calico firearm's

tommy · 02-12-2004, 01:27 PM

has anyone ever shot or heard of these gun's.i was lookin at the gun store today and saw a.22 calico pistol with 100 round capacity mag. they look alittle wierd but or they any good mem.tcon.net/users/5010/5491/m-110.htm??

tommy · 02-12-2004, 02:50 PM

Calico M960 submachine gun (USA)

Calico M960 9mm submachine gun with 50 rounds magazine, collapsed butt and front grip

Calico 9mm semiautomatic "carbine" with 100 rounds magazine

Calico M950 9mm "pistol" with 50 rounds magazine

Calico M100 .22LR (5.6mm rimfire) pistol with 100 rounds magazine. Note ejection port on the right side, characteristic round handguards, front sight and flash hider.

cut-out drawing of the Calico M950 pistol, showing its general layout and feed system

drawing from original patent, protecting the large-capacity magazine for 9mm Calico firearms (.22LR magazines were of slightly different design and thus were protected by another patent)

Data for Calico M960 submachine gun
Caliber: 9x19mm Luger/Para
Weight: 2.17 kg empty
Length (stock closed/open): 647 / 835 mm
Barrel length: 330 mm
Rate of fire: 750 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 50 or 100 rounds

The Calico submachine guns are somewhat mysterious and quite notorious in both design, concept and appearance. The key properties of Calico firearms were extremely large magazine capacity combined with slim profile and ambidextrous handling. First designs, introduced by the US based company Calico Light Weapon Systems (LWS) circa 1990, were intended for both Law Enforcement and Military markets (in either semi-auto or selective fired form, in 9mm) and for civilian market (semi-auto only, in pistol or carbine form, in 9mm and .22LR versions). Sales of these guns were not so bright, and the US Assault Weapons Ban of 1994, which limited magazine capacity for civilian guns to 10 rounds, further impacted the future of this weapon. Apparently, military and police sales during late 1990s were insufficient, and it seems that the Calico LWS company went out of business.

Original design of the helical, large capacity magazine was invented by the Michael Miller and Warren Stockton by the 1985, and refined by the 1988. Calico company produced 2 basic designs, one in .22LR (models 100, 105 and 110), and another in 9mm Luger (models 900, 950, 960, Liberty). 9mm models could be easily distinguished by the ejection chute, located just ahead of the triggerguard, and opened to the bottom. .22LR models, on the other hand, have trigger guards with slim front edge, and ejection ports on the side of receivers.

Technical description.
The 9mm Calico submachine guns were delayed blowback operated, selective fire weapons. The action is based on the two part, roller delayed blowback bolt system, initially designed by Ludwig Vorgrimler at the Mauser Werke by the end of WW2, and latter refined and promoted by the Heckler & Koch company in its G3 series rifles and MP5 series submachine guns. One interesting feature of Calico submachine guns is that the spent cases are ejected straight down, through the ejection chute at the front of the trigger guard. This, along with the ambidextrous safety / selector switch, located at the front of the trigger guard, make the gun ambidextrous, but bottom ejection caused danger to the shooter in the case of improper two-hands grip - if the supporting hand will come too close to the trigger guard, ejected cases can cause burns and damage to the holding palm. The charging handle is located at the left side of the gun, just ahead and above the trigger, and does not move when gun is fired. It also must be pointed out, that the .22LR versions of the Calico guns had the ejection port at the right side of the receiver, above the pistol grip.

The most interesting feature of the Calico firearms is the top-mounted, cylindrical magazine of impressive capacity. Made mostly of plastics, this magazine contains a helical guide grooves at its "inner" cylindrical wall, with the rotating central "follower", that causes the cartridges to follow the helical track inside the cylinder. The follower is operated by the spiral spring, located at the rear of the cylinder. Magazine is equipped with winding handle, so it can be stored loaded and with unwound spring, to avoid loss of spring tension during the storage time. When required, magazine spring could be quickly wound up by rotating the handle to prepare magazine for fire. Magazines for Calico guns can store 50 or 100 rounds in relatively compact packages.

Another interesting feature of all 9mm and some .22LR Calico guns is that while the adjustable front sight is mounted on the trapezoid block on the weapon itself, the rear sight is formed as the part of the plastic magazine shell. Calico firearms in submachine or carbine form could be fitted with retractable butt and / or forward pistol grip. Calico "pistols" had no butts, but still had short forearms and were fitted with shorter barrels. .22LR semiautomatic versions also can be found in either pistol or carbine versions (latter with longer barrels, detachable or under-folding butts and ribbed forends of round cross-section). Many .22LR guns also were fitted with conical "blaster-like" flash hiders at the muzzle, which also carried the front sight base (rear sight was at the front of the magazine holding block).

