Immigrants, Not Americans, Must Adapt

11-23-2003, 06:08 PM

After hearing that the state of Florida changed its opinion and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's license with her face covered this is an editorial written by an American citizen, published in a Tampa newspaper. He did quite a job; didn't he? Read on, please!

IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.
I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants. However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!

"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.

If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every! citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great American freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

11-23-2003, 07:14 PM

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Originally posted by Logansdad

"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.

Phoey! Many of our founding fathers were not even Christian. This country was not found on "Christian" principles. Please show me some biblical quotes in the constitution. Please show me some references to Christ in the constitution. This kind of thing is nothing more than an excuse to exercise intolerance.

11-23-2003, 08:07 PM

but you didn't vote no L2...

Pumpkinheaver · 11-23-2003, 11:06 PM

I have lived here my whole life. I'll be ****ed if I change for some camel jockey!!!

Lord Shrike · 11-23-2003, 11:14 PM

Actually Lenny 90% of the signers of the consitution were Mason's a christian secret society.

David N · 11-24-2003, 12:05 AM

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Originally posted by Lord Shrike
Actually Lenny 90% of the signers of the consitution were Mason's a christian secret society.

I believe its closer to 70% but the point is well taken. As for it being a christian secret society, more like an elite society based on biblical traditions of the Old Testiment in the christian interpretation with secrets. It embraces the same ideology even to this day, firmly steeped in the Judeo-Christian ethic. Thats not to say that it excludes muslims, hindus or any other particular religion or belief system. Its only real restriction is that the individual believes in a higher power.

I could go on but feel it may be inappropriate for this forum.

Lord Shrike · 11-24-2003, 12:47 AM

We wouldn't happen to be a Mason would we?

TScottW99 · 11-24-2003, 12:54 AM

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As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle.

We have our own language? Funny, I always thought most of us borrowed it from England

11-24-2003, 05:47 AM

try speaking to someone from England...I guarantee they are speaking a whole 'nother language over there

Rufus Rhastus J · 11-24-2003, 08:01 AM

Are you sure? I live in Fla. and I did not know they allowed her to get away with that. It was my understanding she lost the bid to wear her rag to cover her ugly face. As i understand it, she was a convert to islam and not born into it, if that has anything to do with it.

I sure hope those liberal scum bags did'nt give in to her silly demands.

11-24-2003, 10:27 AM

Masons are NOT christians. Some Masons are christians. And some christians are Masons. But the Masons is not a "christian" organization.

If it were so important to our founders to make this a "christian nation", don't you think they would have written something about christ? Maybe just one sentence? Maybe one reference to the new testament? One little blurb or reference?

This consipracy theory that this nation was founded on "christian principles" doesn't even have one tiny shred of evidence and it is quite frankly laughable.

Lord Shrike · 11-24-2003, 10:36 AM

Lenny your hatred of christians is laughable in a pathetic way. There are references to God all over the place in in writings of the founding fathers. Most Masons are Christian. Most Americans are Christian deal with it.

11-24-2003, 10:51 AM

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Originally posted by Lord Shrike
Lenny your hatred of christians is laughable in a pathetic way. There are references to God all over the place in in writings of the founding fathers. Most Masons are Christian. Most Americans are Christian deal with it.

References to God? Is the term "God" reserved for christianity only? Do Jews not worship God? Do Muslims not worship God? Where, specifically, in the constitution is any mention of Christ? Where is anything mentioned that refers specifically to Christianity? Where? Where? Where?

NRAJOE · 11-24-2003, 11:07 AM

I sure hope you give the God and Christian bashing a break during the Christmas holidays...that would be nice of you.

11-24-2003, 11:15 AM

When the evangelizing and self-victimization stops, I'll stop.

NRAJOE · 11-24-2003, 11:20 AM

Whatever...

PAPA G · 11-24-2003, 11:39 AM

once again the subject quickly morphs to the evils of Chistianity.

it is about going out of our way to accomidate immigrants. last i heard NJ that bastion of Demo/Libs, gives the driver license exam in 27 lanquages!!! is it so the motorvoter law can register more Democraps??? in NJ my daughter made friends with a Chi/com family their daughter, about mines age, was their interpreter!!! and the parents though nice people, had no intrest in learning English. they understood the U.S. money system better than how to ask for a bottle of milk!!!

i don't like it at all, if one chooses to life in another country, than those people need to learn, the language, the system, and how to fit in!!!

