Kerry's Protest Pic

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

I am 33 and see alot of valid points in Shrike's post. My father once said that the hippy generation of the 60's and 70's was ruining this country due to the fact that they were now running this country. While my dad did not see active combat he was in the service in late 69 and was in Germany in 1970 running communications.

Alot of what he said was true, but not so much the baby boomers rather than society as a whole. Look at the way we have no shame for unwed pregnancies, casual sex is prevalent in just about every TV show and our unsatiable need for government to be a SOLVES ALL for the populace.

It's only going to get worse.

shrike, who do you blame, a generation or that generation's parents?

[Jesse]

Ok guys, back to the thread topic... How do you think these pic(s) of Kerry will effect his standing in the Presidential election?

[Oxford]

Clearly...they'll flame those of us who detest everything or anyone connected to/with Jane Fonda, let alone those who served our country in one way or another. It shows that Kerry must think we've got short memory's and that his verbal B.S. explanations will cause us to forgive him.

Forget it! He's the perfect candidate for Bush. I'm looking forward to Bush's rebuttals!:right:

[Lord Shrike]

I agree with Ox's assessment. Kerry is the next best thing other than Dean for Bush to face. As to Lenny's question I have to put the blame on the generation that committed the offenses. The only thing the previous generation was guilty of was wanting things to be better for there kids than it was for them.

[Stopper]

If that story about Hanoi Jane taking those notes from POW's and giving them to the Hanoi Hilton commandant is true then she should have been or should be tried as a traitor (giving aid and comfort) and Kerry should be shutzpah'ed for having anything to do with the commie biotch.

You notice that SOB didn't throw his medals into the refletion pool, he threw other vets medals in, wonder why??? - DUH - he knew he would be able to use them later to further his cause. Besides Kerry wants us to give Iraq to the UN, give the U.S. to the UN and give all of us to the UN. Screw the UN and screw Kerry. He'll be the reason I'll end up voting for bush if it's close, if Bush looks like he's gonna win without my vote then I'll cast it another direction, gosh I hate do'n that.

I ain't touching the other posts.....Born in '65 don't care to wear a label but if I had to it would say "p-ss off, NEXT!"

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Originally posted by Jesse
Ok guys, back to the thread topic... How do you think these pic(s) of Kerry will effect his standing in the Presidential election?

In a dem's eye he can do no wrong just like in a repub's eye Bush can do no wrong........... It only matters to those who ride the fence.

[jerry]

hmmm. the pic might hurt kerry, might not. a good part of my family are "baby boomers" none of 'em i know of ever protested, did drugs, or nothing whacko, niether did thier friends. must have been a thing pertinant to a specific area of the country, oh well their foregiven.

[7mmag6]

However the majority gave us freelove without responsibility, rampant drug use, later they brought my generation record divorce rates and broken homes because like every other challenge marraige was to tuff for them to. I can only imagine what will happen as this generation retires and the social security well runs dry. I seriously doubt they will sacrifice for there children. Nope they will thrust the burden upon them and there grandchildren. This of course the Me generation why would anything change. They will allways put themselves first. I have serious doubts as to weather America's democracy will surive that. When you compare the boomers (again on average) to there parents who sucked it up and fought the most difficult and important war in History. Who than came home and made a good life for there children and never complained or whined about it the boomers pale in comparison. How will my generation stack up? Well the book is still out on us obviously but with the bar set so low by our parents it would be hard to be any worse. I call em as I see em. If this ticks you off sorry you can remember all you want but I'm not shutting up. If you want to take a swing at me go ahead I'm not afraid to go toe to toe or fist to fist with yah.

you name the place and time sunny boy ill be there and ill kick your !!!

[Dennis]

man o man what a difference a coupla days make.

[NBMss346]

I don't agree with Shrike. My dad and uncle enlisted during the time of Vietnam, because they wanted to help a cause they thought was just (and because they were dirt poor and needed a new start). Unfortunately, my uncle was killed (Darrell Dewayne Bratton on the Wall) but my dad finished his duty in California (both were Marines). I had plans on getting my degree then joining the Marines as an officer and doing my part, but my old man won't have that. At my age, I understand that i don't have to listen to him, but he's my dad. He tells me his family's sacrificed enough to war that i shouldn't go. Does that make me a !!!!!? I'm for !!!! sure registered for the SS (of course, everyone my age is) but I have no qualms of going if I get called up. I'd fight for this great country with no question. My dad's a baby boomer, and he's the most patriotic sonofa!!!!! out there.

[Lord Shrike]

Its seems that people have gotten something out of my post that was radically different than what I actually said. I never attacked any of the soilders of that era yet some people seem to think I did. I qaulified all of my statements acknowledgeing that many of that generation were not part of the problems I listed however everyone seems to be assuming I am personally blameing them for what went on. I never even brought up elisting vs. draft. Thats a complicated issue in which every scenario is different. If your drafted you should go end of story. If not than it comes down to what other obligations you have. The things that I did mention all happened and were all perpetrated by memebers of that generation. There is no denying it. It is irrefuttable fact. Does that mean you should feel guilty if you were a memember of that generation. Not unless you did any of those things. I was pointing out that thats where the cultural rocket sled to hell were all on started. Thats where some much of Kerry's support is going to come from. Polling shows that the younger generation is far more conservative and supportive of Bush than there parents so perhaps there is hope for the future. Now if people want to keep thuming there chests and act like 50 somethings going on 12 thats there problem. I have better things to do than fly all over the country and knock the snot out of some semi senior citizens. If they want to stalk me and try and assault there funeral. I apologize to Jesse for this getting so out of hand. I admit I started the tangent but I had no idea it would get this out of hand. I'm not gonna be threatened or intimdated into silence by anyone though. If some of us are ready to act like grownups instead of children I can carry on a reasonable debate on Bush vs Kerry.

[NBMss346]

Its seems that people have gotten something out of my post that was radically different than what I actually said.

Then I apologise. It WAS pretty difficult to understand your point though. :nod:

[Lord Shrike]

Than I apologise as well. Seems alot of people had a hard time understanding it.

[alan c.]

Originally posted by Jesse
Ok guys, back to the thread topic... How do you think these pic(s) of Kerry will effect his standing in the Presidential election?

Was he drafted? Or did he volunteer.

[Lord Shrike]

He Volunteered.

[7mmag6]

ok shrike you do have my grudging respect, you stick to yer guns, thats a good quality, just be a little bit more sensitive in your posts, there is a lot of vets and guys in the military here, some old farts like me that have been around and papag, that have seen a lot and been through he-ll, and back, and present day military and other vets, old marines see red sometimes, i cant help it, I also get your point about Kerry, but remember , those were some crazy times, its hard to explain unless you were there im calling a truce, unless you still want to fight in which case, ill need a couple of days to up my geritol dose, and not before 10 am I like to sleep, also i will require a a sauna after words and perhaps medical treatment, also no hitting above the ankles ive got arthrites in just about every joint above, agood steak and eggs breakfast, and 5, 5 secound rounds, and a 5 gallon bucket of ben-gay

[Lord Shrike]

Lmao Mag all is forgiven as far as I am concerned. LIke I said I don't mean to knock anything you and Papa G did over there. That was the last thing I was trying to convey. When I watch those History Channel shows on the era and the way the GI's were treated by the supposed propenants of peace and love it makes my want to build a time machine and go back with a baseball bat! Save some steak and eggs for me though!

[7mmag6]

I know a lot of people that were the peace and love crowd, it was long ago, and i work with some, that war screwed them up just like it did me, it was a very sorry time here and over there, thats what it was, a very sorry time