Violence seems to feed on itself. From my experience in schools, it seems that fighting among the kids gets to be a mentality or attitude thing. If you have a couple of fights in a relatively short time, it becomes rampant - the kids decide that it's the only way to solve problems, and besides that it's exciting see. Therefore everyone decides to fight about stuff - even ridiculous little things - instead of solving their problems in some other way. Girls are terrible about it. They take offense at what someone said that someone else told them about what a third or 4th or 5th party said that may have been able to be less than flattering about the original girl and the next thing you know you've got this huge drama thing going on. Mix this with a violence prone cultural segment and you will have problems.
When I was in the inner city schools during the late 60's and early 70's, it seemed that the violence came in waves, followed by periods of relative calm, then another fight or incident would start it again. I won't regale you with the stories, but let's just say the direction of the violence was proportional to the balance of the races. I saw white on black violence, but because the schools I was in were heavily populated by black kids, there was more black on white violence. Either way, it was never one on one, but a group finding an individual and thumping on him or her. In that way it was eerily similar to the flash/smash mob thing - sheer force of numbers and a few leaders to get things stirred up and you have an instant problem.
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In retail, most companies have a standing rule not to go after shoplifters or thieves. Unfortunately, you and I end up paying more to cover the losses. Something drastic needs to be done because these perps know what they can get away with. After watching some of these videos, I'm all for busting a cap on the perps and send a clear message that this dog don't hunt no more!
1. All the members of these flash mobs or "swarms" as the Vegas convenience store owner (and Gil Grissom of CSI referred to them due to their insect-like behavior in an episode called "Fannysmackin' " from 2006, long before these videos were made) called them are black;
2. All of the incidents take place in cities where it is difficult to impossible to own a firearm for personal protection.
Anyone besides me think these two facts are connected?
I would say you got it right, Cyrano. They know the cops can't catch them, and the clerk can't shoot them, so it's perfectly okay to take what doesn't belong to them. I have to add that it's also a failure of parental upbringing, that didn't teach them right from wrong. It's part of the inner city failure, and the left wing idea that parents can't use corporal punishment to reinforce the notion that it's wrong to steal from others. And the other problem is the fact that so many of these cities have refused to give their citizens the natural right to self defense. Those who remove our rights should be banned from serving in public positions!
Right now it would be a class A misdemeanor weapons charge and a murder charge. Current Wisconsin law does not allow for self defense. That is why this chit is happening!
Shoot and leave, hope that no one got your plate number.
Sad, but what else you going to do.
This exact same thing happened at the Iowa State Fair last year, blacks refering to it as "Beat Whitey Night". This year, the Iowa State Patrol and DMPD are increasing their numbers in anticipation of a repeat.
We can now say, "Hey, I went to the fights and a fair broke out!"
Violence seems to feed on itself. From my experience in schools, it seems that fighting among the kids gets to be a mentality or attitude thing. If you have a couple of fights in a relatively short time, it becomes rampant - the kids decide that it's the only way to solve problems, and besides that it's exciting see. Therefore everyone decides to fight about stuff - even ridiculous little things - instead of solving their problems in some other way. Girls are terrible about it. They take offense at what someone said that someone else told them about what a third or 4th or 5th party said that may have been able to be less than flattering about the original girl and the next thing you know you've got this huge drama thing going on. Mix this with a violence prone cultural segment and you will have problems.
When I was in the inner city schools during the late 60's and early 70's, it seemed that the violence came in waves, followed by periods of relative calm, then another fight or incident would start it again. I won't regale you with the stories, but let's just say the direction of the violence was proportional to the balance of the races. I saw white on black violence, but because the schools I was in were heavily populated by black kids, there was more black on white violence. Either way, it was never one on one, but a group finding an individual and thumping on him or her. In that way it was eerily similar to the flash/smash mob thing - sheer force of numbers and a few leaders to get things stirred up and you have an instant problem.
