[chesterwin]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Powderman

And you know this from what experience? How many times have you drawn up an affidavit for a search warrant? How many times have you stood before a judge and raised your right hand to swear that the evidence you articulated was true--knowing so that if it were NOT true, you just committed perjury--a felony that would cost you your job, your livelihood, and put you in jail? Please articulate your experience. If the warrant is true and complete to the best of the officer's knowledge, if the address is correct, if the law enforcement presence knocks and announces, enters and finds soeone pointing an AR15 at them, what in Heaven's name do youexpect to happen? Someone gets an ice cream cone? Any argument that this guy might have lodged went right out the window when he pointed a gun at the cops.

I agree with all but the last comment... the trained combat veteran was apparently attempting to protect his family. He never fired a shot but was riddled with bullets. Enough is Enough. US Citizens and Veterans are not the Enemy!

[chesterwin]

If this is a behavior that LEOs around the country condone. A division you will encourage...

[rockman7]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Ten Man

The main point everyone seems to be missing is that the SWAT team acts on orders separate from the investigating agents. As TACAV stated, they are going on "good faith" that the orders are based on a Court order. This gives the SWAT team a "no responsibility" position to do what they do, as longs as they follow the "rules of engagement" they have been trained in. If the investigation was flimsy, and the Court order was based, "in good faith" on the flimsy investigation, the end result could be the death of innocent individuals without due process. The main thing that is "wrong" with this whole scenario is the concept of sending SWAT into a residential home, in the first place, to serve a Court order. Special Weapons And Tactics used to be an extreme response to very unusual circumstances. Now, it has become common, ordinary, everyday police procedure. This was not a "crack house" or "meth lab" or barricaded hostage situation. This was a family home, with no prior record of any criminal behavior by any of the occupants! IF warrants are going to be served by militaristic troops, dressed in full battle gear, with automatic weapons, for simple residential seizure purposes, this scene WILL become commonplace. The frequency of this has jumped incredibly in the last couple years. It is a VERY disturbing trend, no matter how "legal" it is.

sorry ten man.... i do not buy the "no responsibility" crap at all......you take a life you'd better be **** sure if its somethin you can stand infront of a almighty God and say " i'm not guilty". kill someone in time of war....unless your a nazi following unethical orders, you have a "get out of jail free card" ( jesus admired roman solders faith). you go in a guys house because of false, wrong ,ect info.....blow the guy away because he "pointed " a gun at you and ....well..... i aint God.....maybe its something you should think about before you wanna make a livelyhood based on someone, other than yourselves discisions.we are all "legally" responsible for our peronal reactions no matter if a government tells us its ok or not(paperwork be d*mn).

[rockman7]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Powderman

Nice, fella. Real nice. So, marines can't possibly be bad guys, right?

powderdude...i just worked a 70 hour week . i await yer respone with "debaited " breath(no one died but law enforcement tried stop me and my employees from doin so to stop or curtail looting)

^

[Martin Rage]

Quote:       Originally Posted by SUBMOA

My question is when swat is dispatched in full body armor, with massive amounts of firepower being cocked + ready to rock , why isnt a ems ambulance on stand by a half block away so imediate life saving procedures could be attempted should good guy or bad guy whomever be injured their life at least a attempt be made to be saved ? This wasnt done no ? I question who applied for the warrant and on what grounds . Likely the issuing judge wasnt given a truth full discription of the goings on at this residence and had little knowledge of what was going on. Yea I know the guy had know hope of being saved with 60 rnds pumped in him but if some restraint was made to limit the shooting after the threat .

Oh the Ambulance arrived 2 minutes after the shooting, the swat team denied the medics entry to render aid for 1 hours 15 minutes until them sent them away stating the suspect had passed away.

[Huey Rider]

First off, I'm reserving judgement until there are more facts in. I think when all is said and done there is going to be blame shared by all.

I've a thought to throw into the mix however. If law enforcement believed that the Marines house was the headquarters of this drug ring and they suspected alot of firearms and resistance, as stated in one of the articles, why didn't they toss in a couple of flash-bang grenades after breaching the door? This would be a defensive as well as an offensive tactic, presenting the possibility of saving lives on both sides.

