Old 01-20-2011, 08:17 PM   #1
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Interesting take and one you don't hear much. . . .


"The Gun Is Civilization" by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable..

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)

So the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced.

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Old 01-20-2011, 08:28 PM   #2
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Nice! Very well said! A gun ALWAYS gives you the edge(or at least levels the field).

Do you mind if I copy and send this in an e-mail to some of my friends?
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Old 01-20-2011, 08:29 PM   #3
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Thanks for posting that, griz.

I had read it before, but did not save a copy of it.

I did save a copy this time, thanks to you.
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Old 01-20-2011, 08:41 PM   #4
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Save it, post it or mail it.
This is one of those profound statements.
That EVERY American, should read!!
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Old 01-20-2011, 09:07 PM   #5
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The major makes a well reasoned argument, and I plan to outline it so I can use his poins the next time I have the opportunity to ram the arguments for gun control up some liberal's ass. But I feel I need to point out that the citizens of the Old West said what he did more succinctly.

"God did not make all men equal. Colonel Colt did."
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Old 01-21-2011, 02:13 AM   #6
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It's a smart well written piece of logic that cannot be argued againt. Notice the author didn't thow the term 'liberal' around as an insul. He didn't try to use emotion to make his point. Just logic and fact. There was nothing there that came off as a rant or an 'us agains them' argument.
Great post.
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Old 01-21-2011, 06:10 AM   #7
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It is an excellent article, Griz.... thanks for posting it. I would really like to think that a USMC Major authored it, but that's not the case.

The article was authored by a Mr. Marko Kloos, in 2007....

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Old 01-21-2011, 06:48 AM   #8
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Smile Thought provoking

Excellent posting;
adding to ''jay'' it has been plagiarized a number of times. inculding ''Uncle Ted"

One of the better thinking articles floating around
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Old 01-21-2011, 08:08 AM   #9
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Quote:       Originally Posted by Cyrano View Post
The major makes a well reasoned argument, and I plan to outline it so I can use his poins the next time I have the opportunity to ram the arguments for gun control up some liberal's ass. But I feel I need to point out that the citizens of the Old West said what he did more succinctly.

"God did not make all men equal. Colonel Colt did."

I was going to say the very same thing, .

I outline his argument when I talk about gun control, but living in AL, I haven't actually met anyone who doesn't believe in gun ownership. . . EVER. LOL!
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