[BattleRifleG3]

I bought a box of these in 40 S&W at Gun World since I've heard about them and they seemed like the best CCW ammo available. Is that the case? Are they good for stopping and avoiding over penetration? How are they designed and shaped? Are they recognized in court as one of the more approvable choices?

And are they available as bullets only for possible use in a rifle?

Thanks all

I use them when I can't find Nyclads (which are no longer made by Federal) or Triton Quik Shoks...they are available in almost all commonly available sidearm rounds...I haven't seen any rifle caliber Hydra Shoks

[BattleRifleG3]

I know they're not designed for rifle, but I'm thinking they might be a good low penetration high energy output round if loaded in a rifle.

[oneastrix]

I believe they are an excellent round. I personally have to carry Ranger STX's in 180gr due to dept policy.....But a good 165 gr Hydra-Shok is a great round! Also the Speer Gold Dot 155gr is another good one.

[practical]

Hydrashocks are a low energy ammo though. I don't like that. I'd feel much better carrying Corbon's. Talk about some hot loads. I'd hate to be on the wrong end.

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Originally posted by BattleRifleG3 I know they're not designed for rifle, but I'm thinking they might be a good low penetration high energy output round if loaded in a rifle.

it isn't that they aren't designed for rifles...they aren't to my knowledge made in rifle calibers...quite possibly because there may not be much market demand :assult:

[oneastrix]

Yes, they are recognized in court, BTW, as one of the more "favorable" choices. Many police departments carry them.

Then again, like Practical said, Cor-Bons are great. I'm pretty sure that's what CopInBlue carries in that Beretta.

[Shaun]

The Hydrashok is the FBI's #1 rated single shot stop round in the 45 acp

From the "father" of Hydra-Shok, Starfire and Quik-Shok
Late-Breaking News:
End of an Era?
The last week of August 2003 saw various firearms industry representatives address the stable of gunwriters whose work most frequently appears in the titles (G&A, Handguns, Shooting Times) published by Primedia.

Federal/ATK's Alan Corzine, a patent co-holder of Winchester's notorious "Black Talon" of the early '90s, dropped the bombshell that his current employer, Federal/ATK, would be discontinuing their immensely successful Hydra-Shok line of handgun ammunition.

ATK Product Development Manager Drew Goodlin said in a 24 August Gun Talk radio interview with Tom Gresham that Federal didn't even have a name for the new round yet.As important as was the great John M. Browning in small arms development a century ago, so too has been Tom Burczynski over the past 35 years, but in the contentious arena of innovative projectile designs.

Browning worked with the full metal jacket (FMJ) design, and that's pretty much where things stood 'til Lee Jurras came along with the high-velocity jacketed hollowpoint (JHP) rounds he began marketing under his SuperVel brand in the 1960s. Lighter weight than the FMJs, these JHPs were a quantum leap forward from the fanciful type of round described in the purple prose of pulp novels exemplified by Mickey Spillane whose revenge-minded protagonist "Mike Hammer" would sometimes take a pocket knife and cut Xs in the nose of his .45 ACP FMJs so that they would "make a small hole going in and an exit wound you could drive your fist in coming out."

Then Tom Burczynski arrived, and anti-personnel handgun cartridges have never been the same!

First came the Hydra-Shok of the early '70s which proved so effective a round that Federal Cartridge Corporation licensed the design from Burczynski in the mid-'80s and immediately gained parity with mighty Winchester and Remington as a major American munitions manufacturer. This was followed in 1991 by the "machine-in-a-bullet," the Starfire hollowpoint marketed (poorly and with much hyperbole) by PMC/Eldorado. Then came the radically different (for Burczynski) Quik-Shok concept in rimfire, shotgun slug and handgun versons, the latter of which was licensed to start-up Triton Cartridge in 1996.

Most recently, Burczynski developed the Expanding Full Metal Jacket (EFMJ) round which was thoroughly researched in-house by Federal where the project was code-named "Captive Soft Point." The concept, in the author's view, pioneered by the late Joe Zambone a decade ago with the MagSafe "Q" loading ("New Jersey legal!"), has gained immediate recognition due to Burczynski's name and Federal's marketing strength.

And never one to rest on his laurels and royalties, Burczynski has also created, again for Federal, the HS2, yet another updating of his seminal Hydra-Shok concept.

check these out

http://www.tritonammo.com/products/QuikShok.shtml

[alan c.]

I have boxes of different types of 9mm.
1.> Corbon
2.> El Dorado Starfire
3.> Seller and Benoit.
4.>Win. Silvertip 147 gr. hp.
5.> Ranger 115 gr. +P+ hp.

Your thoughts on these.

[Shaun]

Alan you need some of the differnt offering by T-M-S Ammunition they have an full custom line of defense loads available

[alan c.]

In other words my 9mm menu sucks.

I don't think so...well the 147 grainers suck..

[rich]

alan, if i was in your gun cabinet i'd take your glock, you do have a glock dont you? if not i'd take whatever gun seemed most reliable and load it up with either the cor bons or the rangers depending on which looked "fresher" i'd carry them until i thought they were "stale" 6-9 months is my usual turnover time for ammo i carry every day,(b/c of rain, sweat, etc) in the mean time i'd spend some effort learning what the better rounds are, taking into account when and where your living/carrying, how they function in your chosen weapon things like that. then load up and feel confident, remember the difference in defensive ammo are slight compared to the differences in shooters capabilities.
good luck, Rich

[oneastrix]

Alan, the Rangers +P+ would be a good choice. I beleive in the smaller calibers in "lighter and faster." Just IMHO.

[grizzly]

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Originally posted by oneastrix Alan, the Rangers +P+ would be a good choice. I beleive in the smaller calibers in "lighter and faster." Just IMHO.

Smaller...Faster....:nod: :nod: :nod:

I'd prefer bigger and faster but I'll settle for smaller and faster

[rich]

when i am carrying what i choose i usually go back and forth between cor bon and hydra shoks the h-shok bullet design is usually at or near the top in almost any caliber that it is made in. but shooting the corbons at night will really make a case for them there is almost no flash, and the added fps are always welcome. no experience with the rangers but they are well liked by lots of knowledgable people. i am issued federal classic 147gr 9mm's (one of the worst variations of 9mm) so i have to believe in shot placement. oh well at least they give me a lot of them.
-Rich

Ranger SXT hollowpoints used to be black and they were called Black Talons..