[Martin Rage]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TACAV

The siren blasts were not from some guy "nudging it with his knee accidentally" but was turned on twice. You can see the police prior to entering stand outside and you can hear them yelling POLICE SEARCH WARRANT POLICE SEARCH WARRANT several times before entering. Its hard to hear from inside the closed up swat truck and the little helmet cam but turn up your speakers and you can clearly hear them shouting it non the less.

It sounds to me more like the yells of police search warrant and the apparent bang of another door being breached were from one of the other 2 houses being raided at the same time. You can CLEARLY hear the 4 knocks the swat officer does on the door at :25. If you can hear the knocks that loud and clearly yelling from that distance should be much much louder then the Initial yelling. Also kind of a side note but that is the sloppiest stack and enter I have ever seen.

[Martin Rage]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Huey Rider

First off, I'm reserving judgement until there are more facts in. I think when all is said and done there is going to be blame shared by all. I've a thought to throw into the mix however. If law enforcement believed that the Marines house was the headquarters of this drug ring and they suspected alot of firearms and resistance, as stated in one of the articles, why didn't they toss in a couple of flash-bang grenades after breaching the door? This would be a defensive as well as an offensive tactic, presenting the possibility of saving lives on both sides.

Also if they were so worried why did they do such a lazy breach and entry. It looked terribly sloppy like they were just doing another boring search.

[TACAV]

Quote:       Originally Posted by nostraboys

You previously stated that you will back the officers if the investigation favors the police.

Yes. I also said that if evidence comes out that things were done wrong then they need to be held accountable.

Quote:       Originally Posted by nostraboys

I say no matter what way the pendulum swings you will favor the police. I have studied police behavior for some time now. All and I mean all police officers live by their own code of ethics.

If you want to question my code of ethics that is your prerogative. As I have never met anyone here personally you can only judge me by what I post here just as I can only surmise what any other G&G member is like by what they post. Apparently it cant be too bad though as I have over a 160 "likes" and positive PM's from other members in here and several friends. I live by integrity and the old fashioned "golden rule".

You can ask any long posting member here that I probably take the gold medal for long winded posts. Not because I like to hear myself type but because I try to explain the reasoning behind my opinions rather than just shout them out. I also go to great lengths to explain the fine details in both law and procedure on many subjects that come out as I have the training, knowledge, and experience to do so.

Quote:       Originally Posted by nostraboys

Many researchers have a term for this unethical behavior; it is commonly referred to as a police subculture.

I think your confusing "subculture" with "Corruption"

Quote:       Originally Posted by nostraboys

Most officers suffer from cynicism.

True

Quote:       Originally Posted by nostraboys

They instruct officers at the training academy to back their fellow officers even when they are wrong.

Absolutely false. They teach and drill into you that integrity is everything and that once you lose it you have nothing.

Quote:       Originally Posted by nostraboys

Some terms the police utilize to protect fellow officers are; don't give up on another officer If you are caught of base don't implicate another officer Don't tell anyone else more than they have to know

Dont give up on an other officer is in regards to back up on a call and officer safety not covering their ass for their F ups. I don't know anyone who is willing to risk their career and livelihood for some other cops stupidity. If anything they are shunned, people dont want to work with them, and often times when it comes down too it, they get hung out to dry by the admin and you wont hear anyone else coming to their rescue.

Quote:       Originally Posted by nostraboys

This police subculture is a another term from abusing police power.

The police subculture refers to the tight bond between fellow cops who work together each and every day, to keep each other safe, and who's hands their can trust their lives with out on the street. Much the same as fire fighters, or soldiers. It has nothing to do with police power.

Quote:       Originally Posted by nostraboys

Police have lived by the notion they are above the law and have no oversight. I understand why you are protecting your fellow brothers.

No, we are citizens just like anyone else. We all took an oath to uphold the constitution as well which I and the overwhelming majority of my fellow officers take seriously. And in todays day and age of cameras and cellphones and in car GPS, in car cameras, helmet cams, TASER cams, citizen oversight committees, etc there is today more oversight than ever.

Quote:       Originally Posted by nostraboys

Let me remind you of Detroit Michigan. Remember the 9 year old shot and killed by a swat officer? All officers on scene and all supervisors said it was provoked by the grandmother fighting with the officer. This was a blatant lie. A camera crew happened to be there that day and filmed the MURDER of that girl by a trigger happy swat officer. He was kneeling on the porch shooting blindly into the house unprovoked.

