Rebuild Iraq or Rebuild the USA?

[Doglips]

One last ?? should we rebuild Iraq (or other such country) or spend the $$ rebuilding THIS (USA) country???????

In my are schools, roads, (guess power plants) and other such things are crap.....maybe we should get the USA to invade the USA....seems like the only way to get $$

[tommy]

we broke already !!!

[Big Dog]

We could apply for UN aid, but we'd still end up paying the bill!
Far as I'm concerned, in a couple years we had better start seeing some low-priced Iraqi oil coming over here! We've already paid the down payment in blood&sweat.

[NRAJOE]

We should be seeing that low priced oil NOW! It keeps climbing...Ox and PAPA G are gonna go broke!

[Oxford]

Joe I've seriously been looking at a Moped to solve this gas economy problem. If everyone else would ride one of those things and Grandpapa G and I drove our gas guzzling Explorers there'd be no shortage of petrol.

What about all those trucks in your garage? How many hydrocarbons does it take to fill them up? :nod:

Regardless, what I hear on the news media is that the Iraq terrorists are blowing up fuel supplies and production equipment faster than anyone can siphon off fuel for their motorbikes and camels. Doubt if we'll see any of that liquid gold for a long time, if ever.:nod:

[Fred Vetter]

We won't see any of the money going over there,but Bushes boys will.
Look at the contracts that were passed out, and who they went to, all
Bush,and Chainey's old buddies.Did I hear right,we are spending a billion dollars a week in this sand box,and getting our men killed to boot.I bet there
are some old folks in this country [remember the ones that fought WW2
to keep America free] that could use some of that money.

[FEG]

From last Saturday until last night, my neighborhood was under a boil order, because the water mains in the area lost pressure. Last night, the same area had no electricity from @6:00 PM until @11:00 PM, which effectively meant we had no water, as well as no power (since we could not boil water).

I think that you can all guess my stance on this issue!!!

[tommy]

you know it's kinda funny but when we got attacked and they said we needed to do something about our home land security the federal goverment said there was no way that they could come up with the (millions that it would take to do what was nessasery) but here we are spending a (1 1/2 billion dollars a week a just on the war part and thats not to rebuild iraq .now it looks like it will cost around 600 billion .now you tell me the goverment couldn't find the money to to do something about the secuity of it's own people and protect it's own borders.but it found the money to go after some one who as to this day had nuthing that could hurt us.yet the man that did hit us is still running loose and our national secuirty is still crappy.i mean look our pilots are just now getting hand guns.and the airport security
well thats a joke.the federal goverment should take over that stuff.but thay said they couldn't because it was to costly.but you tell me what is more costly this war or another 9.11. because a
terrorist can just walk across our border if he wants too. how many already have and what have they carried in with them ????

when the people of america asked for more protection the goverment said it would cost to much. but when it came to iraqi freedom i guess the price really doesn't matter does it!!!!

[Rave]

Just another day of the S.O.S.!

[Lord Shrike]

Have any of you Isolationaist ever read a history book?! You must not have because if you had you would know that it is a failed idealogy. Everytime this nation has subcumb to it, it received a feild goal style kick to the nuts. If you wanna pull all the troops back home and ignore all the worlds problems and try and pretend that they don't effect us you got a massively painful lesson comin your way! The best defence is a strong offence plain and simple take the fight with the terroist to there backyard thats the middle east. Oh and the TSA isn't spending money on home land security? or the new federal air marshals. You all seem to have some pretty selective memories. Hey Vetter you send Howard Dean your lover letter yet lmao have fun at the next DNC party you through!

[tommy]

tale the fight to thier back yard that's the midd'e east .that's what you said right (Lord shrike) well they are walking up into our front yard the mexican border .what about putting some money on that defense project. and what about the person that put the mass grave in the heart of N.Y.C on 9.11 where is he what about putting some of the money to find him .or did you forget about the people digging those bodies out of that (mass grave out. you can fight all the battles you want accross the world but it only takes a few or realy one guy to walk across the border carrieing the right thing to do another 9.11.and remember suddam didn't put them people in the grave osama did .and for all we know he could have walked into the U.S.A and be collecting a check by now.and workin for a 7/11 just waiting for the right time .those black outs could have been some kind of test to see what is running off of what so that when they do hit a power plant they will know what will go down and then again they could have been moving something while we were trying to figure out what went wrong with the power. you never know?

