Old 01-01-2004, 11:45 PM   #1
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?? any good

are these guns any good
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Old 01-01-2004, 11:49 PM   #2
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well it looks like the picture didn't come out but the guns i am talking about are the Kel-Tec sub2000 and the su-16 rifles.
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Old 01-01-2004, 11:56 PM   #3
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I've heard good and bad about them, leaning more to the bad side. I can't remember the complaints other than poor accuracy and something about takedown or cleaning, but the "cool looks" factor is pretty high. Seems like they are a little pricey as well. One mag tested it against a Ruger and a High Point and the High Point won hands down.
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Old 01-02-2004, 12:40 AM   #4
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what I have heard about the keltec is that they are prone to jamming so be careful - if you want a pistol carbine buy a carbine slide for the 1911 and your all set
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Old 01-02-2004, 08:12 AM   #5
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Technical Specifications
Calibers: 9 mm Luger, .40 S&W
Weight unloaded 4.0lbs. 1.8 kg
Length open 29.5" 749 mm
Length closed 16" 406 mm
Barrel length 16.1" 408 mm
Aperture rear, circular hood
adjustable front
Practical range/over 150yds 150 m
Rifle features an internal keyed
deployment lock.
Rifle can be reduced to a size of
16" x 7" to facilitate secure storage. 406 x 178 mm

INTRODUCTION
The SUB-2000 is a self-loading carbine for pistol cartridges. Different versions of the SUB-2000 will accept most modern handgun magazines, see below for a complete list. The SUB-2000 has a greatly extended range compared to a handgun. The superior precision is also very useful against small or partially covered targets at shorter range. The amount of training to master the SUB-2000 is only a fraction of that required for a handgun.

The SUB RIFLE-2000 has been developed from our highly successful SUB 9 rifle. Although retaining some features of the old rifle, the SUB-2000 is a completely new design. Emphasis has been put on consumer safety, but without impeding the performance. Polymers are used to a large extent, resulting in increased durability and reduced price. The SUB-2000 is available in 9 mm Luger and .40 S&W.

The bolt can be locked in the rear position by the operating handle. The main safety is of protected push bolt type disconnecting the trigger bar and interlocking the hammer and sear. By rotating the barrel upwards and back, the SUB 2000 can be reduced to a size of 16" x 7" to facilitate secure storage and utilize the internal deployment lock which is operated by a proprietary key. The rear sight is of aperture type and the fluorescent front sight can be adjusted for windage and elevation.The SUB-2000 can easily be disassembled without tools for cleaning or inspection.

CONSTRUCTION
The SUB-2000 has six main component groups: barrel, bolt, frame, firing mechanism, stock, and magazine. The barrel is made of SAE 4130 Ordnance steel and attaches permanently to the front sight and hinge assembly. A forend is attached to the barrel by Phillips head screws.

The bolt head is casehardened steel, and contains the firing pin and the extractor. The bolt extends backwards and houses the recoil spring assembly and operating handle.

The frame is injection molded in two halves, the left side holding the ejector and serial number. The frame houses the firing mechanism, forms the grip and encloses the barrel hinge and stock tube. The trigger connects via a transfer bar to the sear. The hammer is driven by double torsion spring. A recessed push bolt safety disconnects the trigger bar and locks the sear into the hammer. The functioning of the mechanism surpasses all applicable SAAMI safety standards.

The butt stock and tube also form the housing for the reciprocating bolt assembly.

The SUB-2000 is normally supplied with one 10 round magazine according to the version.



CAUTION!-DO NOT USE ALUMINUM CASED AMMUNITION WITH THE SUB-2000 RIFLE.
Doing so could result in malfunctions.

