C&r License ???

PAPA G · 12-17-2003, 08:37 PM

i believe some where on the form the local P.D. cheif has to review the application, and sign his approval. am i correct???

our Cheif has been busted for taking bribes, extortion etc. his replacement lasted a month and was indicted on similar charges.

would this invalidate the license??? ya think???

Dale · 12-18-2003, 12:12 AM

I think Papa that you only have to send a copy to the Chief Police Officer informing him/her of your application.

I might be wrong but that's the way I see it.

I got my green form in the mail today. Took only two days to get up here from Phoenix.

But, I was thinking someone on another post said you had to submit three different forms? I asked (on call messaging) for all three but only got the green form.

Dale · 12-18-2003, 12:18 AM

Yeah, Jerry said, in the other post, I also need forms 1370.3 and 5330.20 and I have no idea what those are or what they're for.

I'll have to research it, I guess.

Dale · 12-18-2003, 12:46 AM

I found form 5330.20 and it's 'Certification of Compliance with 18 U.S.C. 922 (g)(5)(B)'.

Basically it asks for someone to certify your citizenship.

Dang.

Am I supposed to send this to my mother...or who?

I dunno, lol.

Just curious why the ATF didn't send this to me.

I still haven't found the other document though and it wasn't on BATF site that I could find.

NRAJOE · 12-18-2003, 01:20 AM

All I got was the main form, and the one you send to your CLEO. Its pretty much honor system, you could say you sent it and don't, but I didn't want to take the chance. Your CLEO only replies if you have something on your record that he feels would stop you from getting your license. If I can get one, almost anyone can!

7mmag6 · 12-18-2003, 01:26 AM

http://www.cruffler.com/becomingcruffler.html actually its very easy joe posted this for me some time back its not hard but you better not have any felonies, ive never even got stopped by the po for anything no speeding, no dui then its easy, i did have a parking ticket once, i thought id add to this no dosmetic violence, no high misdomeaners, no drug convictions, no alchohol convictions, then its easy

NRAJOE · 12-18-2003, 01:47 AM

Then its the poorhouse!

7mmag6 · 12-18-2003, 02:00 AM

joe is right it could be a problem just be honest no problem with me i dont drink dont smoke, no arrests for any thing, im a good boy, it took me 3 weeks for my c&r

Dale · 12-18-2003, 11:16 AM

Thanks, Joe, for the info.

I'll disregard the other two forms Jerry mentioned and mail this double green puppy off then.

Dale · 12-18-2003, 01:08 PM

Papa (and anyone else interested),

Being the cautious person I am I called the Phoenix field office and spoke with a young lady (gosh...I wonder if she looks as good as she sounded...mmmm) and here is the real skinny.

The green form (5310.16) is the only form needed if the license is to only collect and privately sell C&R guns.

The second page, for the Chief LEO is just sent to whomever is the first in line as the community chief.....be it Chief of Police if you live in a municipality or Sheriff if you live outside of a municipality. No one there has to apporve or sign the form.

The Certification of Compliance with 18 U.S.C. 922 (g)(5)(B) or "Certification of Citizenship' form is only if you are applying for a dealer's license.

The other form Jerry mentioned was an old form (1370.3 - sometimes still used until depletion by some offices) is merely for written request of certain various forms versus calling for them.

I hope that clears it up.

PAPA G · 12-18-2003, 01:39 PM

but don't you think that if the CLEO that signed is crooked the BATF might recall those licenses for review??? thats my thinking on the subject.

could you imagine BATF SWAT tearing up some ones house, because of a bad CLEO signature!!!

NRAJOE · 12-18-2003, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by PAPA G
but don't you think that if the CLEO that signed is crooked the BATF might recall those licenses for review??? thats my thinking on the subject.

could you imagine BATF SWAT tearing up some ones house, because of a bad CLEO signature!!!

Don't be so paranoid!

Dale · 12-18-2003, 03:23 PM

Has the CLEO been accused...charged...indicted...sentenced?

If not I would think the BATF would surely give him or her the benefit of the doubt.

If you want send it to the next person up the ladder, i. e., Sheriff rather than a Chief Of Police.

You're still covered. I think the main thing is the BATF wants to allow for local input on the license if the locals wanna.

I really don't think the BATF cares who...as long as it's someone with local knowledge of crime data bases they might overlook during the background check.

7mmag6 · 12-19-2003, 12:12 AM

joe is right its not that hard to get, however if you have dosmetic violence charges thats the big thing, or felonies, or high misdomeaners like resisting arrest, or threats to your neighbors, than its a breeze, remember they have a digital clearing house, your record if you have one is on a national computer base, and will fowl up attempts for a c&r license I had no problem

12-17-2003, 08:37 PM	#1
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 11	C&r License ??? i believe some where on the form the local P.D. cheif has to review the application, and sign his approval. am i correct??? our Cheif has been busted for taking bribes, extortion etc. his replacement lasted a month and was indicted on similar charges. would this invalidate the license??? ya think???

