[FEG]

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Originally posted by BattleRifleG3 I thought of the Saigas because not only are they tough reliable semi-autos, but they are the least expensive repeating rifles in those calibers that I know of, with the exception of a few vintage 308 Mausers.

Believe it or not, the 12 ga. Saigas with Kalashnikov actions are pretty darn good shooters. One of my best friends, who lives about 120 miles away, brought ALL of his guns down around the 4th of July. We had our own Leadapalooza.

He has a Saiga AK shotgun (the one with an adjustable choke), and you can hit with that thing! With an MTM handthrower, I can hit anywhere from 15-18 clay birds out of 20. My friend was able to hit 20 in a row at one point. You also have to realize that the handthrower will create much more difficult shots than an automated set-up does. For one thing, the birds were coming from behind the shooter, not in front.

My only complaint is that the magazines are metal reinforced plastic. He has used his pretty heavily during the first year, and the first mag looks it.

Man! This thread has meandered all over the place. Sorry...

[NRAJOE]

Yeah, we got muzzle loader season...forgot about that!

I know this guy who takes only head shots on deer..he doesn't care about trophies and prefers to eat doe meat. he told me the mini 14 was perfect for that...btw he has a friend who has a mini 14 ranch rifle with the gray/green laminated stock and a 3-9x40 scope (Simmons Trophy Buck or some such) that he wants to trade me for my S&W 65 and NAA Guardian .32..I think my Smith is perfect but I might could part with my Sig 239 :assult:

where in the heck is Joe ? just like a cop..never around when his opinion is wanted..

[NRAJOE]

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Originally posted by logansdad where in the heck is Joe ? just like a cop..never around when his opinion is wanted..

Ooooo! See that Matt? Sorry LD Iwas getting donuts!

[PAPA G]

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Originally posted by NRAJOE Ooooo! See that Matt? Sorry LD Iwas getting donuts!

powdered sugar on your face, jelly dripping all over your shirt mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[jerry]

Get a 308 & load 130 grain bullets for coyotes. That way your covered on the big game issue too.

[BattleRifleG3]

That's right, I forgot about the super light bullets out there in 308. They even come as small as 80 gr for pistols and 110 gr for M1 Carbine. I'll bet 110gr bullets would be sweet on coyotes.

[FEG]

Now I'm sort of curious as to what the Speer "Plinker" 100gr .309" LRN bullet would do to a coyote. It would have to be at ranges of 200 yards or less, because the drop would be tremendous. Still, I may have to try this.

I don't worry too much about "humane" kills with a coyote. I have killed them with .22 Magnum before, and I can guarantee that some of them had a rough time of it first.

[alan c.]

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Originally posted by NRAJOE In Ohio shotgun only deer hunting...don't ask me why!

Maybe not enough wide open spaces.

[toolman]

Personally, I like the .257 Roberts as an all-around deer/varmint cartridge. The 6.5x55 is also pretty versatile.

[toolman]

Personally, I like the .257 Roberts as an all-around deer/varmint cartridge. The 6.5x55 is also pretty versatile. As far as the Ohio hunting laws, I think they are designed for close range shooting 'cause all them Buckeye boys are such lousy shots!

[FEG]

I agree. .257 Roberts is also very good if nothing larger than whitetail is contemplated. I am assuming that factory ammunition is higher than .243, .270, and .308, however.

[ManlyTexan]

Move to Texas. Only state to defeat a country and still battles.

[mitch_mckee]

Quote:       Originally Posted by m1der

Looking for a coyoty hunting rifle. What's the difference between the Ruger Mini-14, Ranch Rifle? Is the Mini Thirty the same, but in 7.62 cal.? What scope do you suggest? Would the 223. be to small for deer? Should I consider the 7.62x39mm? Is that the same as the NATO round that I shot in the Marine Corps? Should I stay with Ruger? All my hand guns are Ruger's.

The Mini-14 shoots the M-16 round .223 (5.56)

Mini-30 shoots AK/SKS 7.62x39

My Mini-30 shot like crap. The Mini barrels are junque. The SKS I replaced it with shoots far better and was 20% of the cost at the time. It is the only Ruger product that I think is a failure.

Go ahead and get a bolt rifle. You will be glad you did.

[roger460xvr]

Just get the new mini-14 in 6.8spc caliber......perfect deer bullet....ROGER460xvr

[squirrelblaster]

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The Mini-14 shoots the M-16 round .223 (5.56) Mini-30 shoots AK/SKS 7.62x39 My Mini-30 shot like crap. The Mini barrels are junque. The SKS I replaced it with shoots far better and was 20% of the cost at the time. It is the only Ruger product that I think is a failure. Go ahead and get a bolt rifle. You will be glad you did.

^this is what ive heard from many sources.....

[Laufer]

M1der:
About the Mini 30-I only plink with all my guns, i.e. Mini 14, SKS, MN 44-there are some limitations which have been discussed on several gun websites.

The main complaints deal with so many unreliable aftermarket mags. Some guys know how to tweak them.
If you shoot with Wolf (rigid steel) and do not clean the chamber often, a round might stick inside the chamber if you then switch to brass. A few gunsmith evaluations described this-it is caused by carbon outside stiff steel shells, not lacquer on earlier Wolf shells, as commonly believed. Gunsmiths state that allowing carbon to accumulate in the chamber when using steel, then switching to brass which expands into the hot residue as it cools, causes problems sometimes.
Russian ammo uses harder primers, and I've had about five fail to fire in about 400 rounds of Wolf through my Mini 30.
But Brownell's sells stronger firing pin springs. A friend on the Navy Rifle Team claims that a stronger pin spring should not matter even if you dry fire a bit.
This sums up what about a hundred guys have described, and I have read through all of these Internet remarks, mostly on four websites since January.

By the way, I saw the graphic color photo of a large feral pig quickly stopped by a single x39 round from an SKS. Maybe at "Thefiringline" or "Perfectunion"? It might have been through the chest.
The hollow point did the job, and the opening of the wound for the camera convinced me of the round's potential, especially combined with the simlicity/ruggedness of the SKS (appears to be just as reliable as the AK-47). My Norinco has had no issues with about 300 rounds using only Wolf....perfect. The 'slamfires' in some SKS happen using American-made ammo having softer primers, reportedly caused by the 'floating firing pin'.

You might also look at Saiga 7.62x39 rifles (if not .223)-they appear to be very popular their owners, at least among the large majority who actually understand/accept the well-known limitations of carbines and given ammo.
If it were not for what are often called low-cost (junk) "commie-made" guns or "commie-made" ammo, I would not have bought the Mosin, both Minis or the SKS. Am very glad that I did.
My only other gun is the ancient Savage .22.

[Niko911]

go with the mini30 and yes its the same as the nato round its the .308, .223 would probably be alittle small for deer

[NRAJOE]

The new Mini 14's and 30's are much improved over the older ones...nice stiffer barrels and new sights on them.