I'm wondering what the hunting and tactical situations would be where each one would be preferable over the other. Would the 35 Rem be any more potent in some situations if it was loaded with a lighter, faster bullet, perhaps a 9mm or 357 hollowpoint or hydrashok?
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You know me BR, I'm a heavy proponent for .308. Availability, range, wide choice of bullet profiles and weights etc., wide range of arms chambered for .308. A 1000 to 1200 rnd case of surplus is between $120 to $180 depending. There has been some Portugese .308 surplus around before and word is that there is some more in country right now - that's good stuff! Consistant bullet weights and powder, very accurate for surplus ammo.
I just feel that the 7.62X51 is more a flexible round than the .35.
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Oh, I love 308, don't get me wrong. And a spent case is as much of 35 Remington as I have. I was just wondering what hunting and tactical situations would favor each one. I think I'll have to pick up some port 308 if i find any soon. Might even take the plunge and get a case.
But is there any situation where 35 Remington might be better than 308? Close range shots through brush? Certain critters?
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I have a 35 Rem Contender. It's the 14" barrel variety. At 200 yds it's devastating. You can knock down a whitetail with it. In my opinion,(scary words) I think it's better than a 308 at around 50 to 150 yards. A big slow 200 to 220 grain hunting bullet has a lot of power. The 308 usually is loaded in the 150 to 170 grain range. However, I believe the 35 is not as accurate and it would be a mistake to go beyond 200 yds. Your choice of rifles is not the best, semi-autos and lever guns are about it.
I have loaded 180 grain bullets and 158 grain bullets. The 180 works well because it is designed for the faster velocities. The 158 grain bullets are not designed for these fast speeds and can come apart. You can down load them but one may as well shoot a 357 mag. I normally shoot 200 gr bullets and after a couple of hours at the range, you are ready to lay it down for a while.
In order to keep from getting lynched, I need to report I have more 308 rifles than any other. There are six of them to be exact.
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For absolute accuracy you will find that each rifle will like it's own round and load. If you have three different .308's lined up on the bench, each one will shoot the same load a little different. My .308 Savage likes a Nozzler 155gr ballistic tip - which is actually supposed to be a good varmint round. Thinking thia was the bullet that answered all the questions I loaded some heavier ballistic tip Noz's for my .300 Win Mag Remington and it was OK but not perfect - understand we're talking 1000 to 1200 yds here. I had heard that the Hornady V-Max's were inconsistant on weight and shape but thought what the hey, I'll try it. As it turns out the Rem likes a heavier Hornady, showed a big difference. Also Barnes makes some nice printing bullets, big selection in .30 cal, but their X bullets are solid copper - no lead core. They fly true for a long way but for critter purposes I'm not sure how they fare? Any insight on the barnes projectiles Shaun?
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So would 35 Rem be better on say black bears at <150yd than 308? What about wild hogs? Mountain lions?
I've been told that 35 Rem is a very very very bad idea for grizzlies, worse than 30-30, because the wide slow bullet slows faster and penetrates less, resulting in inadequate damage to a grizzley.
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BR, for some reason I can see you're stuck on the .35 Rem. You get busy and get you a stick and a box of bullets and I guarantee you that your buddies here on G&G will find you something to kill with it! We're all here to help you Bro.!
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Reason for 35 Remington is I think I found a way to make it work in a standard AK action with nothing but a barrel and magazine change. I'm looking into doing a conversion of a single stack AK since they're cheapest (except for Saigas) and already single stack, which is what the mags would have to be. Plus I'd have a harder time emotionally cutting up a Saiga than cutting up a WASR-10.
Reason I asked is that though my primary purpose is for an experimental tactical carbine concept, it wouldn't go anywhere with 35 Remington if it wasn't good for hunting. Thus far most of the reasons people seem to buy 35 Remington chambered guns is that they want a lever action a step up from 30-30 for a close price.
Sadly, such a project will have to wait until my AR project is covered. Got priorities and a schedule.
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Max - I only use Barnes in the 375 H&H but I can verify that a 168gr Nos or Sierra target BTHP is excellent in the 308 for 1000 - I get consistent subminute groups using 45grains of IMR4895 with either of the 168's . In the 375 with a barnes XLC I have recorded several hits at 1400 yards the average 3rd group was 1.5 to 2 inches if I remember right.
Go for it Shaun! Actually I think the solid comp of the Barnes is supposed to help it retain mass? Unless it goes all the wat through - a possibility for sure, if you find it there should be a good bit left.
Hey BR, I was just pokin at ya a little bit, I guess you figured that. I fully understand the engineer in you demanding your creativity, that's what it's all about!
After seeing a lot of your work here I would imagine that you are familiar with John Lazzeroni. If not, do a search and see what Lazzeroni is about. As far as building hot rod bullets and big sticks to carry 'em in, John Lazzeroni is the King! Check the ballistics of his7.82 Battlestar or the "Biba" - the .475 BIBAMUFU. The .475 moves a 500gr Barnes XLC at around 2725 fps which comes out to about 4 tons of muzzle energy. Makes my should ache just thinkng about it!
I know you are looking at smaller adaptable stuff but I can't help but believe that Lazzeroni will catch your attention.
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Should I assume it's 308 caliber? If so, how does it compare with the Warbird and Patriot?
In any case, I'm a BattleStar Galactica fan, (the original, haven't seen the recent miniseries but am told it's crrrrraaap), so I may have to check it out for that reason. It would be the coolost thing to package bullets in a box with a battlestar on it.
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Max I plan to use the 375 on a Brownie hunt in AK in 2006 --this is where I will recover the bullet the deer is a guaranteed through and through -- I have yet to recover a bullet from any deer I have killed all have went through and through even the 6x45mm with 90grainers did
Right BR, it's a .30 cal 150gr Lazzeroni LazerHead bullet - about (YOUCH) 4000fps!
Specs show maximum point blank range on a 6" target at 382 yds, considering a 326-yd zero. At 382 yds it should still be moving over 3000fps and yeild over 3000 ft-lbs of energy. Lazzeroni predicts barrel life at about 1000 rounds. I don't think I would want to try this load in a 20 rnd select fire weapon in 3rd gear for sure! If they thought the M-14 was uncontrollable in full auto, this load in a battlerifle would make it seem tame, whatta ya think?
That's what I figured on the 375 on a whitetail Shaun - unless you hit him straight on in the chest and it didn't make it to his as-!
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