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tommy · 02-12-2004, 02:52 PM

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junkie · 02-12-2004, 06:16 PM

I know one of the designers and he says the smaller the caliber the more rounds you can put in the mag.
The 9mm works best at around 75 rounds the 22 you can jam full.
At one point the Russians were going to adopt this weapon but the cold war stopped this. Then the gun bans really made it take a dive.
I have shot one of the originals in 9mm and it is a blast to shot. If you can get one do as they are a great gun and have some great design features.

FNCGUY · 12-02-2007, 10:53 PM

TOMMY, i have two M100 carbines and one liberty 9mm pistol. if the instructions are followed, there should be no problems. in fact, one of my M100 carbines is serial number 000065, in the box. the 100 round, 9mm mag fits the pistol also. both 22 LR rifles have collapsing stocks. the idea behind these systems is to dramtically lower your head below usual firing prone head height, as well as a three second mag change giving you an unprecedented 200 rounds of firepower. (or more if you have more mags) another big plus is the ability to store your mags fully loaded w/o spring tension until necessary for use. i love mine. these semi auto firearms are the utmost available on the planet for suppressive tactical firepower.

brewsert · 12-07-2007, 09:35 AM

I purchased my first Calico 22, the M-105 Sporter rifle, back in 1988 and have fired somewhere between 100 and 110 thousand rounds through it thus far.

Pretty impressive for a gun that is almost 20 years old.

Check out their website:
Calico: The Revolution has begun I have attached some highlights from their summer press release:

Calico® Light Weapon Systems (CLWS) is currently in full production mode building its revolutionary and proprietary “Legacy Design” high-capacity, helical-feed 9mm and .22 cal. carbines and pistols. T

And, new products are on the way. Calico is now in the final stages of testing a .40 cal prototype rifle and pistol.
Calico® has recently begun producing an upper receiver conversion kit which will allow for the use of their 50 and 100 round helical magazines on MAC 10 & 11 platforms. Other pistol and rifle calibers will be available soon and will be introduced at the 2008 SHOT Show.

tommy · 12-07-2007, 07:06 PM

thanks for the new info that .9mm is something to shck into.

LiveToShoot · 12-07-2007, 07:20 PM

Wow! Thanks for the Calico info. That's an awesome looking and performing firearm...

jmp8927 · 12-07-2007, 09:18 PM

Welcome to G&G Brewsert!

brewsert · 12-18-2007, 07:07 PM

The 9mm CALICOMAC conversion kit is done!

Attached is the YOUTUBE link to the shooting video:

YouTube - Calico-Mac test fire in full auto!

Enjoy.

brewsert · 12-18-2007, 07:25 PM

Check out the following links:
1) Calico Home Page
Calico: The Revolution has begun

2) Shooters Web Ring – lots of pictures and text
calico

3) Unofficial Calico Fans Web Site
Calico Fans Web Site - Photos, Info, & More!

4) Calico Forum
Calico: The Revolution has begun

5) CalicoMac Forum
Calico: The Revolution has begun

wideym · 12-21-2007, 01:32 AM

I bought a M900 9mm carbine in 92'. It had a serious cool factor just for the looks. Retractable stock, Cutts style compenstator, forward grip, and a fifty round drum. The only problem was the drum started crapping out on me after the AWB. I kept it in the arms room and the responsible NCOs at the time would aways play with it during monthly inventorys. They would over wind the drum and even broke the firing pin due to excessive dry firing. I was able to replace the firing pin but the AWB made replacing the drum too expensive. I ended up trading it for a Rem700.

brewsert · 12-21-2007, 06:57 AM

Sorry to hear that.

I had the same problem with my 22 mags in the early 90's. I over wound them and did not clean them when I should have and ruined the drive springs and a couple of cartridge carriers.

But I sent them in to Calico when they were in Bakersfield , CA and they repaired them. I still use them today.

