I went to high school with a guy that went on a shooting spree. He was brutally picked on throughout his entire school career. He finally fought back...There's only so far you can push someone...
I'm not saying thats what happened here, but it sounds like it...
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I again have to agree with Lenny. I am reserveing judgment until more details are known. If the two victims were makeing this kids life a living hell than I don't feel overly sorry for them.
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Sure to be another assault on our 2nd ammendment rights. Being a firefighter is stressfull enough, Imagine having it up close and personal. I'm not too haunted by death as it has been second hand. I have lost one son (wasn't there, was in Korea) I can't imagine what it must be like to see a child die. Hate to get all sappy on ya guys & gals but reality sux.
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Who was our former member who had so many bad experiences he dropped out? Can't remember his name w/o some research.
Originally posted by jerry Sure to be another assault on our 2nd ammendment rights. Being a firefighter is stressfull enough, Imagine having it up close and personal. I'm not too haunted by death as it has been second hand. I have lost one son (wasn't there, was in Korea) I can't imagine what it must be like to see a child die. Hate to get all sappy on ya guys & gals but reality sux.
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Who was our former member who had so many bad experiences he dropped out? Can't remember his name w/o some research.
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Jerry
oh yeah the guy from Canada...back on topic..I can't imagine rolling up on a call to find my son dead or dying..I can't imagine the loss
I disagree with Lord Shrike and Lenny in this instance. Kids are the most cruel little creatures on the face of the planet. Ridicule, peer pressure, desire for acceptance, social outcasts.......But I don't see killing someone because they made fun of you. The correlation is just not there in my mind. I can see how traumatizing it would be, but I just can't fathom murdering someone.
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There is no longer any way to resolve disputes between students with out horrendous consiquences.
Grownups to.
So how do you do it? There used to be a way, but not now.
We didnt used to have these shootings at schools and workplaces
Like I have said before
The decline of western civilization began when they outlawed the fist fight
it is only going to get worse
See ya cant "manage" it, ya can't control it, it is Human nature, especially with young male humans, been that way for thousands of years.
Where did they get the idea that they could change it
If you get in to a fight at school what happends?
Expulsion, not suspension not detention not time out not sent home early
Expulsion the worst possible thing there is
See they go to the "or else" at the start, there isnt any thing worse.
except jail, maybe, then there are some schools that will do that.
so young men dont fight and resolve the situation between each other.
I can remember one of my best friends in 4th grade was a kid I met in a fight.
Now a days they cant fight it out so the anger grows untill
Something happends like a shooting or a suicide (or both)
Not all the time but a Lot more that used to.
See what liberal thinking has done, the whole idea that
"we can think of a better way" doesnt work.
No matter how much they want to, they cant change Human nature. they can scrunch up their eyes and wish as hard as humanly possible and it still will not
happen.
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Dennis is right on. I survied alot of crap when I was younger because I was able to lash out at my attackers without going to jail or juvie hall. By the time I got to highschool that was what happened if you got in a fight they called the cops. Fortunately by than I had carved out a reputation of being crazy, fearless and had shot up 3 inches and put on enough muscle from football that the kids who used to mess with me had no desire to anymore. Being on the team also helped in acceptance but I never let myself become a typical "jock" who picked on the nerds or other outcasts because I know how that felt. Anytime I saw that going on I stuck my nose in it and stopped it. Ironically I was the one who was probably risking disipline by doing that. While fighting back is one thing there is another side to this. Some kids aren't going to be able to defend themselves in a fight either. Parents are so detached from there kids that both the bully has no sense of right and wrong or dispine hence he acts like a bully and the victim has no one to comfort him and help him though his ordeal. I have said this before though I am not sure if I did here. I did not condone what happened at Columbine Highschool but I understood it. Oneastrix you say you cannot fathom wanting to murder someone. Thats good I guess for you maybey you didn't have things to bad I hope you didn't, but I can say that I can fathom that. Especially at that age. I totally underestand that level of rage and pain. I can remember hatred so intense I could taste it, dreading haveing to go back to school and face those demons day after day. Fortunately I had a loving if not perfect family who helped me through alot of that crap till I got older and stonger and I don't just mean physicaly. However if I didn't have that I can't say with any degree of certainty that I wouldn't have done what so many are doing today. In fact I have to admit quite eerily that I had thoughts very similar to what I have seen acted out in the last 5 years and more than once. I do think that we can all agree here however that this has nothing to do with guns or access to them and everything to do with the break down of the American Family, America's Values and America's Morals. This is just a sympton of a much greater disease that plagues the very soul of our nation.
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Lord Shrike, scary as it may sound we have a lot in common...
I agree with Dennis somewhat, but not completely. There are some kids that are physically incapable or even unwilling to fight back. If a bully is picking on a much smaller kid incapable of winning a fight against the bully - which you tend to think will fix the problem - and they fight like you say they say they should be able to do, the bully wins. How does that solve anything? It doesn't.
In my opinion, the problem is parenting. When parents teach their children to teach all people with respect, we will not have these shootings. Its parents that don't teach their children to respect others, even if they are different, that are to blame. I'm talking about the parents of the children that picked on the shooters - not the shooters parents.
You know I dont have a clue about whats going on with kids these days, i used to bring a rifle sometimes to high school, but it was just for my friends to ewe and awe over in the parking lot, arguing about if could bring down a deer or elk,the thought of using it against some one wasnt even thought of, that was a different era. I got picked on as a kid I was only 5,5 in high school, but pretty dam onrey, and could take care of myself, but now kids use guns to settle arguements, I blame the g-d dam liberals for this, hell you cant even spank a kid these days as a parent because they might file suit against you, you cant make them do anything they dont want to do, or you will end up in court, thats the problem, you cant dicsipline any more, the courts made sure of that, now we are left with this stinking mess, my school district banned recently scary costumes for halloween, liberal jackas-s, Im glad I dont have young kids my daughter just turned 30
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Yah I agree Lenny thats what I was getting at when I said it wouldn't solve all the problems. It would solve some problems though if we approached our schools with some common sense and realized that not every fight is gang related or some other bizare hazing incident. Most fights are just boys growing up and settleing things. I can't count how many guys I slugged it out with who ended up becoming my freind when I was growing up. However there is fighting and there is torture and when the strong routinely verbally and physically abuse the weak thats torture. What kind of parents raise kids who think thats ok?
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