this is another example of the dangers of having para military police forces being used on our citizens. I can understand the need for highly trained units when going after KNOWN to be dangerouse criminals & terrorists but all too often they are deployed against petty crime SUSPECTS with deadly results. soon wew will be like most other 3rd world countries with soldiers standing around the corner with full auto weapons keeping the population subdued. Seig Heil!
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this is another example of the dangers of having para military police forces being used on our citizens.
Coincidentally, yesterday on my commute to work, I was listening to NY's commissioner being interviewed about one of their new peace keeping toys...ground-to-air missiles fully capable of taking down an airliner.
2 million doesnt sound like enough! This actually sounds like entrapment to me! The cop takes 7 months to get this guy up to betting 2k!?! Seriously?! A waste on so many levels....sigh.
So this tells me police in Virginia can kill anyone they want and only get a couple weeks off work for it. I imagine that soon that will be happening there. Oh this guy is a scum lets just kill him and get it over with.
A terrible example of a conniver and bully hiding behind a badge. To make it worse, the higher echelons of the PD abetted in this "policeman" getting away with murder.
I've been worried that we would see this kind of operation sooner or later, and here it is. When I lived in California, they sent a swat team into a home, to apprehend a "suspected" drug dealer. The result was the man's 11 year old son was killed by an "accidental" shotgun discharge, at extremely close range, AFTER he had been subdued by an officer. The shotgun was tested for defects, and none were found. Somehow, the officer was found innocent of negligent homocide. Something about "heat of the moment", and everyone was on an adrenalin rush, so it was excusable to end a young boy's life. How did we get to this point??
Any cop that looks the other way, or protects a "bad cop" is just another "bad cop". Seems to me that Fairfax County is full of "bad cops". Not leo bashing, unless your from Fairfax County.
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Coincidentally, yesterday on my commute to work, I was listening to NY's commissioner being interviewed about one of their new peace keeping toys...ground-to-air missiles fully capable of taking down an airliner.
No, it's not a surface-to-air missile, Jetgirl; the Post covered this on Page One. Kelly was talking about a Barrett M82 .50 caliber bolt action rifle the NYPD owns ... which normally is kept locked up in a safe somewhere. The NYPD will only admit to owning one, and says it is kept locked up unless there is a threat they have received from somewhere, or when Bobo the Clown comes to town. (There's a difference between a threat and Bobo coming to town? I don't see one!)
Personally, I think Commissioner Kelly needs a reality check. Even if you hit an airliner in the engine with the Barrett, it's NOT going to shoot the airplane down. I remember being shown a film in Naval Science class of a Sea Sparrow armed with an expanding watchpring type of warhead fired at a DB-17 -- a B-17 refitted as a target drone. The watchspring hit the wing between the No. 2 engine and the wing root -- a nearly perfect shot. Just one problem: the Flying Fortress shrugged it off and kept on flying!
Now I will grant you that your typical airliner may not be as sturdily built as was the Queen of the Bombers, which was expected to take flak, bullets and cannon shells and still keep flying. But unless Kelly has a secret stash of Phoenix missiles and has managed to rig up some kind of launcher for them, the NYPD is no better prepared to defend the Rotten Apple against another kamikaze airliner than it was on 9/11. He is blowing smoke big-time. One .50 caliber round from a Barrett, even presuming the gun was in the right place at the right time in the hands of the right shooter, is NOT going to take down an airliner!
Meanwhile locally, a SWAT team member was shot in the forearm by one of his fellow SWAT officers during a training exercise. The shooter somehow managed to bring a loaded 1911 - his backup gun - into the training exercise where all weapons are supposed to be empty and have a chamber flag to prove it.
The wounded officer was taken to Columbus for surgery to his arm while the shooter is on adminstrative leave. Unofficially, through the words of a student whose father is one of the snipers for the same department, the shooter will soon be retiring after losing a lot of the things he has worked for over the years - pretty much a big chunk of his pension is gone thanks to a moment or two of carelessness.
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No, it's not a surface-to-air missile, Jetgirl; the Post covered this on Page One. Kelly was talking about a Barrett M82 .50 caliber bolt action rifle the NYPD owns ... which normally is kept locked up in a safe somewhere. The NYPD will only admit to owning one, and says it is kept locked up unless there is a threat they have received from somewhere, or when Bobo the Clown comes to town. (There's a difference between a threat and Bobo coming to town? I don't see one!)
Personally, I think Commissioner Kelly needs a reality check. Even if you hit an airliner in the engine with the Barrett, it's NOT going to shoot the airplane down. I remember being shown a film in Naval Science class of a Sea Sparrow armed with an expanding watchpring type of warhead fired at a DB-17 -- a B-17 refitted as a target drone. The watchspring hit the wing between the No. 2 engine and the wing root -- a nearly perfect shot. Just one problem: the Flying Fortress shrugged it off and kept on flying!
Now I will grant you that your typical airliner may not be as sturdily built as was the Queen of the Bombers, which was expected to take flak, bullets and cannon shells and still keep flying. But unless Kelly has a secret stash of Phoenix missiles and has managed to rig up some kind of launcher for them, the NYPD is no better prepared to defend the Rotten Apple against another kamikaze airliner than it was on 9/11. He is blowing smoke big-time. One .50 caliber round from a Barrett, even presuming the gun was in the right place at the right time in the hands of the right shooter, is NOT going to take down an airliner!