Windwalker · 12-21-2007, 08:37 AM

Do you know what the price will be on the new .22 Carbine. Also, how will they get around the 10 shot mag limit?

knightRider · 12-21-2007, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Windwalker

Do you know what the price will be on the new .22 Carbine. Also, how will they get around the 10 shot mag limit?

the pistol
is $540.00
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.22guy · 12-21-2007, 10:35 AM

I've shot the 100 round .22LR version and it's a lot of fun. I would recommend buying one soon before the Hildebeast gets into power.

brewsert · 12-29-2007, 08:53 AM

It is my understanding that the 2007 MSRP's are as follows:

M-100 .22 Carbine, Solid Adj. Buttstock w/100rd Mag. MSRP =$637.50

M-110 .22 Pistol, Solid Stock, w/100rd Mag. MSRP = $688.50

M-207 .22 100rd Magazine, Black MSRP = $137.70

You can certainly negotiate prices below MSRP from your dealer.

With the cost of materials and shipping going up, Prices will likely increase in 2008.

May I suggest that you look at several internet auction sites such as Gun Broker and Guns America to get an idea of what prices you can expect.

Just copy and past the links I have provided below and take a look.

Gun Broker
GunBroker.com Search Results: calico

Guns America
GunsAmerica - Search

Safe Shooting.

chrisgun · 01-07-2008, 03:35 PM

I personally hope they make a .45ACP version and a couple versions chambered for magnum rounds.

Arturious · 03-20-2008, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommy

has anyone ever shot or heard of these gun's.i was lookin at the gun store today and saw a.22 calico pistol with 100 round capacity mag. they look alittle wierd but or they any good mem.tcon.net/users/5010/5491/m-110.htm??

i got the m100 about mouth ago i go the ranch and ive shot about 1500 rounds..its a good gun its fun! I learned that u need to keep it clean or it will jam just like any semi auto that gets dirty.The .22 ammo is verry dirty and i use fedral . so i carry with me a can of gun scrub and some rem oil and i clean it out every 100 rounds.And i dont have any malfuntions. Its exensive for a .22 rifle($540.00) but ull make up the differnce with the price that u pay.for the 223 or any other round compare $11.47 for 550 rounds(.22)

stefano · 03-20-2008, 04:36 PM

hi, I am Italian, and I have a calico .22
I have broken the spring.
this:

Calico's Online Catalog

do you know where I can order it on-line and to receive it in europa?

thanks

02-12-2004, 01:27 PM	#1
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 3,889 Trader Rating: (0)	calico firearm's has anyone ever shot or heard of these gun's.i was lookin at the gun store today and saw a.22 calico pistol with 100 round capacity mag. they look alittle wierd but or they any good mem.tcon.net/users/5010/5491/m-110.htm??

12-02-2007, 10:53 PM	#5
FNCGUY Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1 Trader Rating: (0)	TOMMY, i have two M100 carbines and one liberty 9mm pistol. if the instructions are followed, there should be no problems. in fact, one of my M100 carbines is serial number 000065, in the box. the 100 round, 9mm mag fits the pistol also. both 22 LR rifles have collapsing stocks. the idea behind these systems is to dramtically lower your head below usual firing prone head height, as well as a three second mag change giving you an unprecedented 200 rounds of firepower. (or more if you have more mags) another big plus is the ability to store your mags fully loaded w/o spring tension until necessary for use. i love mine. these semi auto firearms are the utmost available on the planet for suppressive tactical firepower. Last edited by FNCGUY; 12-02-2007 at 10:54 PM. Reason: mispelled word

12-07-2007, 09:35 AM	#6
brewsert Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 9 Trader Rating: (0)	Calico 22 Rifle - Fired over 100 rounds I purchased my first Calico 22, the M-105 Sporter rifle, back in 1988 and have fired somewhere between 100 and 110 thousand rounds through it thus far. Pretty impressive for a gun that is almost 20 years old. Check out their website: Calico: The Revolution has begun I have attached some highlights from their summer press release: Calico® Light Weapon Systems (CLWS) is currently in full production mode building its revolutionary and proprietary “Legacy Design” high-capacity, helical-feed 9mm and .22 cal. carbines and pistols. T And, new products are on the way. Calico is now in the final stages of testing a .40 cal prototype rifle and pistol. Calico® has recently begun producing an upper receiver conversion kit which will allow for the use of their 50 and 100 round helical magazines on MAC 10 & 11 platforms. Other pistol and rifle calibers will be available soon and will be introduced at the 2008 SHOT Show.

