Since no one else will mention it....

[Rufus Rhastus J]

I see, on the news, they have found WMD! Some empty sheel casings that were supposedly filled, at one time, with that saron [sp.?] gas. I suspect these "findings" because I think they are a little too well timed. Besides, "planted" "evidence" is nothing new to these spooks. Bush's numbers are falling and the times are tough. He's been underfire because of the problems in Iraq. Now they are saying God only knows when we can get out. That !!!!able Greenspan is going to raise the rates even though he has been renominated{should be shot!] The cost is going up higher as the days roll by. The dems are screaming for the strategic oil stores to be loosed on the market so the prices go down, at least until after the election. Remember that the election is in Nov. Oil cost always go up then. Bush desperatly needs good news. This seems to come at the time when it's really needed. Besides, it won't be the first time, or the last time, Bush and company lies to us. What do you think? Think evenything is on the up and up? :cheer:

[Lord Shrike]

Well considering that its a binary round and not scraps of metal as you refferred to them odds are this came out of a weapon depot. I'd love to catch the SOB who set the thing up and beat the location out of him. There were 4 liters of sarin in that 155 round enough to kill thousands if used properly.

Actually, Rummy came out and saids that it probably aint sarin because the field test was defective...more news on it i'm sure

[Dennis]

It is so strange that no one wants to even concider that it IS Sarin and it was in Iraq and that Iraq had wmd's and they are still there and that they will be used against us.
Why so much resistance?

Are our own political arguments so much more important that the safety of our nation?
are the thousands or millions of lives worth risking to get Kerry elected?
So the Americans that hate Bush so much they will risk a WMD terrorist holocost to get him out of office? because he was right?
This is madness and if the democrats pull it off the world will suffer greatly
Iraq being the first country to be left high and dry.

It doesnt make any sense at all

[oneastrix]

Right on Dennis.....I'm giving you karma for that one. It goes back to the original argument. We gave Iraq an adequate helping of time to move their WMD's to another location. I don't know why we did it, but I support the troops and the President.

Gas prices? Heck, I'm the first to admit that I have a bike and won't ride it to work. How can I b*itch about that when I am so lazy? I could literally ride my bike to work in the same amount of time that it takes me to fight the traffic jam.......but I still pay the gas prices....So I'm not one to gripe about that.

Viva La Bush. He has my full support.

[Shaun]

Dennis if they considered Sarin a wmd then they would have to admit our intelligence was right and the administration was in the right -- I look at it this way there was and still is wmd in Iraq --its called saddam hussien - until he and his followers are put to death they are a threat to our way of life and I don't put it past them to try and work something with iran for nuc materials.

[oneastrix]

Roger that....10-4.

[Despoiler]

I have no idea why it is such a suprise that WMD have been found in Iraq. I also wonder why people actually believed the media, when they were reporting that there were not any WMD in Iraq. Sadam used WMD in the Iran/Iraq war, killing thousands, he also used them on the Kurds killing thousands of his own people, and this is why the “No Fly Zone” had been created. Every responsible world leader acknowledged that Sadam possessed WMD. Even Clinton and other leading democrats have stated publicly that they knew that Sadam possessed WMD.

The WMD subject will be resolved and I think that they will find some are hidden in Iraq, and a lot have been transferred to Syria. Remember during the first gulf war Sadam sent his air force to Iran rather than have it destroyed by us.

The WMD are there, and I think the biggest concern is now, they are or will be shortly in the hands of terrorist, and what are they going to do with them? We really need to put all of this petty bickering behind us and get behind the war on terror, because if we don’t there will be a cloud of sarin gas over one of our major cities and that will make 9-11 look like a convenient store holdup.

[Rufus Rhastus J]

I like how convienantly the empty sheel casing was just sort of "found". No surprise it's there...I just think the whole story is suspect. But, I agree.....I don't want Bush gone at the expense of America. I'm just pointing out how he/they lied! And now, out of the blue......a sheel caseing turns up. Seems a little fishie to me.