[Lord Shrike]

Actually it might not have been a bad idea to let Patton of the leash. It could have saved us 40 years of unprecented Military spending in a peace time building ungodly aresenals. Not to mention it would have brought freedom to eastern Europe 40 years earlier. Ofcourse you guys only care about America so you wouldn't care anything for those people. You know its not like its a one or the other propsition. Either try to rule the world or hide from it. We need to use or influence where it is needed most and will have the greatest effect on both us and our tradeing partners and allies. I don't think you guys have any kind of appreciatetion for the incredible stability we bring much of the world. Or how much that stability benefits us.

[tommy]

stabillity!!! everywhere we go they are fighting . the main argument with the terrorist and us. is for us to get out of the east and leave them alone. what's so hard about that let them kill thier self if thats what they want to do .this country ain't even 300 year's old thier's is over a thousandthey have been fighting for that long do you think it will stop anytime soon to me it sounds like we are trying to impose our goverment on them.we sit hear and tell the isreali's to pull out of palestine but yet we stay in the other countries when they are telling us if we want peace all we have to do is leave so what is so hard .it's like tresspassing on someone's property if they tell you to get off of it and you keep going on it something is gonna happen right .the problem with the U.S.A. is we want every country to be just like us we want them to have a goverment just like our's we want them to treat thier people just like our's but when you get down to it doe's the U.S goverment realy take care of it's own people not realy how many people don't have food . how many don't have a job. how many don't have health ins. how many kids die by the hands of thier parents because of child abuse . seems to me that our way is not the perfect way just like thier way is not the perfect way to live .but who are we to tell them they have to change the way they live.now look 75 dead in iraq of a car bomb
they didn't have that in iraq before we came there.look what we brought there .the terrorist are crossing the border in that country everyday just to do these bombings why because we are there.but i bet it would stop if we left .but then it would look like we gave up if we did right!!

what's worth more to you you'er pride or more lives.iraqi and american both.

[Lord Shrike]

No tommy they didn't have as much terroism in Iraq before we came. What they did have was hundreds and thousands of people being tortured to death every week. With no end in sight. You are sadly misinformed if you think most Iraqi's want us to leave the vast majority want s to stay and our glad we came. It is the acts of a militant minority that are responsible for the terroism and most of them are form out of country. We have troops in 132 countries right now we are currently fighting in 2. So yes I think we bring more stability than violence. We are still looking for bin laden even though I think he is crispy critter so we haven't given up there. Saddam may have been alinged with alqauda after all there is growing evedence to support that. We went there becasue we didn't want a chemical or biological 9/11. The US government does a hell of alot more for its people than most countries do. 90% plus of us have jobs anyone who doesn't have food can get it from shelters, and what the hell does child abuse have to do with any of this do you have any idea whats allowable in regards to child abuse in most of the world! All you seem to be able to do is go on tirades about how terrible things are here well I am sorry I don't see that country. Maybey you should just leave if you think things are so bad here!

[tommy]

child abuse is the people that release the kids back to the parents and don't lollow up on them and let them fall throught the cracks and then they end up dead there are to many people that are willing to adopt kids but are turned down simply because the courts think the kids should stay with the parents.

and you summed it up in you'er first line they didn't have as much terrorism before we came to iraq .

you said we went there because we didn't want another biological 9.11 well it doesn't look like he had any of that stuff does it .and if he did it ain't there anymoer now is it .or maybe it walked across our (WIDE OPEN BORDER) that we are to broke or to bussy to do anything about because we are to bussy fixing other peoples problems.

and you say the majority wants us to stay well i don't know what the majority is but it looks like alot of people in those protest in the streets of iraq on tv that are saying americans go home!!!!!!!!!

and as for me leaving why don't you leave you seem to think you can fix things why don't you get you'erself a plane ticket to iraq or afganistan and go do some good .hell i'll even put in a few dollars if you want .if you think you can stop the fighting and solve it .i'll buy the whole ticket.

besides that when the crap hits the fan it will be the people up north that will feel it before the south. the last black out proved that .them big cities will freeze over no food no water no heat . it's gonna be bad.but that's ok we got soldiers fighting in other countrie's don't worry about what's comin accross our border.
but you will worry when it's to late .because unlike alot of people we down hear can live off the land and the winter's ain't that cold
we can get by without any heat .