12-07-2007, 07:06 PM	#7
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 3,889 Trader Rating: (0)	thanks for the new info that .9mm is something to shck into. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

12-07-2007, 07:20 PM	#8
LiveToShoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest USA Posts: 1,690 Trader Rating: (0)	Wow! Thanks for the Calico info. That's an awesome looking and performing firearm... __________________ "Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it." -Unknown

02-12-2004, 02:50 PM	#2
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 3,889 Trader Rating: (0)	Calico M960 submachine gun (USA) Calico M960 9mm submachine gun with 50 rounds magazine, collapsed butt and front grip Calico 9mm semiautomatic "carbine" with 100 rounds magazine Calico M950 9mm "pistol" with 50 rounds magazine Calico M100 .22LR (5.6mm rimfire) pistol with 100 rounds magazine. Note ejection port on the right side, characteristic round handguards, front sight and flash hider. cut-out drawing of the Calico M950 pistol, showing its general layout and feed system drawing from original patent, protecting the large-capacity magazine for 9mm Calico firearms (.22LR magazines were of slightly different design and thus were protected by another patent) Data for Calico M960 submachine gun Caliber: 9x19mm Luger/Para Weight: 2.17 kg empty Length (stock closed/open): 647 / 835 mm Barrel length: 330 mm Rate of fire: 750 rounds per minute Magazine capacity: 50 or 100 rounds The Calico submachine guns are somewhat mysterious and quite notorious in both design, concept and appearance. The key properties of Calico firearms were extremely large magazine capacity combined with slim profile and ambidextrous handling. First designs, introduced by the US based company Calico Light Weapon Systems (LWS) circa 1990, were intended for both Law Enforcement and Military markets (in either semi-auto or selective fired form, in 9mm) and for civilian market (semi-auto only, in pistol or carbine form, in 9mm and .22LR versions). Sales of these guns were not so bright, and the US Assault Weapons Ban of 1994, which limited magazine capacity for civilian guns to 10 rounds, further impacted the future of this weapon. Apparently, military and police sales during late 1990s were insufficient, and it seems that the Calico LWS company went out of business. Original design of the helical, large capacity magazine was invented by the Michael Miller and Warren Stockton by the 1985, and refined by the 1988. Calico company produced 2 basic designs, one in .22LR (models 100, 105 and 110), and another in 9mm Luger (models 900, 950, 960, Liberty). 9mm models could be easily distinguished by the ejection chute, located just ahead of the triggerguard, and opened to the bottom. .22LR models, on the other hand, have trigger guards with slim front edge, and ejection ports on the side of receivers. Technical description. The 9mm Calico submachine guns were delayed blowback operated, selective fire weapons. The action is based on the two part, roller delayed blowback bolt system, initially designed by Ludwig Vorgrimler at the Mauser Werke by the end of WW2, and latter refined and promoted by the Heckler & Koch company in its G3 series rifles and MP5 series submachine guns. One interesting feature of Calico submachine guns is that the spent cases are ejected straight down, through the ejection chute at the front of the trigger guard. This, along with the ambidextrous safety / selector switch, located at the front of the trigger guard, make the gun ambidextrous, but bottom ejection caused danger to the shooter in the case of improper two-hands grip - if the supporting hand will come too close to the trigger guard, ejected cases can cause burns and damage to the holding palm. The charging handle is located at the left side of the gun, just ahead and above the trigger, and does not move when gun is fired. It also must be pointed out, that the .22LR versions of the Calico guns had the ejection port at the right side of the receiver, above the pistol grip. The most interesting feature of the Calico firearms is the top-mounted, cylindrical magazine of impressive capacity. Made mostly of plastics, this magazine contains a helical guide grooves at its "inner" cylindrical wall, with the rotating central "follower", that causes the cartridges to follow the helical track inside the cylinder. The follower is operated by the spiral spring, located at the rear of the cylinder. Magazine is equipped with winding handle, so it can be stored loaded and with unwound spring, to avoid loss of spring tension during the storage time. When required, magazine spring could be quickly wound up by rotating the handle to prepare magazine for fire. Magazines for Calico guns can store 50 or 100 rounds in relatively compact packages. Another interesting feature of all 9mm and some .22LR Calico guns is that while the adjustable front sight is mounted on the trapezoid block on the weapon itself, the rear sight is formed as the part of the plastic magazine shell. Calico firearms in submachine or carbine form could be fitted with retractable butt and / or forward pistol grip. Calico "pistols" had no butts, but still had short forearms and were fitted with shorter barrels. .22LR semiautomatic versions also can be found in either pistol or carbine versions (latter with longer barrels, detachable or under-folding butts and ribbed forends of round cross-section). Many .22LR guns also were fitted with conical "blaster-like" flash hiders at the muzzle, which also carried the front sight base (rear sight was at the front of the magazine holding block). --