[Shaun]

He didn't Lie Ruf -- prove that he lied. I have yet to hear any lie on his part that can be proven

[Lord Shrike]

Rufus and Lenny where the hell are you to getting your information?! As of last night before I went off to bed it was confirmed that the round found was filled with 4 liters of Sarin. Secondly the round rufus keeps refering to as a shell caseing was a live round that was detonated as part of a IED before it could be disarmed. Fortunately it was a binary round. That means that the 2 ingredients needed to make Sarin are kept in seperate compartments. Once the round is fired out of a cannon the spinning of the round causes the chemicals to mix and viola when it bursts above the target you have a sarin gas cloud. The IED explosion didn't allow much of it to mix, however 2 US soilders were treated for minor exposure. The fact that it was used this way indicated that whoever rigged the IED did not know what he had. Also there was supposedly another round full of mustard gas last week but I haven't heard much on that lately. Maybey you guys got the 2 mixed up because this has been confirmed by the survey group.

[Rufus Rhastus J]

Still, assumeing you guys are right and Rufus is wrong, I still think the timeing is just too good. I wish my luck was as good as these politicos is!

[Indy7373]

Originally Posted by Lord Shrike

Rufus and Lenny where the hell are you to getting your information?! As of last night before I went off to bed it was confirmed that the round found was filled with 4 liters of Sarin. Secondly the round rufus keeps refering to as a shell caseing was a live round that was detonated as part of a IED before it could be disarmed. Fortunately it was a binary round. That means that the 2 ingredients needed to make Sarin are kept in seperate compartments. Once the round is fired out of a cannon the spinning of the round causes the chemicals to mix and viola when it bursts above the target you have a sarin gas cloud. The IED explosion didn't allow much of it to mix, however 2 US soilders were treated for minor exposure. The fact that it was used this way indicated that whoever rigged the IED did not know what he had. Also there was supposedly another round full of mustard gas last week but I haven't heard much on that lately. Maybey you guys got the 2 mixed up because this has been confirmed by the survey group.

I was a bit confused as well by Rufus's sheet metal. I understood it to be a shell that exploded, injuring two soldiers. Like it says above, the shell was not fired properly, so the soldiers survived.

There is just no convincing some people. First it was, there are no WMD, Bush lied. Then, they find a shell filled with sarin. Now its "That doesn't count".

What would it take to convince some people? If Sadam could hide a couple of planes, then he sure as heck can hide artillary shells and such.

[Rave]

Personally,I think if they had WMD's they would be using them on us as fast as they could,but they aren't,didn't use any in the first war either against Israel,and we knew they had them then,so,why not use them when you are fighting for real?
This confuses me as I fight to win,perhaps this is all a show of some kind,if so it is bryond my kin.

[Despoiler]

Originally Posted by Rave

Personally,I think if they had WMD's they would be using them on us as fast as they could,but they aren't,didn't use any in the first war either against Israel,and we knew they had them then,so,why not use them when you are fighting for real?
This confuses me as I fight to win,perhaps this is all a show of some kind,if so it is bryond my kin.

That is an excellent question, why did Sadam not use the weapons?
Now this is pure speculation on my part, I believe that Sadam did not believe that the US would actually invade and remove him from power. I also think that France, Russia, and the scoundrels in the UN were telling Sadam that they would prevent his removal so that they could keep on stealing money from the oil for food program.

[Dennis]

That is a good question, why did Saddam not use his cemical weapons when we attacked?
He may not have had anyone that was willing
No one believed for a minute that we where not going to prevail there.
Reguardless of that question
the other question still remains

Was the war justified?
Was it justified for The United States of America to attack, invade, Iraq ?
The reasons given where that Iraq was a haven for terrorists,they threatened their neighbors and they had and could provide weapons of mass destruction to terrorists that could be used against our country.(this is setting aside All the UN stuff)
So now we have found That Iraq was a haven for Terrorists threatened their neighbors and had wmd's
There has not been a big bunker with a bunch of cemical or biotoxic war heads discovered yet.
But we have found traces and other evidence that they existed.

those that oppose President Bush refuse to accept anything that may knock out the underpinnings of their stated reasons for opposing the President.