Visit our downloads section to download the instruction manual for the SUB-2000


The SUB-2000 is available in the following versions only:
9mm: Glock 17, Glock 19, S&W 59, Beretta 92, SIG 226
.40 Cal: Glock 22, S&W 4006, Beretta 96, SIG 229


SUGGESTED RETAIL PRICES
Description Price
SUB 2000 $383.00

http://www.kel-tec.com/prod03.htm
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Old 01-02-2004, 08:17 AM   #6
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KEL-TEC 5.56 mm SU-16 SPORT UTILITY RIFLE

INTRODUCTION
The name is not an attempt to capitalize on a popular concept but is a truly appropriate designation.

The SU-16 is a gas operated, self-loading rifle in .223 Remington caliber. Several unique features make the SU-16 a versatile sporting firearm.

~An integrated Picatinny rail for mounting different sight systems.

~The forend folds down to form a bipod for increased accuracy.

~The stock can store spare magazines. Two 10 rounds clips or one 20 or 30 rounds.

~The stock and trigger mechanism can be folded forward for added safety and to facilitate secure storage or carry under extreme conditions.



The SU-16 has a conventional gas piston operation and utilizes the proven M-16 breech locking system. It is compatible with standard M-16 magazines. The reciprocating bolt handle and magazine catch are on the right side, while the push bolt safety can be changed to work from either side.



Except for barrel, bolt and mechanism the SU-16 is made entirely of high impact reinforced polymer.



Technical Specifications


Caliber: .223 Rem 5.56mm
Weight unloaded: 5.0lbs. 2.3kg
Length open: 37.4" 950.0mm
Length closed: 26.4" 670.6mm
Barrel length: 18.4" 467.4mm
Magazine capacity: 10 rounds 10 rounds
Barrel diameter: 3/4" to 5/8" 19.1mm to 15.9mm
Twist: 1:9" 1:228.6mm
Bolt travel: 4.1" 104mm
trigger pull: 5lbs. to 7lbs. 22.2N to 31.1N
Barrel weight: 26.1oz. 738.8g


MSRP: $640.00
Available in 2003


For More Information Contact:

KEL-TEC CNC INDUSTRIES INC
1475 Cox Road Cocoa FL 32926
Tel: 321-631-0068
FAX: 321-631-1169
Internet: aimkeltec@aol.com
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Old 01-02-2004, 12:31 PM   #7
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thanks joe !!! that's what i was trying to post but couldn't get it to do right.but anyway i seen the kel-tec .9mm sub in my local gun store and it was selling for 295.00 the price was close to the highpoint but the looks are better than the highpoint carbine.
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Old 01-02-2004, 12:41 PM   #8
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I'd get one if I seen one on a shelf around here...be a good truck gun!
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Old 01-02-2004, 01:46 PM   #9
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looks like it would be alot of fun to shoot. the one they have for sale in the gun shop by my house has a colapsible stock on it .
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Old 01-02-2004, 01:48 PM   #10
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Gonna get it? Looks like a dam good price....
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Old 01-02-2004, 07:36 PM   #11
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Kel-Tec Sub2000 - "just say NO!"


Sorry, personal prejudice coming to the fore . . . but I hate those things. It's only real claim-to-fame is the folding feature - and you lose that if you install an optical sight or scope (necessary due to those horrid, atrocious, Gawd-aweful "sights").
Did I mention I don't like these abominations?

Get a Hi-Point Carbine. More reliable, more accurate, and it fits a person of more than sub-small stature. It's also half the price.
The extra C-note buys a lot of cheap 9mm ammo.
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Old 01-02-2004, 09:14 PM   #12
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I haven't read all of the above, but I remember that Kel-Tec made the carbines so that they could function off of several different specific pistol magazines.

I'm with Shaun though, if you have a 1911, get the carbine conversion kit.

My only experience with Kel-Tec left me an a detective bleeding at the range.
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Old 01-02-2004, 09:28 PM   #13
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well i was setting my sights on getting one . thats was until all ya'll done put ya'lls two cents in on it . i guess it was the looks of the gun that caught my eye. to bad highpoint don't make a stock like it i mean the design of the gun . but i guess i'll start savin for the highpoint. my little .9mm highpoint hasn't givin me any problems what so ever uther than running out of bullets thanks for all the coments on the kel-tec
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