If you followed post #1 , you all know my son had an intruder walk into his apartment, claiming he mistaked my son's apartment for his, apologized, and left. My son was armed with his Pf-9. Yesteraday, the "intruder", his wife, and child showed up at my son's door and again, profusely apologized for the incident. He said he just got done with a 12 hour shift at the local hospital, and was pooped. My son said everything is cool, and to forget it. However, my son did make a incident report with the county sheriff's office, and they told him, this kind of stuff happens all the time, there's nothing they can do, and if it happens again, they can be there in 5 minutes. 5 MINUTES??? The main station and jail is only 3-5 miles away..Meanwhile, my son told them he had his CCW, and they politely informed him, he COULD NOT USE HIS WEAPON TO DEFEND HIS APARTMENT, GIRLFRIEND, OR HIMSELF IN THE APARTMENT!!! Even if this guy/girl is in the apartment, as what happened Sat night!! Are you kidding me?????? The "intruder" could only be charged with TRESPASS!!!!I'm glad my son is a whole lot smarter than me. I still can't believe this.All you bad guys reading this, come on into NY,where a lawfully licensed citizen has no rights to defend himself, in his own home.The deputy on duty told my son that the "intruder" was not threatening his life, so deadly force could not be used. If the SOB is in my home, he's threatening my life, AZZHOLE!!! I'd better not continue...
Sounds a lot like Minnesota. We have to have an intruder break in with hostile intent before it's considered a righteous shoot. It's one of the main reasons I am leaving this miserable liberal hellhole. Your son does the responsible thing and reports an incident that could be related to a serial rapist, or home invasion burglar. Once again, Law Enforcement puts citizens in their place and knows better than the citizen staring down an intruder in his own living room. Just another brick in the wall of my lack of faith in law enforcement monument.
I commend your son for at least attempting to do the right thing, and this should serve as an omen for those in NY state not to report these incidents if you are capable of handling it in your own. Hopefully if he has to put a BG down in his home after this point they will not use "Prior Instruction" as a reason to hang him out to dry since he has been "duly informed" by law enforcement that he can't defend himself, or his home.
What a pile of bull****.
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You don't know what an intruder is up to and you don't have to ask. If someone breaks into a residence they are obviously up to no good. At that point you have standing to protect yourself and your family.
The point is that there are reasons people walk into rooms/doors by accident. I've done it and I am sure others have as well.
If the door is not locked then all you can charge him with is unlawful entry; it is not BREAKING AND ENTERING. People need to get over themselves and this macho bravado that because they have a gun they can be judge, jury and executioner. Having a gun doens't make you the law. This attitude is exactly why there is a sh!tstorm of racial fury brewing in Florida and exactly why liberals are joining together to find ways to disarm us.
Your son acted with ration and caution. He was prepared for the situation and acted responsibly. His use of force progressed only as much as the intruder's. Had the intruder became more aggressive I am sure your son would have met it responsibly.
The point is that there are reasons people walk into rooms/doors by accident. I've done it and I am sure others have as well.
If the door is not locked then all you can charge him with is unlawful entry; it is not BREAKING AND ENTERING. People need to get over themselves and this macho bravado that because they have a gun they can be judge, jury and executioner. Having a gun doens't make you the law. This attitude is exactly why there is a sh!tstorm of racial fury brewing in Florida and exactly why liberals are joining together to find ways to disarm us.
Your son acted with ration and caution. He was prepared for the situation and acted responsibly. His use of force progressed only as much as the intruder's. Had the intruder became more aggressive I am sure your son would have met it responsibly.
No Sir! the reason there is "racial fury" in Florida is the current state or mindset if you will, of a White on Black shooting in the media, if this had been a White on White or Black on Black shooting , we the public would been nun the wiser, stop playing into their trap, the shooting SHOULD not have happened, If Jackson or Sharpton really gave a **** they would look no further than the stats!Hell, don't trust me or anybody else, look for yourself , Two British tourist are gunned down by a Black Male and the MEDIA says they were in a high crime area, you change a few simple words around and you'll see between the lines.Ie Shooter ( black/White --- good area /bad area ) look past the HEADLINES (and your nose).
If someone breaks into my home, they automatically have hostile intent.
Besides as the old axiom goes "dead men tell no tales".
"Officer, I was in fear of my life and kept shooting until the threat was over. Oh, he's dead? Gee, so sorry".
See here is the problem I have with generalized statements like that.
And this is going from my personal experience in dealing with and responding to SEVERAL burglary and breaking and entering in progress calls in any given year.
Sure a few of them are legit where a person with malicious intent is trying to beat down the door to get inside and is threatening to "kick someone's butt" etc etc. Some times they actually get inside.
Or where the intruder was there to commit any other crime.
In cases like that I have seen home owners or renters do everything from barricade themselves in the bathroom, run out the back door, hide in the bedroom with a steak knife, and in a couple cases, camp out somewhere on the other side of the door with their phone in one hand calling 911 and a base ball bat or even their own gun in the other.
