I agree that violence along the border is bad and getting worse. Increased LEO/military presence is definately needed and when the Govt can get some kind of bipartisan plan to deal with it, without the bribing of lobbyists for American corporations that continually hire these illegals, maybe something substantial will be done. As long as American uses cheap labor and illegal drugs, the situation will only get worse.
A great start would be to crack down on businesses that knowingly hire illegal's. I would support a fine of $100,000 and one year in jail per illegal employee plus the business pays all the taxes this illegal would have paid if hired legally. That would stop the hiring and quick. CEO's don't do well in jail. Think Bill Gates would like being a career criminal's bitch?
Next change the policy where we deport the illegal's not just document how many there are. No need for a timely trial. If you are here illegally you are removed immediately like any tresspasser would be.
All we have to do is get a President with a pair of balls to sign a bill like that. Not that we have removed so many of the Liberals from The House I'm sure a bill of that nature would pass. Use Arizona's Bill and structure a Federal one from there.
All we have to do is get a President with a pair of balls to sign a bill like that. Not that we have removed so many of the Liberals from The House I'm sure a bill of that nature would pass. Use Arizona's Bill and structure a Federal one from there.
The largest raid in our State's history, of a packing plant full of illegals happened two years ago. The owners were heavy contributors of the previous Republican President and Legislators. The right wants the labor and the left wants the votes. It will take a bipartisan effort, free of graft, to accomplish anything.
I said this in previous posts on illegal immigration. Nothing short of a "Final Solution" will correct the problem. Everything else will fall short.
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In your first post you mentioned "illegal Latins" and your friend Bunny Rabbit mentioned "illegal Mexicans". Not my words.
My remarks are towards the fact that we are more likely to be killed by someone in our own neighborhood/social circles than by an illegal alien. That's the reality. Unless one is a Border Patrol Agent or lives in a barrio full of illegals, you are not very likely to suffer from their violence.
We will, however, pay for the costs associated with the illegal immigration problem through higher taxes. I will give you that. But suffering from a violent crime instigated by an illegal, well, the odds are just not in our favor.
Close the borders and fine American corporations that hire them. Tighten up the requirements needed for qualifying for State welfare benefits. Next, start deporting them when they are found out, even their "anchor" children as is being proposed in Congress this session. As their numbers decrease, so will their criminals.
Yes, you are very right. I did mention ILLEGAL Latins and Bunny did mention ILLEGAL Mexicans. Latin people who come here ILLEGALLY are ILLEGAL Latins. Latin people who come here legally are just people who happen to be of Latin decent. Mexicans who come here ILLEGALLY are ILLEGAL Mexicans. Mexicans who come here legally are people who just happen to be of Mexican decent. Please enlighten me and show us all where the word ILLEGAL has anything to do with race.
Ignore people and race for just one moment. Let's look at pain pills like Oxy Cotton or Percocet. If I break my knee or have surgery and a Medical Doctor perscribes me Percocet for the pain and I drive over to Walgreens and get my perscription from a licensed Pharmicist those pills are legal perscription medicine. If I buy those same pills from a kid on the street corner or in the alley they are illegal narcotics. Same pills, same effect but one is a jailable offense and the other is a Medical Doctor practicing medicine. This is not about race it is about the law.
I took the liberty to look the word "ILLEGAL" up in the dictionary for your review. In case I missed where race is mentioned in the difination can you please point it out?
Originally Posted by KW Gary M All we have to do is get a President with a pair of balls to sign a bill like that. Not that we have removed so many of the Liberals from The House I'm sure a bill of that nature would pass. Use Arizona's Bill and structure a Federal one from there.
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The largest raid in our State's history, of a packing plant full of illegals happened two years ago. The owners were heavy contributors of the previous Republican President and Legislators. The right wants the labor and the left wants the votes. It will take a bipartisan effort, free of graft, to accomplish anything.
I said this in previous posts on illegal immigration. Nothing short of a "Final Solution" will correct the problem. Everything else will fall short.
Typical of a Liberal. Blame it on the Republicans.
The only way the illegal immigrant problem will be solved is to stop the blame, stop pointing the finger, forget the past and focus on the present day and future. Forget about what has been done and focus on what needs to be done. If a Republican business owner hires illegal's fine him and throw his Republican ass in jail. If a Democrat business owner hires illegal's fine him and throw his Democrat ass in jail to be cell mates with the Republican who hired illegal's. The law is no more about Political Party than it is about Race. It is about what is legal and what is illegal. It seems people are taking something that is pretty simple and making it more than it is.
This is a direct quote from the article: "#9 U.S. authorities say that there are now over 1 million members of criminal gangs operating inside the United States. According to federal statistics, these 1 million gang members are responsible for up to 80% of the violent crimes committed in the U.S. each year. Latino gangs made up primarily of illegal aliens are responsible for much of this violence."
This is a direct quote from Rambo:
"My remarks are towards the fact that we are more likely to be killed by someone in our own neighborhood/social circles than by an illegal alien. That's the reality. Unless one is a Border Patrol Agent or lives in a barrio full of illegals, you are not very likely to suffer from their violence."
Which one are we to believe, and based on what data?
Rambo cites one specific crime of homicide, with no study or source.
The article states "violent crime" which includes a LOT more crimes than just homicide, and a MUCH greater cost to society at large, based on "federal statistics."
What does "liberal" or "conservative" have to do with it?
It seems this argument is apples and oranges, and has degenerated off the main topic.
Maybe Iowa has more trailer park trash, hence the crime, and it's too cold for the illegals to go that far north.