No i have not heard that incident but Ill take your word on it. I say screw those cops and everyone that tried to cover it up. They are a stain on the badge of every cop that goes out there every day with good intent and will.

Quote:       Originally Posted by nostraboys

The officers may have been correct in this case; however, police officers overstep their boundaries on a daily basis and they need proper oversight as well as proper training on all levels.

Probably more so in some places than others. I completely agree with you that the police need proper oversight and training on all levels.
Every state in the US has minimal training requirements to even become a cop and they also have further training standards and yearly amounts of subsequent training that needs to be done to keep certification.
Some departments do the bare minimum due to funding. Others do more.

My department does more. I have also used my own personal vacation time and money to go to additional training on my own time.

Quote:       Originally Posted by rockman7

tacav....my question to you is..."if the government drums up laws to remove any and all weapons from law abiding citizens(thus violating our second amendment rights)which would still be "lawful" according to your statements because they would have the needed paperwork, would you do so and come away with a clean conscience"???

A valid question. I have stated several times in previous threads that I would not support such an action or law. I am and was a fellow US citizen first before I ever became a cop. And I love my Constitutional Rights just as much as anyone else here does.

If I was told to go collect guns I would be suspended shortly there after when I told whoever that they would have to find someone else to go do it.

When you speak of "having the needed paperwork" I am referring to a Judge signed court order for a search and seizure warrant. Not a new law to seize and confiscate all guns. Big difference. If the day comes and they want me to go around confiscating everyones guns. well my answer is this.

As i stated before, I took the oath to defend and uphold the Constitution. I would not think that such a law would be Constitutional.

Quote:       Originally Posted by rockman7

also...i thought the very idea of the second amendment was to keep government( fyi...police are government) from become a tyanny(sp)....

I thought so too.

Quote:       Originally Posted by rockman7

i appreciate your honesty and the fact that i agree the police did do things that might have made the marine aware that they were cops but then...tell me again...how many times have bad guys potrayed themselves as police to gain entry?

That is why they turned on the lights, parked the police truck right out front in plain view, and tooted the siren and shouted POLICE! several times.

Quote:       Originally Posted by rockman7

what i'm hearing from you is "never defend your home unless you know for certain its only so and so". please tell me you do not think a leo can enter a home and do as he wishes?can one come into my home and order me around at his whim?

No I do not think an LEO can just come inside and do as he wishes.
That is why our forefathers made the 4th amendment. So that they have to present evidence and get a warrant first. And once inside, they can only act in accordance with the provisions of the warrant. Just because you get access with a warrant does not mean you have a free for all.

Quote:       Originally Posted by rockman7

i point out not only history or tyrrants in general but of the shootings...one of which happened here where the cops went to jail).....but a home owner died.....get that....she's DEAD!!! bad cops in jail cannot replace this life...unless you know something i don't???

Nope I agree with you.

Quote:       Originally Posted by rockman7

lastly sir... i feel you are a good leo....but all sides( lawenforcement included) should not defend anyone(especially thier brothers) until all is put forth.

Well thank you.

As to the defending part. In my previous posts I have given technical background information and information on procedure. You are correct that there is a lot that no one, not you, or I know.

There is no information that the police did anything wrong procedurally that lead up to this shooting. Which again let me say I feel is tragic.
They did an investigation, they presented evidence to a judge, they got a warrant, they got the correct house, they announced their presence and purpose and made entry. And a man died.

As I stated before so far from what is presented in various articles, nothing that was done by the police was out of procedure etc.

If during the subsequent investigation they find out that any part of that process was tainted, wrong, falsified, negligent etc, then let the heads roll and people need to be held accountable.

I know that many here are upset by the facts that
-The man was a Marine
- Had no previous record
-Nothing was found during the warrant
-The house didnt look like your typical crack house
- The masked ninja police are invading US citizens homes.
- 60 rounds were fired.

I can fully appreciate and understand everyone's strong feelings. From experience i can tell you that
-former Marines with families can be involved in crime.
-People with no previous record can be just as involved in said crime
-Warrants can be served on Totally guilty as sin people and no contraband might be in the house at the time the warrant is served.
-Often times houses involved in the drug trade are nestled right in upper middle class neighborhoods hiding in plain sight.
- The overwhelming amount of people in jail in the US are US citizens.
- A gun fight is not clean or pretty, and when you add in several people all engaging a threat at the same time with people shouting and moving with rapid fire guns, a lot of rounds will be fired regardless with a lot of misses. Especially when the person they are shooting at is halfway down a hallway and partially behind a door. Things are never as clean cut as in the movies.