If someone is actively beating on your door and trying to get in and threatening to hurt you, and they get in, claiming self defense and acting in self defense may very well be a valid option. I agree with you there.
The potential issue I have with the general
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If someone breaks into my home, they automatically have hostile intent.
Besides as the old axiom goes "dead men tell no tales".
"Officer, I was in fear of my life and kept shooting until the threat was over. Oh, he's dead? Gee, so sorry".
is that for every time I have a breaking and entering case like I just described above I have like 10x the number were the person trying to pound on a door or break it open is usually some super drunk who got lost on his way home from the bar and is trying to get back into what he thinks is HIS own house/apartment/trailer/hotel room. And from observing him and even from what the 911 caller states to the dispatcher is that the guy is OBVIOUSLY no threat to anyone's safety.
Where they are obviously intoxicated and in some cases are shouting things like "Hey Bob! It's not funny anymore let me in! Unlock the door!" Or they are fumbling and stumbling around trying to get in like a zombie from the Walking Dead.
In several cases these drunken idiots have even gotten inside (door was left unlocked etc) and they promptly come in and pass out on the floor and couch. Or they stand there bewildered and try to figure out where they are.
Sometimes the idiot broke into an empty house, and the home owner comes home to find them inside passed out or in a drunken stupor but posing absolutely NO signs of aggression or threat to the people inside.
The home owners then call the police and wait inside or outside etc.
Could/would you still just straight up shoot that person dead and claim self defense with no other witnesses? And even get away with it? Sure.
I suppose besides any legal ramifications of that you would just have to live with the fact that you killed some drunken idiot who was posing no threat to you other than a major inconvenience.
Again, this is separate from a case where a reasonable person would believe that there IS a threat to themselves (drunk intruder or not).
I suppose in some states and how their self defense, or castle doctrine laws are stated it doesn't matter whether the person was a threat or not.
I know that for me personally if I was just sitting here typing this and some drunk guy just stumbled into my place, walked over to my couch and passed out on my living room couch I would have a real hard time justifying to myself (morally) that I need to shoot and kill him.
That would be like the guy in .22hustler's son case. A legit accident happens, someone really tired or not thinking straight or having a brain fart walks into someone else's unlocked door and gets killed over it.
I think what .22hustler's son did was the right way to handle the situation. He took one half a second to assess the situation and respond appropriately.
If that stranger had come running at him and tried to assault him, then game on, it's a drastically different set of facts and circumstances.
as ive posted before perfect example, the last officer involved shooting where I work was when our guy shot a man who was actively stabbing the crap out of someone else (not a cop) as he pulled up on scene.
Not to mention like the 3 separate court house shootings that happened this month and last where random crazies started shooting at random people in general.
If we come across something like some dude assaulting another victim with deadly force it's not like we are gonna just stand around and wait until they turn the weapon on us first ya know.
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Even with my poor state of physical health, I feel that I can take care of a drunk who accidently walks into my home. Reason first, and if he tries to put his hands on me, he gets clobbered and sent to jail. If on the other hand, my door is locked, and it gets kicked in by an armed assailant, I will shoot until the attacker goes down for the count. I couldn't possibly go hand to hand with a real intruder with evil intent. Our laws are pretty well spelled out, that you can only meet force with equal force. If deadly force is necessary, then use it, but make SURE that it was necessary!
as ive posted before perfect example, the last officer involved shooting where I work was when our guy shot a man who was actively stabbing the crap out of someone else (not a cop) as he pulled up on scene.
Not to mention like the 3 separate court house shootings that happened this month and last where random crazies started shooting at random people in general.
If we come across something like some dude assaulting another victim with deadly force it's not like we are gonna just stand around and wait until they turn the weapon on us first ya know.
The stabbing ? Indian river, Brevard County Florida? You've stated 4 cases, out of thousands I don't by any means buy it sorry ! If what your saying is true why don't you carry rifels or an MP 5? a whole lot more accurate , and the sight of them is sure a BS stopper, sell to the army the navy ain't buying it.
Waterdog, you have a storm brewing in Fla because you had a wannabe that 1, violated several of his Community Watch regulations 2, disregarded police requests to stop following the kid, 3, racially profiled a black kid for walking down the street 4, put himself in a situation where for whatever reason there was a struggle and 5, shot an unarmed kid.
The reason it is being brought to the media is because people have an axe to grind and want to make a political fuss about it. The politics of the black community is complex. Some of their views are valid, some aren't. I can bet that if the roles were reversed Martin might be in jail. Everything that happens to a black man isn't racist just like every gun owner who gets in trouble it isn't because it's an affront to their rights. Sometimes gun owners do stupid sh!t and they get called on it. Not every black person believes this crap just like every gun owner doesn't either.
Keep drawing a line in the sand and become part of the problem or abandon petty bickering and ignore the ignorance. Replying to ignorant statements with more ignorance doesn't solve anything.
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