What are these kids becoming?

oneastrix · 05-29-2003, 07:55 AM

http://www.clickonsa.com/sh/news/tex...28-160542.html

PAPA G · 05-29-2003, 08:21 AM

letting the gummint take care of things, and parents who don't give a sheet about their kids, lack of moral guidance etc.

oneastrix · 05-29-2003, 08:29 AM

I concur. Every problem I have seen on my job seems to go back to lack of parent involvement.

Rave · 05-29-2003, 09:51 AM

It's the same fools that listen to the likes of Hillery Clinton and her "It takes a village" crap. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers!That kind of mentality will never accept responsability for their kids or anything else,they worship big gummint and generally vote Democrat!

Oxford · 05-29-2003, 10:28 AM

Dissection knives exist in most schools where science classes are held. That shouldn't suprise anyone. It's the responsibility of the instructor to account for the lab's inventory control.

However, the use of the knife for battery assult is a crime and deserves well beyond the usual X days of suspension given for minor offenses by the school authorities. The perp should be placed in a cell with other law-breaking criminals since he's chosen that lifestyle himself by his actions.

Any school who coddles this type of criminal behavior is not acting responsibly toward the safety of students and staff who deserve to work in a safe environment.

Ox :nod:

alan c. · 05-29-2003, 11:06 AM

Get a rope.

Dennis · 05-29-2003, 12:49 PM

Alan C (get a rope) ?
Isnt that the same attitude that the kid had?
Ya know,.........To hell with the humanity and just killem
See it's the same Got Dang thing.
People have value in and of them selves
Even young kids that are screwed up and do stupid selfish things that hurt others.
they are still just kids for God's sake. no matter how bad they are.
So ya wanna use the death penalty on that kid?
What about all the kids that do Stupid Stupid things.
And any criminal that has ever comitted a crime... yea lets just kill Them.
And those people that.... well they look different ya know kinda darker skinned lets kill them to.
And All those dang immagrant people yea.
Hell, lets Kill every body that isnt like us, Yea thats the ticket
Then we can repopulate the world with only Gun & Game people
Yea thats it.
Alan C Dont ya understand? land of the free means that
We have to be understanding and FORGIVE people that do wrong things
Because We all can be In the Hot seat and be accused of a crime.
How many cases that are prosacuted and the police and DA are certain to a fault that they have the right guy and He did it ......
And Later it is found that the person convicted was innocent
All along.
That happens ALOT Allan C
You could Be accused some day pal
Then you will be Praying to GOD that the judge and jury will be fair.
That is the Whole reason Why we have an Impartial judge and jury system. ( Or at least they try to )

dhermesc · 05-29-2003, 01:30 PM

Just a kid with a knife randomly stabbing people. Forget the rope, just warm up a long bull whip. Tie him to a flag pole (if this school has one) and give him twenty lashes in front of all the students. The example will go a lot further to deter further ASSAULTS by him of his buddies. If he wants counceling he can go cry to mama, I just want my kid to come home with the no wounds.

tommy · 05-29-2003, 02:49 PM

post number 8 sounds good lets get back too the old days .teach these kids some respect.and how it feels to hurt others .kis these days have to many peopl protecting them like the schools child welfair. if i was to whip my kid and he go back and tell the teacher i beat him then they would send people to my house for no reason.spare the whip spoil the child ,huh ! some kids need an attitude adjustment sometimes .

Klaus · 05-29-2003, 02:51 PM

Get out the electrodes. And no Dennis, punishing someone for violent crime is NOT the same as knifing innocent passers by. It is people who insist on equating punishment with the violent crime that detroyed most of the deterrant value of the penal system. If criminals actually thought they would get physically punished or killed, the prisons would not be overcrowded and releasing offenders way before their sentenced times.

tommy · 05-29-2003, 02:53 PM

but this kid needs to be locked up .i forgot to add that to my other post. throw the key away just think if he had a gun .it could have been another columbine.

dhermesc · 05-29-2003, 04:00 PM

The public whipping goes back to when I was in public school (sans the bull whip) way back in 1986. During lunch the offender would bend over and grab his ankles and the principal or gym teacher would administer "a bust" or two, or three, or four. Kind of hard to walk around acting tough when you just got humiliated in front of the entire school. Usually the entire lunch room would erupt in cheers and jeers as the student received their punishment. In this case a knife attack deserves a little harsher sentence, similar to what my father handed out on a regular basis.

Oxford · 05-29-2003, 04:55 PM

Some of the solutions I've read above, if they were serious about these penalties, remind me of what I've read about people being merely accused of the simpliest of crimes in Afghanistan, Iraq and a few other third world countries. Hopefully we're a more advanced civilization than that! However, sometimes I wonder just how civilized we really are.