I don't make those points because I think generally the police are never wrong etc. I make those points from personal experiences and observation.

I could post a whole thread on stupid ch_t cops do. Crap Ive been wrong on things before myself. I am not perfect and I will never maintain that I am. I can only learn from my own mess ups, face the consequences and don't make the same mistake again.

There is a whole lot of things we dont know here that could very well clear this up one way or another.

If the cops were in the right they, have my support as well as the family of the man killed. If the cops were in the wrong then they better be prepared for whats coming to them and they will have to face their consequences.

There seems to be this over lining method of thought that the police are all for covering for each other no matter what and that we are never wrong and above the law etc.

My experiences would tell the complete opposite. I can guarantee you several things.

-Yes there are some utter incompetent asshole douche cops out there. And probably a lot too.
- There are a lot more who are not and take this job very seriously.
- In the lawsuit happy world that we live in, police and police admin today are more than ever being cognizant of CYA. Not through lying and cover ups but by training, implementing policies, rules, regulations, etc etc etc. (How many people's employers here put tons of restrictions on what you can post in your free time at home on Facebook for example?)

Sometimes this gets to the point of ridiculousness. An example? I have seen cases where officers have NOT acted to defend themselves even when they were being personally assaulted etc.

Dude that guy wasn't trying to get away from you, he was trying to knock your ass out! What where you waiting for a written invitation to defend yourself? What took so long for you to fight back?

"Well I didnt want to TASER him I didnt want to get sued"

"Are you F-ing serious? You would have been totally justified in doing that, let alone hitting him with your baton."

-As a member of several law enforcement forums, topics like these often come up and get posted. I belong to one law enforcement news site that automatically emails me an alert when ever some hot button incident occurs. This could be an LEO killed in the line of duty or it could be some dumbass failure LEO who got caught or arrested for doing something stupid and illegal.

The comments posted are always the same.

If you are a cop and you break the law, you give everyone else in the law enforcement community a black eye and your a POS. You violated the public's trust and perhaps more importantly to some, you violated the trust of your fellow LEOs and the "evil" law enforcement subculture (nostraboys )

Have fun getting raped in jail ch_t brick.

If there is ONE thing that good cops hate more than anything else, its bad ones.

btw, a huge number of LEOs are former military veterans themselves.
I hope I answered all of your questions.

[chesterwin]

This Wiki link has a lot of articles on the incident under discussion. They are very informative as to what is currently publicly known.
Jose Guerena shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

One interesting fact that I hadn't seen come up is that the wife lost 2 relatives in an unsolved home invasion recently. hmmm

[SUBMOA]

Its my belief that this is what the framers of the constitution had in mind of protecting and guarding against. Yes the warrant gives you a right to enter but in my mind untill every person in the house knows what is going on beyond a shadow of a doubt it is null and void . yelling police, search warrant, blurping on a siren for a second and busting down someones door isnt proper in all but the most extreme circumstances. Something about this tragedy stinks bad.

[Deersniper]

Here's some more on the memorial. This is bad PR for the Swat teams. http://www.alt-market.com/articles/1...marine-veteran
They basically killed one of their own. a fellow veteran. This is bad JuJu.
This your wake up call veterans. I hope his death, like Scott Tillman's, gets you frosty again.
The country you bravely fought for has become a police state, just like the countries you went and fought. They sent you all over the world to get killed while they destroyed our Republic here.
The instant you make it back to America you are put on a terrorist list. It's not that you did any wrong.
It's because you know how they do business, and would fight to keep that from happening here.
My sincere heartfelt thanks goes out to all who serve, but especially the ones who HONOR their Oaths.

[TACAV]

More updated information on the case in general from a local paper where this happened.

These two articles have some new information regarding why the police where there, what they found, and what happened during the shooting.
I take them with a grain of salt as with any news report.

May 19th
Attorney: Tucson man killed by SWAT linked to home invasion case

May 27th
Complex drug probe triggered SWAT raid

I am interested to know what the other items were that were taken in the sealed warrant. Sure sounds like a grade A cluster though.

