven't suffered, let alone American jews. Israel has to protect itself and no one loves an underdog like I do, so I support Israel 100%. __________________ They should have stopped at "Congress shall make no law"

03-10-2003, 08:31 AM	#15
oneastrix Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 5,213	Waiting to hear from Lenny2 on this one....... And no offense intended towards him by saying that. I just figure he'll have a take on it. __________________ There's no one more thankful to sit at the table, than the one who best remembers hunger's pain.

03-10-2003, 08:35 AM	#16
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,043 Images: 3	Ya had to go and say his name didn't ya? You just conjured up the demons like in "Evil Dead".... __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

03-12-2003, 12:17 PM	#17
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 6,858	We give Israel money,all kinds of weapons,in fact we gave them their country,I think these are facts,if not please educate me to the contrary,and Mr. Sharon says no one ever gave them any help and they did it all on their own,to a thunderous applause. I guess the fact that they have a country and all the latest weapons,well they just fell out of the sky! S.O.S. __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

03-12-2003, 03:17 PM	#18
Lenny2 Guest Posts: n/a	NRAJOE, I am honored to be mentioned in the same post as "Evil Dead". What a great trilogy! LOL I love those movies. Ash rules! Anyways, I do have a few opinions on this subject. The American Jews do have it a lot easier than the Israeli Jews. But that is not to say that American Jews have not suffered or people in their family have not suffered greatly. There are large groups of Jews here that vote liberal and that is very unfortunate, but I think Bush is turning many of them our way due to him showing his nuts to the Iraqis. We do give a lot of support to Israel and we were instrumental in their founding. But it was the UN that recognized Israel and gave them soveriegnty. We do not give Israel military support in the form of troops. They fight all of their own battles, at great disadvantages. They are surrounded by people that not only want them out of their area, but want them completely extinguished. To say that they are only in existence because of the US is naive. We give them support in part due to the fact that there are a lot of Jews living in the US; in fact, there are more Jews in the US than in Israel. Our support to Israel gives a close, strong ally in the middle east. That has great strategic importance. And we should suport Israel if for no other reason than the food! Matzoball Soup forever!

03-12-2003, 05:58 PM	#19
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	IN MY REMARKS i am not reffering to the survivors of the Nazi's or those brave souls who fought Arabs and British to found Israel. but rather the leftwing peace at any cost types.

03-13-2003, 09:16 AM	#20
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 6,858	If one were to read the book "Unintended Consequences" one would read how a lone Jew in the ghetto,with a junk revolver,no gun knowledge,having never even held a gun before,fought the Nazis and was the only survivor.Now THAT MAN deserves anyone's respect,and he wasn't an arrogent horses patootie either,he was a REAL man and was thankful for everything in life and went on to fight again in this "free" country,good reading! __________________ USAF '62-'66 .