... The campus police could have just carried them away individually if there was any kind of legal violation going on, which there wasn't. What if it was your daughter when that idiot stuck the spray in their face from 3 feet away when they were sitting there passively? Total stupidity/BS/brutality.
Or they could have just gotten up and left.
If they were my daughters the pepper spray would have been the least of their worries. 30 years ago instead of pepper spray it would have been night sticks upside the head.
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I'll venture to speculate that if they had been on the side or edge of the throughway, they would have simply been observed. There's a right way and wrong way to protest. Respect usually garners the same.
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And the words in the Bill of Rights read "peaceful assambly", of I remember correctly. People don't have the right to riot, or be a public nuisance. When the war in Iraq started it's second round, a bunch of far left agitators decided they were going to picket the recruiting offices in Modesto, California. The VFW found out, and we were there in front of the offices, with police protection when the agitators arrived. They attempted to bully us, and cursed us, and attempted to mingle with their antimilitary signs and slogans. The police politely but firmly escorted them across the street. They tried to hold their demonstration across from us, but the general public let them know that they weren't wanted in the city of Modesto. It seemed like every car that went by had something to say to them, after cheering us on in support of our military. You can assemble, and even protest, but you have to do it within the boundaries of the law. We got a permit, and they didn't. We were polite, and didn't curse, they used nothing but foul language to support their stand. We made the news, in support of our stand. The folks across the street fell apart and gave up. There's a right way and a wrong way, and you have to believe in what you are doing!
"the effects of pepper spray go away after 45 minutes" ... therefore it isn't brutal? Watch the above video of some DJ [Mancow] getting water boarded. The effect isn't long lasting, so therefore it isn't brutal?
note to leo's!! next time remember pepper spray is brutal . therefore you must physically take them into custody. if they resist place knee in small of back or neck and set down with all 250 lbs., apply cuffs, lift up by arms (hopefully their arms will only dislocate and not break)
if this sounds extremely sarcastic.....i'm not try'in hard enough
[QUOTE=rockman7;1499123]note to leo's!! next time remember pepper spray is brutal . therefore you must physically take them into custody. if they resist place knee in small of back or neck and set down with all 250 lbs.,...
The kids were on the quad of their own college in a peaceful demostration in the middle of the afternoon.. The college keystone kops felt threatened because the kids were sitting on the sidewalk [blocking nothing] with their arms interlocked....a classic non-violent position. There was NO resistance. The college chancellor/president said there was no need for violence by the keystone kops. The whole thing made the administration and campus "police" look like idiots.
Obviously there are 2 basic views of what took place. Right and wrong. Both interpretations are based on apparent personal viewpoints. Hence a question?
Where do YOU draw the line? What was right and what was wrong with what happened or caused what happened?
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Obviously there are 2 basic views of what took place. Right and wrong. Both interpretations are based on apparent personal viewpoints. Hence a question?
Where do YOU draw the line? What was right and what was wrong with what happened or caused what happened?
Not enough on that video to base a response. But I'll side with the LEO's until someone who was there can tell me what really happened.
Were you there in person!? Or do you expect us to just take YOUR word for it? I've observed "peaceful" demonstrations, and they aren't all that peaceful, with the demonstrators doing their best to goad the police into doing their job, so the poor peaceful folks can scream "brutality". I didn't observe, and remember the word "observe", this little rally, so I can't swear to anything. But I HAVE SEEN and OBSERVED other rallys that got ugly. Mr. Fisch sir,I'm asking you if YOU were there. I was late posting this, so I'm asking you why you are so adamant that the students were in the right, and the police in the wrong.
leo's were surrounded by students. on one video you can hear someone say "we're not gunna let you take them".
outnumbered .....personally i would side with the saftey of my peers and told the others around them to back up and then emptied the rest of the can on them.
officers were told to remove them. they "had thier arms interlocked....a classic nonviolent position"(also one that sez "we aint just gunna up and move).
from henceforth tazers shall be the first nonlethal means of compliance (if its my kids protesting instead of gettin a education on my dime zap the nitwit twice)
Were you there in person!? Or do you expect us to just take YOUR word for it? I've observed "peaceful" demonstrations, and they aren't all that peaceful, with the demonstrators doing their best to goad the police into doing their job, so the poor peaceful folks can scream "brutality". I didn't observe, and remember the word "observe", this little rally, so I can't swear to anything. But I HAVE SEEN and OBSERVED other rallys that got ugly. Mr. Fisch sir,I'm asking you if YOU were there. I was late posting this, so I'm asking you why you are so adamant that the students were in the right, and the police in the wrong.
The video that started this post was 45 seconds. I have seen longer [6-10 min] youtubes. [Easy to find if you care to find the facts] Some of the pepper sprayed students were cuffed and dragged away by their upper arms as Rockman had hoped. I believe American citizens have a right to peaceful, nonviolent protest without campus security, aka Keystone Kops [not highly trained LEOs], using chemical sprays, batons, air powered paintball guns, tasers, M1's [ala Kent State] or other violent means. Like I said before, I'm politically closer to the tea baggers than the OWS rabble. Those kids were within their rights.
I have a politically aware 25 yo daughter and politically aware 21 yo son. They are smart. We don't agree on much politically. Neither did my father and I on the Vietnam War. I'm 60 yo. But they have a right to their views without getting their asses kicked by police because they disagree with me.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Remember this one too?
Tea party members...less gov't, less regulation, uphold our 2nd amendment rights, and our first amendment rights!!!
I was referring to the liberal media insulting use of the term. Using that term to a Tea Party member's face may end up getting your nose rearranged for you.
Look it up.
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Remember this one? If, God forbid, Obama gets re-elected,YOU KNOW WITHOUT DOUBT he will be after our firearms. If peaceful 2nd Amendment protesters get pepper sprayed by LEO's, where will YOU stand?
I was referring to the liberal media insulting use of the term. Using that term to a Tea Party member's face may end up getting your nose rearranged for you.
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