[chesterwin]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TACAV

More updated information on the case in general from a local paper where this happened. These two articles have some new information regarding why the police where there, what they found, and what happened during the shooting. I take them with a grain of salt as with any news report. May 19th Attorney: Tucson man killed by SWAT linked to home invasion case May 27th Complex drug probe triggered SWAT raid I am interested to know what the other items were that were taken in the sealed warrant. Sure sounds like a grade A cluster though.

TACAV. That last link kept disappearing before I could read it so I went to the papers website and found these audio and video links. It appears all 4 raids were family related. This is getting interesting... 2 of the wifes family members were killed in an unsolved home invasion not too long ago...
http://azstarnet.com/

[SUBMOA]

I thought it interesting that they bust open the door . shoot home owner dead. then send in a robot to clear the house.

[TACAV]

Quote:       Originally Posted by SUBMOA

I thought it interesting that they bust open the door . shoot home owner dead. then send in a robot to clear the house.

All the robot did was give a rudimentary set of eyes to scout ahead after the forward initiative of the primary entry was lost.

A robot is no substitute for a human being. It cannot look and move everywhere that a person can. And it cannot effectively or quickly take and hold ground like a human entry team can.

The entry team breached the door and as can be seen in the video did not get inside the house more than a couple feet if at all before the threat was identified and the shooting occurred.

A SWAT entry like this is not about running through the house like a bunch of commandos all willy nilly like on TV.

They methodically advance up to the point of any high threat engagements. If they do not encounter any they can quickly move through the entire house and clear it in a thorough manner in a short amount of time.

If and when you do encounter a high level threat or even have to engage it, or you cannot move through it (like the long hallway in Guarena's house), you stop where you are and hold what and where you have already cleared behind you.

For example If I am doing a building search with a partner (as in no swat team) My partner and I would methodically and thoroughly start at an entry point, and then move room by room, hall by hall through the structure until we either clear the building and find no one, or we find someone like a burglar inside.

If we encountered a burglar in a room we do not advance farther into uncleared unexplored territory as we do not know who else if anyone is also hiding back there. You move back to the nearest cleared safe space and go from there getting the suspect to come to you. Once he is secured you can then move on and advance and clear further in.

With a SWAT raid like this, as the shooting happened almost immediately upon breaching the door the only cleared area the entry team had was right back outside in the front lawn. You can see this in the video.

Their forward progress and initiative was stopped. Since they had not been inside the house they did not know who or what other potential threats were inside now that they had just encountered one. Hence at that time they slowed the pace down and sent a robot in to do a rudimentary scan first for any other obvious threats. After that they would still have to make entry in with people and do a thorough search regardless.

Again, Robots cannot go and look everywhere a person can, and depending on what model you have, some might not be able to even open doors etc.

You cannot send the robot in first because the reason the swat team is there is to quickly clear and secure the house and any people inside. The robot can do none of that let alone quickly. The vast majority of SWAT entries are successful because "it is over before it begins" for the suspects inside. By the time they realize what is happening the swat team has already moved in and is standing over them while they are saying "What the hell?" Sending a robot in first would end up in a lot of barricaded suspects.

Some of the Pluses and minuses of Knock and Announce Warrant are:
-It is deemed less intrusive to the home owner as the police have to give them a period of time to come answer the door
-It gives the police more time to ID themselves
-It also gives people inside time to arm themselves

While No Knock Warrants are much harder to get it could be argued that in this case had the police gotten a No Knock warrant they could have just pulled up on scene, breached the door, entered, and they would have caught Guerena still in bed half asleep, with his AR15 still in the closet. And hence he would still be alive.

Instead they had to pull up shout several times that it was the Police, wait a while, and then make entry while Guerena woke up, got out of bed, went to his closet, got his AR15, told his family members to move out of the way and then take up a defensive position aiming down the hallway just in time for the police to make entry.