11-24-2003, 11:50 AM

PAPA G,
I agree. I agree that immigrants should learn the language. My grandfather came here without knowing a word of english, but he busted hump to pick it up so he could get a job and integrate himself into our society. I think all immigrants should do the same.

What I don't agree with is this idea of forcing Christianity on others according to some myth about christianity in the constitution.

Lord Shrike · 11-24-2003, 03:45 PM

Who is trying to force christianity on anyone one?! I think you have such a bug up your *** about the whole religion that you see this when its just not there. I never claimed there was references to christ in the constitution. However it doesn't exactly take a Einsteinian leap of logic to extrapolate that since just about all of the framers of the constitution were christian that when they refer to god there refering to the god of Judea Christian beleifs. It also is fairly obvious that the consitution is based on many Judeau Christian beliefs. That doesn't make us a theocracy no one here is forced to worship christ. Hell you can worship the sun and moon here if you want you have that right. What I and many other christians find offensive as of late is the fact that when any minority relegion or culture wants to express itself in our schools or parks were told to be "tolerant" of others beliefs but if we try to same thing all we hear screamed at us is seperation of church and state. Kids can't even have a pastor or preist pray with them before a football game because someone might be offended! You have a right to alot of things in this country. The right to not be offended is not one of them however. If you don't like the prayer being said before the game, graduation, meeting ect. than get up and walk away worship in whatever way you choose or not at all but don't make everyone else suffer because you have a problem with there religion. Thats what the Jewish kids did in my school before the game. We had a Lutheran Pastor say a prayer before the game with us. They didn't go running to the ACLU and whine about persection they had more common sense and decency than that. They had there prayer together and we had ours and everyone was fine with it. If I went to a school dominated by Jews or Muslims I wouldn't scream persecution if they wanted to have a Cleric or Rabbi lead a team prayer. I'd probably do what my Jewish teamates did. Hell I'd probably hang around for a couple of the Muslim or Jewish prayers being the tolerant curious sort I am. Now that is religious tolerance and acceptance.

Rufus Rhastus J · 11-25-2003, 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by NRAJOE
I sure hope you give the God and Christian bashing a break during the Christmas holidays...that would be nice of you.

Finally the voice of reason. Thank you, i've been stewing in my own jucies, it ain't a pretty sight. :nod:

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11-23-2003, 06:08 PM	#1
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	Immigrants, Not Americans, Must Adapt After hearing that the state of Florida changed its opinion and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's license with her face covered this is an editorial written by an American citizen, published in a Tampa newspaper. He did quite a job; didn't he? Read on, please! IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants. However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language! "In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture. If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every! citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great American freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

11-23-2003, 11:06 PM	#4
Pumpkinheaver Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,297 Trader Rating: (0)	I have lived here my whole life. I'll be ****ed if I change for some camel jockey!!! __________________ Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you!

11-23-2003, 11:14 PM	#5
Lord Shrike Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: MOOOOOOOOOOO land also known as Wisconsin Posts: 1,103 Trader Rating: (0)	Actually Lenny 90% of the signers of the consitution were Mason's a christian secret society. __________________ Taint nuthin a 12 gauge wont solve

11-24-2003, 12:47 AM	#7
Lord Shrike Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: MOOOOOOOOOOO land also known as Wisconsin Posts: 1,103 Trader Rating: (0)	We wouldn't happen to be a Mason would we? __________________ Taint nuthin a 12 gauge wont solve

11-23-2003, 08:07 PM	#3
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	but you didn't vote no L2...

11-24-2003, 05:47 AM	#9
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	try speaking to someone from England...I guarantee they are speaking a whole 'nother language over there

11-24-2003, 08:01 AM	#10
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Trader Rating: (0)	Hummmmmm........... Are you sure? I live in Fla. and I did not know they allowed her to get away with that. It was my understanding she lost the bid to wear her rag to cover her ugly face. As i understand it, she was a convert to islam and not born into it, if that has anything to do with it. I sure hope those liberal scum bags did'nt give in to her silly demands. __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

11-24-2003, 10:27 AM	#11
Lenny2 Guest Posts: n/a	Masons are NOT christians. Some Masons are christians. And some christians are Masons. But the Masons is not a "christian" organization. If it were so important to our founders to make this a "christian nation", don't you think they would have written something about christ? Maybe just one sentence? Maybe one reference to the new testament? One little blurb or reference? This consipracy theory that this nation was founded on "christian principles" doesn't even have one tiny shred of evidence and it is quite frankly laughable.