[tommy]

everyday in homeroom at school i said the pledge of allegiance to the united states of america .not the world.it's obviouse we are not wanted over there .so why spend the money and loose the lives .afganistan is worth it but iraq is not.they got us in there to where us down finacialy and millitarily.by the time we get out we won't be able to take on to much .you can only keep up this round the clock war for so long before stuff starts to malfunction.
that means breakdowns more money plus the longer it goes the lower the moral.and that won't help.but i guess we will just have ti sit back and see what happens .if it starts to go to bad the enlistment rate will drop even more .and then we won't have enough. troops to swap out the other's in a year being we have over 70 percent already deployed.and they were calling for more . the bases would be empty over here. by the way how old are you are you of a good age .lol because i think they could you a few good men right about now.i'm disabled so that counts me out.

[Lord Shrike]

As I have stated before if there is a draft I ain't runnin I beleive in this war. As for sealin the borders its a physical impossibility. Even if we brought back every stinkin soilder we have we still would not have the nessicarey man power. Thats why the administration isn't even bothering with that angel as it would be the ultimate waste of resources. You can think whatever you want about what the majority of the people think of us over there but polls and interveiws with people that have spent alot of time over there will show you that most Iraqi's want us to stay. If you want to keep basing your opinoins on what Dan Rather and the rest of the mainstream liberal media show you, you might as well join the democratic party. Yor post about the north and the south is about as idiotic of a statement as I have ever heard. Assuming your fantasy doomsday prediction did come true ..............its called fire wood nimrod. Not like the plains and states like Wisconsin don't just turn out unfathomable amounts of food either........... jeez some people. Oh and as for not being able to keep this up In WWII we spent 120% of our GDP anually so far in the War on Terror we are spending a little under .5% of our GDP annually. So forgive me if I am less than fretting over the finances of this war.

[tommy]

there you go calling people names again. what's wrong getting alittle madd are we. why are you waiting for the draft why not do you'er part now huh big boy!! and how much fire wood do they have in new york city or any of them big citie's huh nimrod!!
and i don't just watch one news i watch all of them because you just can't base you'er opinion on on story you have to hear all of them new's reports /documentarie's and all the other stuff i can read .wether it comes from a republican or not it has to be read and heard .but as for you it looks like you only hear what you want and thats it .

i think you should go down to the recruiting office and enlist why wait for a draft huh .put you'erself out there with them soldier's.

you said we are supose to help the people around the world then why did bush leave the troops on the ships offshore of liberia until the president stepped down and left while we watched kids fighting and dieing on tv.huh!!! why why didn't he march into that country and free those people too why? i'll give you one answer .not to much oil over there. and it wasn't in his devine plan but yet we watched while kids were shot in the streets everyday while our troops sat offshore and did nuthing.
and acording to you we are supose to go around the world and free these opressed people witch i'm not against when they are in need like liberia .but all we was doing was sitting offshore.

[colt45]

S.N.A.F.U
B.O.H.I.C.A.

[tommy]

just think if that black out was deliberate .i meann if some one was paid to flip a switch knowing that they would not turn it back on right away giving the person just enough time to put what ever they had to put in place .the cops were to bussy directing traffic . most of the security was gone at the parking garages i bet .you never know .i mean didn't we go after suddam because of a dooms day fantasy.because one day he might hit us with one of them invisible wmd's.

and if we went free the people of iraq how come the first thing we freed was the oil field .screw the people save the oil .
that oil ain't helping us any now is it.and it won't be helping us in the future will it?

and putting a few billion dollars a year into the mexican border would'nt hurt.like more border gaurds or a better fence would be nice.anything but spending it on iraq.we could do alot more then what we are doing now.are should i say bush could do alot more because it's up to him.