I have to concur with Oneastrix's implication in that if more parents would get involved with their kids educational process throughout their school years (not just their last 2-3 yrs of school and when they face suspension for the first time) that the chances of kids getting into serious troubles would be reduced considerably. I wonder just how involved the members of g&g who posted above were with their kids educational process. Hopefully, to a degree that they're wondering when they can back off a little.(ha) Those parantal efforts are more than likely going to pay off through their kids behavioral tendancies, especially when the kids are away from home.

No electrodes, leather whips, or similar tactics are required to motivate students from K-12. I watched a "horse show" on TV a couple of days ago about how to train horses. The point being that the horse should want to please his master if he is trained right. Without getting into "horse training" any further I simply want to say that kids have some of that same need for psychology. If they "want" to behave to please their "master"s, whomever that may be (parents, teachers, coaches, etc) and they become self-motivated, there's considerably more chance that they will never have their mail forwarded to the state pen or local jail.

Ox:nod:

Mon Bathan · 05-29-2003, 08:19 PM

It all boils down to influence. Influence of society in general. Everything bad contributes to the growth and proliferation of bad doings. Even how strong a family bond to their kids is society has more contributory factors to the ill-effects of younsters growth.

Commercials, songs, tv programs (like the jack-*** post), clubs, ads, internet and communication avenues, etc, etc. These are all influences that now directs and guides the youth today. It's a long shot deal to battle this out as society slowly submits to these interventions and not much corrective actions have been done to curb this.

It will take a strong political will among society to whip all this influences to a low or to a permanent goodbye. If untouched these misdoings or serious misbehaviors will just keep on going and as it moves it will go to new heights of terror and more ill-results.

Haaay, naku!!

Mon

tommy · 05-29-2003, 09:08 PM

i have a great deal of interest in my sons education. my youngest son is in the 2nd grade and just got sent home for the 4th time. the prinipal told me he has good enough grades to pass the year and they won't count him absent for the next two weeks if i keep him home .he has that ADHD crap we took him to a dr but they told us we have to take him to a shrink. $500. dollar's that i don't have but i will have to get it takin care of before next year.he is a smart kid and he know's it but he just can't control himself and the teacher and the principal see's it also. they told us they hate to keep fussing him at school when they know it is not his fault.and it's not (anything we done wrong raising him) it's just a condition he has i had it i was a kid and i know what he is going through .

so you can't go and blame everything a kid does wrong on the parents.i didn't raise my kid to do this he just does it .so it kinda ticks me off when peopl say it's all in the way a kid is being raised
(to me that's a bunch of bull).

whirlwind · 05-29-2003, 10:13 PM

yeah! ...what dennis said!...kill em all! lol:assult: seriously, the differance is normal people dont randomly kill/assault innocent people,this freak did so screw him! and i whole heartedly agree with 1* !!!! it takes parents to guide children! if this freak was not a ward of the state he dang sure didnt have parents that were involved with his life away from the dinner table! but people say "he is a victim of society" bull sheet! he is a victim of his parents and now he is a burden to society!

7mmag6 · 05-29-2003, 11:34 PM

I agree with mon bathan, when I was in high school, we are taking middle 60,s, i brought a few rifles to school to show off for my friends, we would ewe and awe in the parking lot, debating if it will drop a deer, fast, hell the princible, looked at one I had out in lunch break, just told me good hunting, we would never ever ever think about violence, I dont know whats wrong with some of these kids, If my kid used deadly violence in school I would take em out, I brought them into this world and I will take them out, my dad was dam strict, if i screwed up hed get that belt out and teach me a lesson, today thats child abuse,If I did ok he would buy me ice cream, and maybe a new 30-30 I turned out ok, so did my daughter, because I was strict but loving

tommy · 05-29-2003, 11:51 PM

i agree with you 7mmag6 that's the way i was raised and that's the way i rais my kids.but one of them has this problemhe has the kindest heart and the smartest brain but he does not want to listen he can't stay in one spot for a minute .his attention span is null and void most of the time .but i am disabled and medicare don't pay for his treatment so i am stuck .

alan c. · 05-30-2003, 04:12 AM

Gee Dennis you didn't have to take my comment so literally.

05-29-2003, 07:55 AM	#1
oneastrix Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on the road Posts: 5,249	What are these kids becoming? http://www.clickonsa.com/sh/news/tex...28-160542.html __________________ There's no one more thankful to sit at the table, than the one who best remembers hunger's pain.

05-29-2003, 08:21 AM	#2
PAPA G Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Somerset, Guntucky Posts: 9,604	PROBABLY A RESULT OF SOCIAL ENGINEERING letting the gummint take care of things, and parents who don't give a sheet about their kids, lack of moral guidance etc.

05-29-2003, 08:29 AM	#3
oneastrix Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on the road Posts: 5,249	I concur. Every problem I have seen on my job seems to go back to lack of parent involvement. __________________ There's no one more thankful to sit at the table, than the one who best remembers hunger's pain.