I beg to differ Bunny... Minnesota has the Hormel plant... guess who is processing the pigs for Griz's favorite food?
I have mentioned this before. I was at City Hall in Central Minnesota... guess what I saw... some of our central American "friends" signing up for welfare...
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That's just not the case. The majority of the 3+ million inmates in this country are Americans. You are more apt to be assaulted, robbed, killed or have your house broken into by an American.
US Prison population as of 2008 shows 60% African American, 20% Hispanic, 13% Caucasian, 7% Asian, Indian,etc.
Just to point out, the majority of that U.S. prison population is for non-violent offenses, mostly for drug use and for dealing drugs...
USA Total prisoners: 2,293,000
percentage In prison for Drug offenses:
19.5 % sentenced state prisoners (2005)
53% federal sentenced prisoners in (2007)
This is a direct quote from the article: "#9 U.S. authorities say that there are now over 1 million members of criminal gangs operating inside the United States. According to federal statistics, these 1 million gang members are responsible for up to 80% of the violent crimes committed in the U.S. each year. Latino gangs made up primarily of illegal aliens are responsible for much of this violence."
This is a direct quote from Rambo:
"My remarks are towards the fact that we are more likely to be killed by someone in our own neighborhood/social circles than by an illegal alien. That's the reality. Unless one is a Border Patrol Agent or lives in a barrio full of illegals, you are not very likely to suffer from their violence."
Which one are we to believe, and based on what data?
Rambo cites one specific crime of homicide, with no study or source.
The article states "violent crime" which includes a LOT more crimes than just homicide, and a MUCH greater cost to society at large, based on "federal statistics."
What does "liberal" or "conservative" have to do with it?
It seems this argument is apples and oranges, and has degenerated off the main topic.
Another factor to consider in Rambo's statement, how about re-looking at the violent crime rate committed by illegal's vs Americans on a per capita ratio? I think the numbers would be much higher on the illegal side then.
#3 is exactly why the Mexican goverment doesn't care about the immigration problem. Why stop stop people from going into a richer country and making more money than they would in your country and send it back home?
Rambo: I see your point. But we are dealing with American citizens commiting crimes, and enemies of the United States. They are not the same thing. Nor should they be treated equally.
That is what upsets me. These foreign criminals are murdering, raping, robbing, and plundering the possessions of American citizens and getting away with it (not to mention stealing our way of life). In my opinion, they are just as much our national enemy as Al Qaeda.
Please do not get me wrong. I am very pro-immigration(that's how our family came here right?). But when someone enters our country illegaly their status changes from "immigrant" to "criminal/enemy"
who cares what color they are,. illegal aliens, are here ILLEGALLY, that means they dont give 2 shii ts about our laws, ans they are CRIMINALS!!!! oh, and anybody who thinks they are not as far north as iowa, or even further north is SADLY mistaken.
My numbers may be off a bit but my premise remains the same. We are more likely to be injured and or killed by domestic criminals rather than illegals. The illegals are preying upon their own and yes, are doing it in a more violent fashion. I for one will not be looking out for just hispanics when it come to my defense. I know what types are causing trouble in my area and will keep an eye out for those.
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My numbers may be off a bit but my premise remains the same. We are more likely to be injured and or killed by domestic criminals rather than illegals. The illegals are preying upon their own and yes, are doing it in a more violent fashion. I for one will not be looking out for just hispanics when it come to my defense. I know what types are causing trouble in my area and will keep an eye out for those.
Illegal's just being in the country are illegal. They don't need to committing additional crimes to be illegal. If a 98 year old illegal woman is sitting in the park in her wheel chair feeding the birds and knitting she is still committing a crime. If an illegal man is volunteering at the church feeding the homeless in the soup kitchen he is still committing a crime.
No matter how many ways you try to Liberalize the numbers it is still the same answer. What percentage of the illegal's that are in America today have committed a crime today? 100%. If you ran the same data for yesterday the answer would still be 100%. If you run the same data tomorrow the answer will still be 100%. Now if you ran the same inquiry and asked what percentage of legal American Citizens living in America today have committed a crime today would that answer be 100%?
In my area it's the illegals doing the robbing, drug trafficing and murdering. There are a few American citizens doing it, but not to the extent of the illegals. In fact, I have an illegal to thank for helping convince me to get my CCW.
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the point is that it is not just a matter of controling Illegals coming across the boarder, the US Government has failed miserably at that task in the past and continues to do so, but, there are those in the boarder area that have taken this to a high threat level. it is becoming a one sided war and the US Government is standing by with it's hands in it's pockets hoping the threat will go away, and doesn't want to admit the seriousness of the threat. WAKE UP Uncle Sam, showing weakness has only empowered and emboldened them. we don't need excuses! we need very, extreme, serious results! Don't even try to tell me "it can't be done". Those words are not in the true blooded Americans vocabulary!
If it were up to me, I'd shoot every one of em that stepped over the boarder. I gurantee, in a short amount of time, they'll quit coming. JMHO
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You know, this whole illegals situation has me wondering why,and how, we have elected such officials that have allowed our loved ones to die protecting foreign lands, but have seemingly paid no attention to the security of America. Isn't this an ironic derelection of duty to our own country. I am po'ed that we have lost so many that have given their all to protect America, and now we find ourselves nearly crippled by the mass occupation of illegal invaders. I'm tired of feeling we are loosing this war of illegal occupation, and i want these people out of my country. I feel it is now my duty to elect officials that feel this same way to save my country. America is loosing its identity from within, that is whats happening. This President couldn't, and wouldn't, even give us the courtesy of displaying his birth certificate. It is obvious he has no intensions of going after the illegal invaders of this country.
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