I hear ya Teach. I started junior high school the first year they started forced busing in my district. What that means is they took tough ghetto youths and shipped them to fairly affluent neighborhood schools. The thinking was that exposing the ghetto kids to a softer style would soften their edges. Quite the opposite happened. I learned REAL fast that I had to defend myself quickly and decisively. I learned to not take a punch and not return one. I also learned that there is no shame in running away. Learned also that just because a kid came up and punched me it was not always an act of violence and hate.....sometimes it was their way of seeing if you were OK to be friends with! Punch them back and stand there and next thing ya know you could be good friends. Took me a while to learn that one.
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I hear ya Teach. I started junior high school the first year they started forced busing in my district. What that means is they took tough ghetto youths and shipped them to fairly affluent neighborhood schools. The thinking was that exposing the ghetto kids to a softer style would soften their edges. Quite the opposite happened. I learned REAL fast that I had to defend myself quickly and decisively. I learned to not take a punch and not return one. I also learned that there is no shame in running away. Learned also that just because a kid came up and punched me it was not always an act of violence and hate.....sometimes it was their way of seeing if you were OK to be friends with! Punch them back and stand there and next thing ya know you could be good friends. Took me a while to learn that one.
Ain't that way any more...now its one guy punches you, and five more jump you while you're lookin at him.
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Ain't that way any more...now its one guy punches you, and five more jump you while you're lookin at him.
That's chichen-chit! This tells me that no battles will be fought fairly and there is no honor anymore. I say fight dirty! Survive any way you can and inflict as much damage as you can!
I posted a few pages back about 2 festivals that happened in Rochstser over the weekend. One was the Pueto Rican Festival, and the other was the Park Avenue festival. I want every one to guess which festival had the most arrests. Give up??? The PR Festival had 27 arrests, the Park Avenue Festival had 4.. End of story.
It occurs to me that the general public would probably balk at the use of facial recognition on a wide spread basis, unless of course its use were for a greater purpose... like "ending the madness".
I'm not a big believer in coincidence.
I posted a few pages back about 2 festivals that happened in Rochstser over the weekend. One was the Pueto Rican Festival, and the other was the Park Avenue festival. I want every one to guess which festival had the most arrests. Give up??? The PR Festival had 27 arrests, the Park Avenue Festival had 4.. End of story.
Maybe those Park Avenue festival types just don't know how to have fun???!? LOL
This is what makes me ashamed of my generation, if any of these so called "gangsters" show up at my door, me and 200 rounds of russian silvertip FMJ are planning to have a field day
Hell, even if I miss, I can deafen them until they hear a ringing for the rest of their life.
I grew up in the age of the fair fight, with nothing but hands, and may the best man win. Now days, if I have the least impression that a group has come to the shop to do me harm, I am prepared to do my best to win, with whatever is needed. There is one small problem, for many people, though. If you haven't been trained for it, been in it, and had to pull the trigger, there's a very good possibility that you won't be able to. This has been studied at length, and was a problem all the way up to Korea. During WW2, almost 90% of the rounds fired were unaimed, because the troops couldn't bring themselves to fire on other human beings. It was worse in the Civil War, when American was fighting American. Most of the fatalities were produced by a small minority of soldiers, or crew served weapons. In Vietnam, they had changed the training in a radical way, and had the percentage almost reversed, to 87% of the soldiers TRYING to hit the enemy. So, if you want to read about it, the names of the books are "On Combat", and "On Killing". I can't remember the author'sname,but he is a retired Army Colonel, and prominent doctor, and lives in Northeast Arkansas, where he still teaches. So it's better to be prepared, than to hope that you can do what's needed. You old combat vets know and understand just what I'm talking about, along with the LEOs who have been in gunfights.
Now that is a tough question, and a hard one to try to answer. We the people knew him, for what he was, before he was elected. But he won on the wave of folks expecting to get something for their votes, not because productive citizens overwhelmingly voted for him. You add in the folks who vote for the party, and the liberal folks who thought he would do their will, and there you go, we get an incompetent buffoon at the wheel of state, driving us all down the road to ruin. As I was told the other day, we each are now half a million in debt, and we didn't have any say about how we were put so deep into the sewer! I hope enough folks are paying attention to recent events, to vote intelligently enough to get the latest crew of fools out of the white house, and out of congress. I guess that would be about the last chance we have of coming out of this mess. Four more years will surely break the camel's back!
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