05-29-2003, 09:51 AM	#4
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 8,687	It's the same fools that listen to the likes of Hillery Clinton and her "It takes a village" crap. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers!That kind of mentality will never accept responsability for their kids or anything else,they worship big gummint and generally vote Democrat! __________________ And The Winners are.... The Usual Suspects. .

05-29-2003, 10:28 AM	#5
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 14,293 Blog Entries: 4	Dissection knives exist in most schools where science classes are held. That shouldn't suprise anyone. It's the responsibility of the instructor to account for the lab's inventory control. However, the use of the knife for battery assult is a crime and deserves well beyond the usual X days of suspension given for minor offenses by the school authorities. The perp should be placed in a cell with other law-breaking criminals since he's chosen that lifestyle himself by his actions. Any school who coddles this type of criminal behavior is not acting responsibly toward the safety of students and staff who deserve to work in a safe environment. Ox :nod: __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

05-29-2003, 11:06 AM	#6
alan c. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pasadena,Tejas - also known as Texas Posts: 3,769 Blog Entries: 3	Get a rope. __________________ God Bless. From Tejas -- formerly known as Texas.

05-29-2003, 12:49 PM	#7
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,946	Alan C (get a rope) ? Isnt that the same attitude that the kid had? Ya know,.........To hell with the humanity and just killem See it's the same Got Dang thing. People have value in and of them selves Even young kids that are screwed up and do stupid selfish things that hurt others. they are still just kids for God's sake. no matter how bad they are. So ya wanna use the death penalty on that kid? What about all the kids that do Stupid Stupid things. And any criminal that has ever comitted a crime... yea lets just kill Them. And those people that.... well they look different ya know kinda darker skinned lets kill them to. And All those dang immagrant people yea. Hell, lets Kill every body that isnt like us, Yea thats the ticket Then we can repopulate the world with only Gun & Game people Yea thats it. Alan C Dont ya understand? land of the free means that We have to be understanding and FORGIVE people that do wrong things Because We all can be In the Hot seat and be accused of a crime. How many cases that are prosacuted and the police and DA are certain to a fault that they have the right guy and He did it ...... And Later it is found that the person convicted was innocent All along. That happens ALOT Allan C You could Be accused some day pal Then you will be Praying to GOD that the judge and jury will be fair. That is the Whole reason Why we have an Impartial judge and jury system. ( Or at least they try to ) __________________ Submitted with respect to all

05-29-2003, 01:30 PM	#8
dhermesc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: East Central Kansas Posts: 2,169	Just a kid with a knife randomly stabbing people. Forget the rope, just warm up a long bull whip. Tie him to a flag pole (if this school has one) and give him twenty lashes in front of all the students. The example will go a lot further to deter further ASSAULTS by him of his buddies. If he wants counceling he can go cry to mama, I just want my kid to come home with the no wounds. __________________ Liberty is for those that claim it. Last edited by dhermesc; 05-29-2003 at 01:32 PM.

05-29-2003, 02:49 PM	#9
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 5,041	post number 8 sounds good lets get back too the old days .teach these kids some respect.and how it feels to hurt others .kis these days have to many peopl protecting them like the schools child welfair. if i was to whip my kid and he go back and tell the teacher i beat him then they would send people to my house for no reason.spare the whip spoil the child ,huh ! some kids need an attitude adjustment sometimes .

05-29-2003, 02:51 PM	#10
Klaus Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cypress, Texas Posts: 2,382	Get out the electrodes. And no Dennis, punishing someone for violent crime is NOT the same as knifing innocent passers by. It is people who insist on equating punishment with the violent crime that detroyed most of the deterrant value of the penal system. If criminals actually thought they would get physically punished or killed, the prisons would not be overcrowded and releasing offenders way before their sentenced times. __________________ "Gee, Wally, Eddie Haskel's mom puts out!"

05-29-2003, 02:53 PM	#11
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 5,041	but this kid needs to be locked up .i forgot to add that to my other post. throw the key away just think if he had a gun .it could have been another columbine.

05-29-2003, 04:00 PM	#12
dhermesc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: East Central Kansas Posts: 2,169	The public whipping goes back to when I was in public school (sans the bull whip) way back in 1986. During lunch the offender would bend over and grab his ankles and the principal or gym teacher would administer "a bust" or two, or three, or four. Kind of hard to walk around acting tough when you just got humiliated in front of the entire school. Usually the entire lunch room would erupt in cheers and jeers as the student received their punishment. In this case a knife attack deserves a little harsher sentence, similar to what my father handed out on a regular basis. __________________ Liberty is for those that claim it.