Thanks for the clarification, and WOW...that guy was really stretching things!
I don't recall his answer verbatim, but I DO remember him saying they were fully capable of taking down an airliner, and that he didn't want to get into how. Also something like, "we have stuff you don't know about. And we aren't going to tell you, either." ...I'd be dang skippy ticked if that's where MY tax dollars were going...
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No, it's not a surface-to-air missile, Jetgirl; the Post covered this on Page One. Kelly was talking about a Barrett M82 .50 caliber bolt action rifle the NYPD owns ... which normally is kept locked up in a safe somewhere. The NYPD will only admit to owning one, and says it is kept locked up unless there is a threat they have received from somewhere, or when Bobo the Clown comes to town. (There's a difference between a threat and Bobo coming to town? I don't see one!)
Personally, I think Commissioner Kelly needs a reality check. Even if you hit an airliner in the engine with the Barrett, it's NOT going to shoot the airplane down. I remember being shown a film in Naval Science class of a Sea Sparrow armed with an expanding watchpring type of warhead fired at a DB-17 -- a B-17 refitted as a target drone. The watchspring hit the wing between the No. 2 engine and the wing root -- a nearly perfect shot. Just one problem: the Flying Fortress shrugged it off and kept on flying!
Now I will grant you that your typical airliner may not be as sturdily built as was the Queen of the Bombers, which was expected to take flak, bullets and cannon shells and still keep flying. But unless Kelly has a secret stash of Phoenix missiles and has managed to rig up some kind of launcher for them, the NYPD is no better prepared to defend the Rotten Apple against another kamikaze airliner than it was on 9/11. He is blowing smoke big-time. One .50 caliber round from a Barrett, even presuming the gun was in the right place at the right time in the hands of the right shooter, is NOT going to take down an airliner!
The idea that they could hit ANY PART of an airliner going in excess of 500mph with a bolt action rifle is LUDICROUS! WHAT has our nation come to?!
They need to go watch "shooter" again. He shot down a chopper, not a jet.
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No, it's not a surface-to-air missile, Jetgirl; the Post covered this on Page One. Kelly was talking about a Barrett M82 .50 caliber bolt action rifle the NYPD owns ... which normally is kept locked up in a safe somewhere. The NYPD will only admit to owning one, and says it is kept locked up unless there is a threat they have received from somewhere, or when Bobo the Clown comes to town. (There's a difference between a threat and Bobo coming to town? I don't see one!)
Personally, I think Commissioner Kelly needs a reality check. Even if you hit an airliner in the engine with the Barrett, it's NOT going to shoot the airplane down. I remember being shown a film in Naval Science class of a Sea Sparrow armed with an expanding watchpring type of warhead fired at a DB-17 -- a B-17 refitted as a target drone. The watchspring hit the wing between the No. 2 engine and the wing root -- a nearly perfect shot. Just one problem: the Flying Fortress shrugged it off and kept on flying!
Now I will grant you that your typical airliner may not be as sturdily built as was the Queen of the Bombers, which was expected to take flak, bullets and cannon shells and still keep flying. But unless Kelly has a secret stash of Phoenix missiles and has managed to rig up some kind of launcher for them, the NYPD is no better prepared to defend the Rotten Apple against another kamikaze airliner than it was on 9/11. He is blowing smoke big-time. One .50 caliber round from a Barrett, even presuming the gun was in the right place at the right time in the hands of the right shooter, is NOT going to take down an airliner!
On 60 Minutes he sure seemed to imply that they had larger hardware. I would have thought that even the Port Authority would have at least a 20mm. Do you think they rushed to sweep the truth under the rug?
The burning hulk of a jet airliner would do just as much damage whether it hits its target or not. As long as it crashes in downtown NY there isn't much room for error. Now if they had a patriot battery it would probably detonate the plane mid air causing lots of small pockets of damage but nothing 9/11 level. Although I though Posse Comitatus limited police departments from cool things like that.
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The original article makes me sick. Sounds like the era of the "brown shirts" has arrived.
As far as the NYPD shooting down a plane goes, it is a bunch of BS to try and make some of the public feel "safer". Any of the NY public with half a brain should know that there is nothing the NYPD could do that would actually make them safer from such a threat. The person who even mentioned using a .50cal Barrett to shoot down a plane should be fired. A marksman would have to shoot from a semi moving helicopter platform at a plane that is probably traveling more than 400 miles per hour. Anyone ever tried to shoot a moving target that fast from a moving platform? Not to mention the fact that you would have to be a considerable distance away from the airplane when you shoot at it so you don't risk getting your helicopter rammed by some crazy terrorists. As if that wasn't challenging enough, you would have to shoot out not one, but both of the engines. Most commercial airliners can still fly on one engine.
Ok, so lets assume that both engines have been shot out of the airplane and the plane is now falling like a brick over a heavily populated area. Great job. The shooter effectively killed everyone on that plane and anyone on the ground it hits. The "terrorists" just had to fly it to NY and the NYPD did the rest of the job for them!
The utter arrogance of those people up there astounds me. How stupid can they be?
I remember in Army training, during the VietNam war, we were being taught how to shoot at flying objects with our M16's, in hopes of bringing down a Mig or two. No harm in trying. Remember the A-6 Intruders? They came back after many missions with bullet holes in them from rifle shots and AAA and they still flew. Then again, they were designed like a tank.
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