Kinda like the scandal that they tried to create over Bushes Air national guard service.
Bush and the guard provided proof after proof, record after record and the press would not accept it.
So now the liberal democrats harshly resist any proof of WMD's in Iraq.
The proof is there it has been there all along, the press are not accepting it.
I dont expect The liberal democrats to accept anything that overturns their beliefs.
Thats because their beliefs are not based in reality in the first place.

So the press that tell the "undecided" what to think, refuse the reality of Wmd's in Iraq.
When they KNOW they are there. just like
President Bush and everyone else said they where.

Dont ya see?
We can not unite, to merely defend ourselves.
Its going to take a even more catastrophic event to get the millions of lemming like Americans to snap out of it and realize that we must defeat the Islamofachists.
They want to rule the world and will do anything to achieve their goal.
What do we want?

[Rufus Rhastus J]

Thank you, Rave. I would have thought there would be no need to mention the obvious. But, Bush supporters sometimes don't think logical. Maybe Bush is God's choosen...maybe he's not screwing us like I imagine. Maybe, he really is the returning Christ! Heck, I don't know. But, if I smell a rat, and I do, I thought to mention it. The truth is, Bush has only done one thing I agree with. The tax cut was pennies to me and makes no differance. But, the one thing he did, that I agree with was he sent the UN and thier small arms blather down the road. But, like his pappy, he stopped short of makeing his point. He should have tossed them out of the country and we [the USA] should have pulled out of the UN and told them where to stuff it! But, you know that will never happen...I don't think Bush is worth a @#$%...But, he's better than Kerry and he's a repub, of sorts. That's all I can say about him fit to print. So, you wanna tear my head off? Go for it. Maybe I deserve it.

[Dennis]

Rufas I enjoy your arguments and I am not in the head tearing off business
There are many points that I agree with you.
The one that we also agree on is that Bush is better than Kerry
I believe President Bush is a genuine guy. those that are lineing up against him seem to be doing so for Emotional reasons
Bush has acted logically to the threats to our nation.
I agree with his motives and most of his actions in the gulf.
He has faced the sad fact (as should we all) that we HAVE NO CHOICE we MUST Do something about the fundementalist Islamic movement that has attacked our country.
This movement is in many if not All the islamic countrys on the face of the earth.
The primary motivating factor in makeing this decision has been the 911 attacks and the presence of cemical biotoxic and nuclear weapons in islamic countrys.
the people that flew the planes would use any weapon against us that they can get
it is not un imaginable that we will have to endure a WMD attack in the forseeable future.
what happens if Pakistan falls to the fundemental Islamic Movement?
It is not unthinkable.
Then we will have (if not all ready) nuclear armed Islamic terrorists
So do you think for a minute that the Arabs would not sneak in a nuclear bomb and explode it here ?
the fact that it hasnt happend yet may be just luck.
This is an imuteable truth.
What are you going to say about Bush after NYC or L.A. or San Francisco are destroyed or "rendered un inhabitable" by a Islamic nuclear device?
How about a sarin attack in the Boston subway system?
These scenarios are not far fetched
I have not heard of a single complaint that comes even close to convinceing me
that Bush is wrong about persueing the war.
we are fighting in Iraq to defend our selves.

Would you have waited to fight the nazi's in New Jersey?

[Despoiler]

So true Dennis.

[Rufus Rhastus J]

Well, let me try a differant combination of words, maybe you guys will understand. Okay, ready? Here we go: Dennis, I agree! Yes, i agree. But, if what you say is truth, not just lies, then why don't we go and kick some islamic fundamentalist butt? Why are we wasting our time, resources, troops and money on that filty, festering sand box full of vermin? Our troops should be blasting every single sand box person they can find. We should be nukeing a few cities and.......we should have been long since finished and our troops at home. We should make it known that should another terrorist attack one of our people, it will cause another city to be nuked. Another 9/11 will cause another nation to be annexed to the US and the oil is ours, we'll sell you what we don't need. A hard line is what is needed. But, Bush just panders to these folks. All they understand is pain and destruction. I say give it to them...and plenty of it....triple portons of grief and distruction! But, that ain't gona happen. So, now, do you understand why I think this is just a bunch of crappola? As for the Nazis, I'd welcome them. German food is great!