05-29-2003, 04:55 PM	#13
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 14,293 Blog Entries: 4	From someone experienced in student behavior... Some of the solutions I've read above, if they were serious about these penalties, remind me of what I've read about people being merely accused of the simpliest of crimes in Afghanistan, Iraq and a few other third world countries. Hopefully we're a more advanced civilization than that! However, sometimes I wonder just how civilized we really are. I have to concur with Oneastrix's implication in that if more parents would get involved with their kids educational process throughout their school years (not just their last 2-3 yrs of school and when they face suspension for the first time) that the chances of kids getting into serious troubles would be reduced considerably. I wonder just how involved the members of g&g who posted above were with their kids educational process. Hopefully, to a degree that they're wondering when they can back off a little.(ha) Those parantal efforts are more than likely going to pay off through their kids behavioral tendancies, especially when the kids are away from home. No electrodes, leather whips, or similar tactics are required to motivate students from K-12. I watched a "horse show" on TV a couple of days ago about how to train horses. The point being that the horse should want to please his master if he is trained right. Without getting into "horse training" any further I simply want to say that kids have some of that same need for psychology. If they "want" to behave to please their "master"s, whomever that may be (parents, teachers, coaches, etc) and they become self-motivated, there's considerably more chance that they will never have their mail forwarded to the state pen or local jail. Ox:nod: __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

05-29-2003, 08:19 PM	#14
Mon Bathan Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Philippines Posts: 255	It all boils down to influence. Influence of society in general. Everything bad contributes to the growth and proliferation of bad doings. Even how strong a family bond to their kids is society has more contributory factors to the ill-effects of younsters growth. Commercials, songs, tv programs (like the jack-*** post), clubs, ads, internet and communication avenues, etc, etc. These are all influences that now directs and guides the youth today. It's a long shot deal to battle this out as society slowly submits to these interventions and not much corrective actions have been done to curb this. It will take a strong political will among society to whip all this influences to a low or to a permanent goodbye. If untouched these misdoings or serious misbehaviors will just keep on going and as it moves it will go to new heights of terror and more ill-results. Haaay, naku!! Mon

05-29-2003, 09:08 PM	#15
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 5,041	i have a great deal of interest in my sons education. my youngest son is in the 2nd grade and just got sent home for the 4th time. the prinipal told me he has good enough grades to pass the year and they won't count him absent for the next two weeks if i keep him home .he has that ADHD crap we took him to a dr but they told us we have to take him to a shrink. $500. dollar's that i don't have but i will have to get it takin care of before next year.he is a smart kid and he know's it but he just can't control himself and the teacher and the principal see's it also. they told us they hate to keep fussing him at school when they know it is not his fault.and it's not (anything we done wrong raising him) it's just a condition he has i had it i was a kid and i know what he is going through . so you can't go and blame everything a kid does wrong on the parents.i didn't raise my kid to do this he just does it .so it kinda ticks me off when peopl say it's all in the way a kid is being raised (to me that's a bunch of bull).

05-29-2003, 10:13 PM	#16
whirlwind Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: oklahoma Posts: 3,776	yeah! ...what dennis said!...kill em all! lol:assult: seriously, the differance is normal people dont randomly kill/assault innocent people,this freak did so screw him! and i whole heartedly agree with 1* !!!! it takes parents to guide children! if this freak was not a ward of the state he dang sure didnt have parents that were involved with his life away from the dinner table! but people say "he is a victim of society" bull sheet! he is a victim of his parents and now he is a burden to society! __________________ De oppresso liber !

05-29-2003, 11:34 PM	#17
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,052	I agree with mon bathan, when I was in high school, we are taking middle 60,s, i brought a few rifles to school to show off for my friends, we would ewe and awe in the parking lot, debating if it will drop a deer, fast, hell the princible, looked at one I had out in lunch break, just told me good hunting, we would never ever ever think about violence, I dont know whats wrong with some of these kids, If my kid used deadly violence in school I would take em out, I brought them into this world and I will take them out, my dad was dam strict, if i screwed up hed get that belt out and teach me a lesson, today thats child abuse,If I did ok he would buy me ice cream, and maybe a new 30-30 I turned out ok, so did my daughter, because I was strict but loving

05-29-2003, 11:51 PM	#18
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 5,041	i agree with you 7mmag6 that's the way i was raised and that's the way i rais my kids.but one of them has this problemhe has the kindest heart and the smartest brain but he does not want to listen he can't stay in one spot for a minute .his attention span is null and void most of the time .but i am disabled and medicare don't pay for his treatment so i am stuck .

05-30-2003, 04:12 AM	#19
alan c. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pasadena,Tejas - also known as Texas Posts: 3,769 Blog Entries: 3	Gee Dennis you didn't have to take my comment so literally. __________________ God Bless. From Tejas -- formerly known as Texas. Last edited by alan c.; 05-30-2003 at 04:17 AM.