[chesterwin]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TACAV

All the robot did was give a rudimentary set of eyes to scout ahead after the forward initiative of the primary entry was lost. A robot is no substitute for a human being. It cannot look and move everywhere that a person can. And it cannot effectively or quickly take and hold ground like a human entry team can. The entry team breached the door and as can be seen in the video did not get inside the house more than a couple feet if at all before the threat was identified and the shooting occurred. A SWAT entry like this is not about running through the house like a bunch of commandos all willy nilly like on TV. They methodically advance up to the point of any high threat engagements. If they do not encounter any they can quickly move through the entire house and clear it in a thorough manner in a short amount of time. If and when you do encounter a high level threat or even have to engage it, or you cannot move through it (like the long hallway in Guarena's house), you stop where you are and hold what and where you have already cleared behind you. For example If I am doing a building search with a partner (as in no swat team) My partner and I would methodically and thoroughly start at an entry point, and then move room by room, hall by hall through the structure until we either clear the building and find no one, or we find someone like a burglar inside. If we encountered a burglar in a room we do not advance farther into uncleared unexplored territory as we do not know who else if anyone is also hiding back there. You move back to the nearest cleared safe space and go from there getting the suspect to come to you. Once he is secured you can then move on and advance and clear further in. With a SWAT raid like this, as the shooting happened almost immediately upon breaching the door the only cleared area the entry team had was right back outside in the front lawn. You can see this in the video. Their forward progress and initiative was stopped. Since they had not been inside the house they did not know who or what other potential threats were inside now that they had just encountered one. Hence at that time they slowed the pace down and sent a robot in to do a rudimentary scan first for any other obvious threats. After that they would still have to make entry in with people and do a thorough search regardless. Again, Robots cannot go and look everywhere a person can, and depending on what model you have, some might not be able to even open doors etc. You cannot send the robot in first because the reason the swat team is there is to quickly clear and secure the house and any people inside. The robot can do none of that let alone quickly. The vast majority of SWAT entries are successful because "it is over before it begins" for the suspects inside. By the time they realize what is happening the swat team has already moved in and is standing over them while they are saying "What the hell?" Sending a robot in first would end up in a lot of barricaded suspects. Some of the Pluses and minuses of Knock and Announce Warrant are: -It is deemed less intrusive to the home owner as the police have to give them a period of time to come answer the door -It gives the police more time to ID themselves -It also gives people time to arm themselves While No Knock Warrants are much harder to get it could be argued that in this case had the police gotten a No Knock warrant they could have just pulled up on scene, breached the door, entered, and they would have caught Guerena still in bed half asleep, with his AR15 still in the closet. And hence he would still be alive.

Some of the latest material I've read suggests he had an AK instead of an AR.

The element of this event that has my focus at the moment is the 2 family members that were recently killed in a home invasion that remains unsolved. It seems a link will be determined at some point to that event.

Maybe these 4 warrants were issued in relation to that event? I'm finding this very interesting to follow as details unfold.

[Rambo]

Quote:       Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

It is also too bad that booby trapping your home is illegal.

In most states, booby trapping your primary residence is legal. You can't booby trap your garage per se or a lake home but the place where you reside in on a daily basis is fair game. Just don't come home drunk.
A friend of mine was a VietNam vet and boobytrapped his home. When he came home drunk, he would sleep in his van because he couldn't disarm the boobytraps. Funny huh?
Last year he died in a fire while sleeping in his van. Cigarette maybe. Anyway, the police and fire dept came but no one went into his house until daylight and a bomb squad was used to disarm the boobytraps.
Have at it.

[Rambo]

Quote:       Originally Posted by chesterwin

I agree with all but the last comment... the trained combat veteran was apparently attempting to protect his family. He never fired a shot but was riddled with bullets. Enough is Enough. US Citizens and Veterans are not the Enemy!

A trained combat veteran identifies his target quickly and then makes the call to shoot or not. He should have identified these as police officers and not some crip/blood/ms-13 punks coming through his door or even pulling up in front of his house in broad daylight. If he was a trained combat veteran, then he did identify these as police officers and decided it was time to engage and die. Suicide by cop.

[chesterwin]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Rambo

A trained combat veteran identifies his target quickly and then makes the call to shoot or not. He should have identified these as police officers and not some crip/blood/ms-13 punks coming through his door or even pulling up in front of his house in broad daylight. If he was a trained combat veteran, then he did identify these as police officers and decided it was time to engage and die. Suicide by cop.

As the articles say, the wife awakened him from a deep sleep. From the time of police arrival til the door was breeched and he was shot, didn't give him much time to smell the coffee...