Old 09-08-2003, 06:40 PM   #1
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4473 Law??

Is there a federal law that states the a 4473 "yellow sheet" can be given or not given to someone for divorce reasons.

Lets say you were a FFL holder, and then your spouse wants to see all your 4473's so she can see how many firearms were sold from the last 3 years...I would think this would be illegal or violate some privacy act, as this has peoples private SSN, Address Full names DOB and such...

I need a law or statue that says they can not get them...would anyone know where to look
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Old 09-08-2003, 06:51 PM   #2
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Have no idea n the law Chris but I thought I read a while back that the forms were to be destroyed within 48 hours of the sale.
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Old 09-08-2003, 06:57 PM   #3
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Where in the heck did this question come from? I believe the forms need to be on file while you are in business, and if you go out of business then you are to send them to the ATF.
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Old 09-08-2003, 06:58 PM   #4
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I dunno.....but it would really not be cool if that were true.
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Old 09-08-2003, 07:01 PM   #5
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Shaun- you are referring to the NICS info and files..

Paul- No one is going out of business...but if you ever have a divorce, the spouse gets half...and if her law team supena's your 4473's for all prior dealings....would you allow the public to see them? Personally this is wrong, but it is very important for me to find a law that backs me up here. You either turn them over or go to jail for contempt. Doesn't matter what is moral. Those 4473's have personal information on there and that just the other day I saw the Attorney General saying to protect your SSN at all costs and to shred trash.
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Old 09-08-2003, 08:11 PM   #6
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What is NICS? Are you referring to NCIC "Nat'l Crime Info Center?"
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Old 09-08-2003, 09:12 PM   #8
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Roger....my bad.
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Old 09-09-2003, 06:39 AM   #9
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Had to read a lot of stuff to find something reffrenceing how long a 4473 is kept on file...BUT the "Bound Book" is also a source of how many firearms an FFL has sold/disposed of as well.... but no mention of who can can not see these forms.

http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm

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Old 09-09-2003, 08:36 AM   #10
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Thanks Doglips and to all. Just kinda worried what if the person you buy the gun from has an opposing party ask for this information. That would be my ownly concern...MY SSN and other type of personal information would defintly be a major security risk to myself.

I wonder if ATF themself if I call would have that info...
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Old 09-09-2003, 09:57 AM   #11
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Chris,

The Privacy Act of 1974 and the Freedom of Infrmation Act (FOI) are very specific as to what information or documents may be released and to whom.

Some information is considered public information, such as an address, which can be given to requesting it. Whereas, SSN is not and can only be given upon permission of the owner or to a law enforcement identity with a need to know.

However, any Joe Blow, such as a private citizen, Attorney, and etc. can request any FOI information if they do so through the Department of Justice. That can be a lengthy process and then the DOJ will decide if the requesting person is entitled to it.

Perhaps, this will help:

www.usdoj.gov/04foia/privstat.htm

www.usdoj.gov/04foia/04_7_1.html
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Old 09-09-2003, 01:25 PM   #12
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MOST STATES REQUIRE YOUR SS# ON PROPERTY TRANSFERS ALL OF WHICH ARE A PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ASK FOR A LOOK OR PAY FOR A COPY.

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