02-12-2004, 02:52 PM	#3
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 3,889 Trader Rating: (0)	http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg57-e.htm

02-12-2004, 06:16 PM	#4
junkie Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Idaho Posts: 174 Trader Rating: (0)	I know one of the designers and he says the smaller the caliber the more rounds you can put in the mag. The 9mm works best at around 75 rounds the 22 you can jam full. At one point the Russians were going to adopt this weapon but the cold war stopped this. Then the gun bans really made it take a dive. I have shot one of the originals in 9mm and it is a blast to shot. If you can get one do as they are a great gun and have some great design features.

12-07-2007, 09:18 PM	#9
jmp8927 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Walterboro, SC Posts: 1,092 Trader Rating: (0)	Welcome to G&G Brewsert! __________________ Doing the unexpected makes the unexpected the expected and thus the expected becomes the unexpected.

12-18-2007, 07:25 PM	#11
brewsert Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 9 Trader Rating: (0)	Calico links I have found Check out the following links: 1) Calico Home Page Calico: The Revolution has begun 2) Shooters Web Ring – lots of pictures and text calico 3) Unofficial Calico Fans Web Site Calico Fans Web Site - Photos, Info, & More! 4) Calico Forum Calico: The Revolution has begun 5) CalicoMac Forum Calico: The Revolution has begun

12-21-2007, 01:32 AM	#12
wideym Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma/Arkansas border Posts: 24 Trader Rating: (0)	I bought a M900 9mm carbine in 92'. It had a serious cool factor just for the looks. Retractable stock, Cutts style compenstator, forward grip, and a fifty round drum. The only problem was the drum started crapping out on me after the AWB. I kept it in the arms room and the responsible NCOs at the time would aways play with it during monthly inventorys. They would over wind the drum and even broke the firing pin due to excessive dry firing. I was able to replace the firing pin but the AWB made replacing the drum too expensive. I ended up trading it for a Rem700.

12-21-2007, 06:57 AM	#13
brewsert Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 9 Trader Rating: (0)	Sent my Mags to Calico for repair Sorry to hear that. I had the same problem with my 22 mags in the early 90's. I over wound them and did not clean them when I should have and ruined the drive springs and a couple of cartridge carriers. But I sent them in to Calico when they were in Bakersfield , CA and they repaired them. I still use them today.

12-21-2007, 08:37 AM	#14
Windwalker Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,218 Trader Rating: (0)	Do you know what the price will be on the new .22 Carbine. Also, how will they get around the 10 shot mag limit?

12-21-2007, 10:35 AM	#16
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,059 Trader Rating: (0)	I've shot the 100 round .22LR version and it's a lot of fun. I would recommend buying one soon before the Hildebeast gets into power. __________________ Guns: they are like baseball cards except they are cool and you can kill things with em. -Billy

12-29-2007, 08:53 AM	#17
brewsert Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 9 Trader Rating: (0)	Calico - MSRP for Carbines, Pistols & Magazines It is my understanding that the 2007 MSRP's are as follows: M-100 .22 Carbine, Solid Adj. Buttstock w/100rd Mag. MSRP =$637.50 M-110 .22 Pistol, Solid Stock, w/100rd Mag. MSRP = $688.50 M-207 .22 100rd Magazine, Black MSRP = $137.70 You can certainly negotiate prices below MSRP from your dealer. With the cost of materials and shipping going up, Prices will likely increase in 2008. May I suggest that you look at several internet auction sites such as Gun Broker and Guns America to get an idea of what prices you can expect. Just copy and past the links I have provided below and take a look. Gun Broker GunBroker.com Search Results: calico Guns America GunsAmerica - Search Safe Shooting.

01-07-2008, 03:35 PM	#18
chrisgun Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Mental Gun Heaven Posts: 23 Trader Rating: (0)	I personally hope they make a .45ACP version and a couple versions chambered for magnum rounds.

03-20-2008, 04:36 PM	#20
stefano Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3 Trader Rating: (0)	hi, I am Italian, and I have a calico .22 I have broken the spring. this: Calico's Online Catalog do you know where I can order it on-line and to receive it in europa? thanks