11-24-2003, 10:36 AM	#12
Lord Shrike Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: MOOOOOOOOOOO land also known as Wisconsin Posts: 1,103 Trader Rating: (0)	Lenny your hatred of christians is laughable in a pathetic way. There are references to God all over the place in in writings of the founding fathers. Most Masons are Christian. Most Americans are Christian deal with it. __________________ Taint nuthin a 12 gauge wont solve

11-24-2003, 11:07 AM	#14
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 18,999 Trader Rating: (0)	I sure hope you give the God and Christian bashing a break during the Christmas holidays...that would be nice of you. __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

11-24-2003, 11:15 AM	#15
Lenny2 Guest Posts: n/a	When the evangelizing and self-victimization stops, I'll stop.

11-24-2003, 11:20 AM	#16
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 18,999 Trader Rating: (0)	Whatever... __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

11-24-2003, 11:39 AM	#17
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12 Trader Rating: (0)	THIS IS BULL DINKY!!! PURE AND SIMPLE!!!! once again the subject quickly morphs to the evils of Chistianity. it is about going out of our way to accomidate immigrants. last i heard NJ that bastion of Demo/Libs, gives the driver license exam in 27 lanquages!!! is it so the motorvoter law can register more Democraps??? in NJ my daughter made friends with a Chi/com family their daughter, about mines age, was their interpreter!!! and the parents though nice people, had no intrest in learning English. they understood the U.S. money system better than how to ask for a bottle of milk!!! i don't like it at all, if one chooses to life in another country, than those people need to learn, the language, the system, and how to fit in!!!

11-24-2003, 11:50 AM	#18
Lenny2 Guest Posts: n/a	PAPA G, I agree. I agree that immigrants should learn the language. My grandfather came here without knowing a word of english, but he busted hump to pick it up so he could get a job and integrate himself into our society. I think all immigrants should do the same. What I don't agree with is this idea of forcing Christianity on others according to some myth about christianity in the constitution.

11-24-2003, 03:45 PM	#19
Lord Shrike Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: MOOOOOOOOOOO land also known as Wisconsin Posts: 1,103 Trader Rating: (0)	Who is trying to force christianity on anyone one?! I think you have such a bug up your *** about the whole religion that you see this when its just not there. I never claimed there was references to christ in the constitution. However it doesn't exactly take a Einsteinian leap of logic to extrapolate that since just about all of the framers of the constitution were christian that when they refer to god there refering to the god of Judea Christian beleifs. It also is fairly obvious that the consitution is based on many Judeau Christian beliefs. That doesn't make us a theocracy no one here is forced to worship christ. Hell you can worship the sun and moon here if you want you have that right. What I and many other christians find offensive as of late is the fact that when any minority relegion or culture wants to express itself in our schools or parks were told to be "tolerant" of others beliefs but if we try to same thing all we hear screamed at us is seperation of church and state. Kids can't even have a pastor or preist pray with them before a football game because someone might be offended! You have a right to alot of things in this country. The right to not be offended is not one of them however. If you don't like the prayer being said before the game, graduation, meeting ect. than get up and walk away worship in whatever way you choose or not at all but don't make everyone else suffer because you have a problem with there religion. Thats what the Jewish kids did in my school before the game. We had a Lutheran Pastor say a prayer before the game with us. They didn't go running to the ACLU and whine about persection they had more common sense and decency than that. They had there prayer together and we had ours and everyone was fine with it. If I went to a school dominated by Jews or Muslims I wouldn't scream persecution if they wanted to have a Cleric or Rabbi lead a team prayer. I'd probably do what my Jewish teamates did. Hell I'd probably hang around for a couple of the Muslim or Jewish prayers being the tolerant curious sort I am. Now that is religious tolerance and acceptance. __________________ Taint nuthin a 12 gauge wont solve