12-18-2003, 12:12 AM	#2
Dale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Too Dang Hot, Arizona Posts: 4,284	I think Papa that you only have to send a copy to the Chief Police Officer informing him/her of your application. I might be wrong but that's the way I see it. I got my green form in the mail today. Took only two days to get up here from Phoenix. But, I was thinking someone on another post said you had to submit three different forms? I asked (on call messaging) for all three but only got the green form. __________________ "It confuses me how some people can vigorously go against the 2nd. Amendment and still call themselves patriotic"-me

12-18-2003, 12:18 AM	#3
Dale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Too Dang Hot, Arizona Posts: 4,284	Yeah, Jerry said, in the other post, I also need forms 1370.3 and 5330.20 and I have no idea what those are or what they're for. I'll have to research it, I guess. __________________ "It confuses me how some people can vigorously go against the 2nd. Amendment and still call themselves patriotic"-me

12-18-2003, 12:46 AM	#4
Dale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Too Dang Hot, Arizona Posts: 4,284	I found form 5330.20 and it's 'Certification of Compliance with 18 U.S.C. 922 (g)(5)(B)'. Basically it asks for someone to certify your citizenship. Dang. Am I supposed to send this to my mother...or who? I dunno, lol. Just curious why the ATF didn't send this to me. I still haven't found the other document though and it wasn't on BATF site that I could find. __________________ "It confuses me how some people can vigorously go against the 2nd. Amendment and still call themselves patriotic"-me

12-18-2003, 01:20 AM	#5
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,256 Images: 3	All I got was the main form, and the one you send to your CLEO. Its pretty much honor system, you could say you sent it and don't, but I didn't want to take the chance. Your CLEO only replies if you have something on your record that he feels would stop you from getting your license. If I can get one, almost anyone can! __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

12-18-2003, 01:26 AM	#6
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 337 Images: 1	http://www.cruffler.com/becomingcruffler.html actually its very easy joe posted this for me some time back its not hard but you better not have any felonies, ive never even got stopped by the po for anything no speeding, no dui then its easy, i did have a parking ticket once, i thought id add to this no dosmetic violence, no high misdomeaners, no drug convictions, no alchohol convictions, then its easy __________________ This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine Last edited by 7mmag6; 12-18-2003 at 01:41 AM.

12-18-2003, 01:47 AM	#7
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,256 Images: 3	Then its the poorhouse! __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

12-18-2003, 02:00 AM	#8
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 337 Images: 1	joe is right it could be a problem just be honest no problem with me i dont drink dont smoke, no arrests for any thing, im a good boy, it took me 3 weeks for my c&r __________________ This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine

12-18-2003, 11:16 AM	#9
Dale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Too Dang Hot, Arizona Posts: 4,284	Thanks, Joe, for the info. I'll disregard the other two forms Jerry mentioned and mail this double green puppy off then. __________________ "It confuses me how some people can vigorously go against the 2nd. Amendment and still call themselves patriotic"-me

12-18-2003, 01:08 PM	#10
Dale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Too Dang Hot, Arizona Posts: 4,284	Papa (and anyone else interested), Being the cautious person I am I called the Phoenix field office and spoke with a young lady (gosh...I wonder if she looks as good as she sounded...mmmm) and here is the real skinny. The green form (5310.16) is the only form needed if the license is to only collect and privately sell C&R guns. The second page, for the Chief LEO is just sent to whomever is the first in line as the community chief.....be it Chief of Police if you live in a municipality or Sheriff if you live outside of a municipality. No one there has to apporve or sign the form. The Certification of Compliance with 18 U.S.C. 922 (g)(5)(B) or "Certification of Citizenship' form is only if you are applying for a dealer's license. The other form Jerry mentioned was an old form (1370.3 - sometimes still used until depletion by some offices) is merely for written request of certain various forms versus calling for them. I hope that clears it up. __________________ "It confuses me how some people can vigorously go against the 2nd. Amendment and still call themselves patriotic"-me

12-18-2003, 01:39 PM	#11
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 11	but don't you think that if the CLEO that signed is crooked the BATF might recall those licenses for review??? thats my thinking on the subject. could you imagine BATF SWAT tearing up some ones house, because of a bad CLEO signature!!!

12-18-2003, 03:23 PM	#13
Dale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Too Dang Hot, Arizona Posts: 4,284	Has the CLEO been accused...charged...indicted...sentenced? If not I would think the BATF would surely give him or her the benefit of the doubt. If you want send it to the next person up the ladder, i. e., Sheriff rather than a Chief Of Police. You're still covered. I think the main thing is the BATF wants to allow for local input on the license if the locals wanna. I really don't think the BATF cares who...as long as it's someone with local knowledge of crime data bases they might overlook during the background check. __________________ "It confuses me how some people can vigorously go against the 2nd. Amendment and still call themselves patriotic"-me Last edited by Dale; 12-18-2003 at 03:26 PM.

12-19-2003, 12:12 AM	#14
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 337 Images: 1	joe is right its not that hard to get, however if you have dosmetic violence charges thats the big thing, or felonies, or high misdomeaners like resisting arrest, or threats to your neighbors, than its a breeze, remember they have a digital clearing house, your record if you have one is on a national computer base, and will fowl up attempts for a c&r license I had no problem __________________ This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine