[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Inter Ordnance an import company located in Monroe NC was busted by BATF for illegally importing, and selling machine gun parts not cut to BATF specifications.

They have recieved alot of flack from C&R holders for certain practices that some claim to be misleading or false advertising and sorry customer service.

What goes around comes around I guess. I would have hated to be on that list of buyers for those kits.

[Shaun]

!!!! I was planning on getting a druganov from them this year

[toolman]

That all came about because the BATF changed the rules in the middle of the ballgame without telling anyone. There were several other companies that were affected as well-some of who had millions of dollars worth of parts confiscated even though they had complied with the guidelines until the nazis sucker-punched 'em by changing the rules. Neal Knox had an article about it in Shotgun News a couple of months ago. It may still be up @ www.nealknox.com FWIW, I always dealt with them in person instead of mail-order, but I always got excellent service and quality from them.

[Big Dog]

I have had good dealings with IO. Got the ten-pack of "used HK Aluminum magazines" and all were either new unused or barely used like-new - for $1.95 each! Bought some other stuff from them, and have always been well pleased. Good service, fast shipping, excellent products.
The BATFE is at fault here - the Bastages are playing games with the rules.

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Here is the Press Release. You decide.

http://www.atf.gov/press/fy04press/f...erordnance.htm

[toolman]

Sounds like another hack job by the ATF to me. I know that the first time I visited, Oliver W. took me on a tour of the warehouse and let me play with anything I wanted to. He showed me the PPSH-41 kits that were being built into semi-autos and the FAL's as well, didn't seem to be concerned with hiding anything. It'll be a real loss to gun owners if they go down as they have a large warehouse full of very neat stuff that will be destroyed if it is confiscated.

[MAX7.62]

AS I understand it this has been going on for a few months. The whole deal with the trumped up charges of "selling unregistered machine guns" as far as the FAL's go was the simple fact that they forgot to remove the center piece of the reciever after the three BATF mandated cuts.
Now raise your hands, how many of us here are good enough to weld a BATF regulation cut reciever back together into a working firearm?
I know a guy in the next big city where the feds storm trooped into his house and confiscated his FAL parts kit because of the above listed reasoning. If you don't believe we are in serious jepardy of becoming a police state, you should sit down and talk to this guy - and realize we're already there. In short:
1 - They kicked his door in
2 - Told him his rights didn't matter or apply to them
3 - "we're the federal govt., we don't need a warrant" - that's a scary one!
4 - Show us all your guns & we'll take what we don't think is right.
!!!!! Had the complete list of his recent purchases - over the last 5 years, mostly from NICS check info database!!!!! - did I miss something or weren't we told that this wasn't a secret illegal federal gun registration operation, it's to make sure bad guys can't buy guns?
SO in case your a staunch democrat ready to vote the same blood line as Klinton and Goreski back into office - see 1 thru 3 above and tell me again how much the dems are concerned about your rights as an American? As far as I'm concerned we are being invaded by an invisible army. The dems and liberals are the foot soldier of the alliance of whats left of the communists and radical muslim extremists - and they're too complacant and stupid to understand that. Lets all be warm and fuzzy, I'm OK, you're OK, and when the feds whom we have given the power to disreguard or rights kick in OUR door we'll love them too and insist they stay for coffee and muffins.
Too bad for IO, seems that the good 'ol American dream sorta went sour for them. Wonder if they were Korean or Pakistani if they would be making headlines - of course instead of the gun parts business they would have had a 7-11 store or cheap hotel - anyway - wonder what actually happened that set it all in motion?
Something simple like one of the owners popping off to one of the feds during a regular visit after questioning certain boundries being overstepped and rights being ignored ( see 1 through 3 above)? Some simple comment to set the $27,000 dollar a year college grad fed guy in the WalMart suit into that classic "let me show this poor idiot how I can ruin his life over nothing - because I'm the government"! routine.
If this seems too far fetched to your sensibilities then it's the old standard of "if I have to explain you wouldn't understand". you've already been had, or brainwashed - whichever you prefer.

Keep the flag flying, it still waves mightyly in the wind, but the staff that it's hanging from has termites!

[toolman]

I can't find the article that I was looking for-guess I'll have to dig through all of my old SGN's to find it. It also mentioned one guy getting in trouble for having a barrel full of the "bad" center receiver pieces that they removed from the parts kits to make them compliant before sale. It really pizzes me off when someone tries to comply with these jerks and then gets drilled anyway!

[Shaun]

Looks like the storm troopers are at it again after reading the information from the batf

[Doglips]

Were forgeting the Gun owners that purchased these kits and are now on the ATF !!!!! list....gona be some folks getting ATF looking them over and trying to pin something on them....Thats a lot of people (3500 according to that press release)who are gona get a midnight visit from ATF....and probly No Knock warrents because the have "mechine guns"(parts will be omited from the warrent).... IT is not a good thing no matter how you look at it.....

[7mmag6]

thier website is still up-- and advertising unissued sks's for 109 bucks hmmmmm---Id like one of those but i dont know after the hot water they are in

[Shaun]

I am questiong that purchase from the I was thinking of -- don't want any dealings with the ATF even is what I want isn't something they are mentioning

[PAPA G]

the big one, where are these guns demilled??? overseas or here, if everything was done as BATF requires why the hubbub???
if everything did not meet requirements, why not doesn't ssomebody check them first.

anyone know the exact procedures from country of origions to importer to final customer???

[Chris]

Whether you agree with the laws that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms are required to enforce, it is the law. If the Wiegand brothers did not abide by the cuts of the rules of destruction of the receiver and other laws that are required to import and distribute these parts kits, this will start a discussion in Washington to further tighten the laws of our freedoms.

We must abide by the laws, because it is the law. If you want to change the law, lobby to get it changed, don’t break it. If we do not abide by the law, we too are criminals.

Personally I do not want people who cannot legally own firearms to have in their possession any firearm. Let alone a parts kit with a little ingenuity could have a fully automatic weapon. How hard would it have to been for the Wiegand brothers to not send the extra part and follow the rules so law-biding citizens could enjoy.

This is ammunition for Schumeer. Do I agree with it, no, but we must abide by the laws.

This was a two year investigation. This was not a matter of trying to enforcing the law, only to try to tighten the laws that govern us.

[MAX7.62]

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Let alone a parts kit with a little ingenuity could have a fully automatic weapon. How hard would it have to been for the Wiegand brothers to not send the extra part and follow the rules so law-biding citizens could enjoy.

Uhh? Chris? I've never seen a "parts kit" from anybody that didn't have all the auto or select fire parts in it? Notice that "NFA rules apply" is poated in the ads or catalog wih them - I mean heck, you can order auto trigger parts from Tapco or any number of companies. IO is a good example of why I think it would be stupid to order any of these parts for any innocent reason because big brother is probably monitoring all their sales - although it's perfectly legal to sell and buy them - just don't put 'em together.

And as I said above, I would like to meet the guy who could weld a reciever back together in working form. I agree, it's the rules that the middle cut out piece of the reciever is supposed to be left out but it proves once more how ignorant the rule makers are as far as the subject matter goes - once they're cut ya just can't put 'em back together. Why would someone set on building an illegal NFA weapon even want to try to re-assemble or re-weld a reciever anyway, you can buy new recievers?

True, the BATF guys have a set of rules to enforce whether they agree with them or not.

[Chris]

If you have a 3 piece reciever it is a lot easier than you might suspect. It would take time and a lot of work spacing it out, but it can be done.