Probing the Market: New 223 semi-auto

BattleRifleG3 · 03-22-2003, 04:33 PM

Yep, it's another one of BattleRifle's crazy aspiring gun manufacturing ideas. This one's designed to compete with the AR-15, Mini-14, and 223 cal AKs all at once.

Action would be kind of like a cross between the SKS and BAR 1918, ie a tilt locking bolt. Configuration would be like a cross between the SKS and FAL, ie a trigger group connected to the buttstock.

Feeding device would be AR-15 magazines.

Furniture could be AR-15 surplus, but could be different as well.

Optics would be attached to receiver via an additional mount.

Far as accuracy goes, wouldn't promise more than MBR accuracy, as in 2-3", but wouldn't be satisfied with less.

Price range would probably be $300-400, lil more than an SAR but less than a Mini and generally a better.

Doglips · 03-22-2003, 04:36 PM

BattleRifleG3 you think too much

its spring break...come to Florida spend lots $$, drink beer, and relax

But then agin they probly said this to Bill Gates.

Big Dog · 03-22-2003, 04:47 PM

Nice idea, but realistically, the AK's, SKS's and several others are cheap due to low manufacturing and labor costs in Socialist countries. American labor costs and litigation-insurance would sky-rocket your prices. A USA-made SKS would cost $800 at least.

BattleRifleG3 · 03-22-2003, 05:07 PM

This is actually simpler than an SKS, and would utilize advances in technology of manufacturing. Also designed for the sporting market and able to use things not practical for standard military issue, ie screws instead of pins and machines with simple assembly but complex parts. A Saiga or SAR-3 would be cheaper, but this one would use AR-15 mags, being designed for them from the start.

This design is actually just like one I drew up a year ago, but on a larger scale and using magnum cartridges.

Not like I'm about to put one out next week, just seeing what the market would be.

Rave · 03-23-2003, 01:17 PM

Saw neat little AR clones in Shotgun News for under $500 dealer prices,all parts interchangable!

Klaus · 03-23-2003, 03:16 PM

I am happy with the AR-180 action. I think the bolt should lock into the chamber. The tilting bolt would simplify the bolt, but require a stonger and more precisely machined receiver.

03-22-2003, 04:33 PM	#1
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Trader Rating: (0)	Probing the Market: New 223 semi-auto Yep, it's another one of BattleRifle's crazy aspiring gun manufacturing ideas. This one's designed to compete with the AR-15, Mini-14, and 223 cal AKs all at once. Action would be kind of like a cross between the SKS and BAR 1918, ie a tilt locking bolt. Configuration would be like a cross between the SKS and FAL, ie a trigger group connected to the buttstock. Feeding device would be AR-15 magazines. Furniture could be AR-15 surplus, but could be different as well. Optics would be attached to receiver via an additional mount. Far as accuracy goes, wouldn't promise more than MBR accuracy, as in 2-3", but wouldn't be satisfied with less. Price range would probably be $300-400, lil more than an SAR but less than a Mini and generally a better. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

03-22-2003, 04:47 PM	#3
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,020 Trader Rating: (0)	Nice idea, but realistically, the AK's, SKS's and several others are cheap due to low manufacturing and labor costs in Socialist countries. American labor costs and litigation-insurance would sky-rocket your prices. A USA-made SKS would cost $800 at least. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

03-22-2003, 05:07 PM	#4
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Trader Rating: (0)	This is actually simpler than an SKS, and would utilize advances in technology of manufacturing. Also designed for the sporting market and able to use things not practical for standard military issue, ie screws instead of pins and machines with simple assembly but complex parts. A Saiga or SAR-3 would be cheaper, but this one would use AR-15 mags, being designed for them from the start. This design is actually just like one I drew up a year ago, but on a larger scale and using magnum cartridges. Not like I'm about to put one out next week, just seeing what the market would be. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

03-23-2003, 01:17 PM	#5
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 6,735 Trader Rating: (0)	Saw neat little AR clones in Shotgun News for under $500 dealer prices,all parts interchangable! __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

03-23-2003, 03:16 PM	#6
Klaus Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cypress, Texas Posts: 2,383 Trader Rating: (0)	I am happy with the AR-180 action. I think the bolt should lock into the chamber. The tilting bolt would simplify the bolt, but require a stonger and more precisely machined receiver. __________________ "Gee, Wally, Eddie Haskel's mom puts out!"

03-22-2003, 04:36 PM	#2
Doglips Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cocoa Florida Posts: 9,090 Trader Rating: (0)	BattleRifleG3 you think too much its spring break...come to Florida spend lots $$, drink beer, and relax But then agin they probly said this to Bill Gates.