Different accounts are saying the Colorado Theater Murderer could likely have been "mind-altered" into doing what he did.
I don't know if I believe all that "we can plant a suggestion in your brain" stuff...although I've seen people (TV and such) being "hypnotized". Are they faking? Is it real?
If it's real, do only weak-minded succumb to it?
What say you?
__________________ "JG is quite often right." ~ Jay
JG, I have never been hypnotized. And I don't really want to be. I got enough lose nuts and bolts and their all in their perfect little spot. I don't need someone goin in there and mixin everything up LOL.
I have seen it done at the County Fair when I lived in CA. I never wanted to go up on stage. A guy I knew was ex Navy and he was called. He said he didn't know what he was doin, and didn't remember anything.
Me, and my luck, I would come out of it but would retain everything and I would hate to hear a horn honk and start doin the funky chicken on main street, and get arrested LOL.
The Enemedia are just throwing out whatever excuse is trendy at this time. After Columbine everyone from Marilyn Manson to Leo DiCaprio were "to blame". After V-tech the news stations were blaming video games before the blood had dried. Now Bloomberg goes out demanding tighter gun control as fast as he can get to a microphone.
YES. Think of all the cults and how some people can manipulate.
Having been a member of a cult 10 the 70's I can tell you that a little lie leads to a bigger till after a while they have control. If you are a thinking person you eventually see the truth and run(me).
I watched my uncle hypnotize a guy to help him stop cussing...when he'd say a curseword, his left arm would raise and be stuck there for 5 minutes...
funny as heck!! and rather effective...and eventually, the guy stopped cussing all the time
JetGirl: Ma'am, without doubt; power in suggestion works. In this case? It is a sickening cowards approach; whether "programmed" as the vehicle, or the pathetic face of more gun control.
Reverse, with more available "Second Amendment" rights recognized, these cowards will not be shooting "cows in a pen"
How many "citizen" FireArm" homeowners didn't kill anyone last nite; yet, sitting on their collective haunches while imbecilic knee jerk politicians further restrict our civilized right in self protection.
In the same vein, I didn't want to hijack the Colorado thread with my question about "mind control" (hypnosis/brain-washing).
I wasn't really asking about that specific guy in this thread...I just more or less wanted to know if people think the mind control stuff is "real" or not (for ANYone).
__________________ "JG is quite often right." ~ Jay
In the first place a person has to be susceptible to hypnotism in order for it to work. I had a hypnotist at the fair do his best to get me under, but it didn't work. A person with a strongly engrained sense of right and wrong can't be coerced, or mind altered into doing the opposite of his/her mental makeup. But I believe weaker individuals can be moulded to do whatever the controller wants them to do. Just my two cents. It's a bit like the POW training many of us in the service were subjected to during SERE or survival training! Someone who makes it that far in training will not fall to the handlers, and give up anything harmful to other POWs. We didn't lose a single student to any of the methods used, including waterboarding.
Hypnotism is real but if someone really doesn't want to do something, they can't be "made" to do it. Guys, women can't be hypnotized to have sex with you, if they really don't want to do it. Brain washing, not so sure. Indoctrination? Yes. Democratic party comes to mind as well as various religious cults. Even before it was said that this guy dyed his hair and stuff, I had told someone that this guy was just trying to be the Joker. I think, that this guy really associated himself with the Joker from the previous movie. A very unhealthy association. It really crashed his world when Heath Ledger accidentally killed himself. To him, the Joker was gone. All his actions are very similar to what the Joker did in the second film. Firearms, gas, smoke, explosives, booby traps, killing people for no real reason. I bet he was laughing inside the gas mask. With his body armor, he was planning on getting away, but booby trapped his appt in case he didn't. He got disconnected from the real world. But, I also think that he wanted to be noticed, famous for something. Virginia Tech shooter, Columbine shooter and all the rest; disconnected from reality. I have seen TV shows and have read stuff about how the Soviets made sleeper agents in the US. They would act all normal until they heard some code words and then they would carry out the mission. I don't think that can happen, that is just my opinion. I think that this guy is just some nut job. If he was brain washed, they would have brain washed him into killing himself so the possibility of him revealing his "brain washers" would die with him. Most of the guys who do this kill themselves, for some reason, this guy didn't.
I knew a man who smoked 3+ packs a day and had smoked since Korean war. In 83 he saw a hynotist and never touched a cigerette the next 6 years at which point cancer got him.
Hypnotism and "brainwashing" are two distinct and separate phenomena, and should not be lumped together.
They can be used separately or combined for desired effects.
Whether or not they are "real" and can actually be accomplished is well documented, and they have been used with varying degrees of "success" for a long time.
Our own gubmint has done extensive research and application in these endeavors, and has spent hundreds of billions of dollars on developing techniques of their application. This is not a disputable fact. It is quite well documented.
Our gubmint is by no means the only one involved in these "research" areas of mind control, either.
A trip to the local library, and a casual perusal of the books available in the "psychology" section will give one ample data to be convinced that this area of mind control has been pursued quite diligently.
As for who is susceptible; obviously a less disciplined mind is easier to alter than a more disciplined mind. A "numb" mind is easier to overwhelm than an alert mind.
Just look around you at the "walking dead" you see every day, and tell me that there are not a LOT of "numb" minds to choose from.
Combining techniques, such as the administering of drugs, pain, and hypnosis, can be VERY effective in altering an individual's behavior, and has been a standard tool of certain nefarious characters for a long time.
For anyone to deny or ignore that these techniques actually do exist, and are used regularly to influence human events, is either naive or complicit.
The options are too limited for me to cast a vote. Is it real? As real as yesterday all day.
Hypnotism/Mesmerisation: (Named after Dr. Mesmer) This is real, however, the subject has to be susceptible to being put in a suggestive state (as mentioned before). The subject cannot be forced into actions that the subject would normally consider "wrong."
The hypnotic suggestion only lasts a short period of time. Days at the most.
Brainwashing (alteration, conditioning, indoctrination, persuasion, re-education) is a different ballgame. Also real, but the subject has to undergo a long period of "treatment." In this shooter's case, that is highly unlikely, as the methods used are not for family-viewing, and would surely be noticed.
This is the media throwing out **** to keep their columns full. Next would be aliens, Communists, Al Quaeda, Wall Street, The Pentagon, Fox News, Hells Angels, The Mexican Cartels, Walt Disney, The Aryan Brotherhood, Electric Pylons, The Georgia State Lottery, etc.
In a nutshell, this is just a load of fertiliser. In this case there cannot be any relation to this shooting.
I think he is just a sick SOB, killing babies and young adults and such, even his Momma seems to have known about his mental state of mind. Prayers sent to all touched by this evil deed.
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