I recall someone doubting the Sarin reports the other day
Here is some info the official test results are in Now this is proof of WMD in Iraq
Tests Confirm Sarin in Baghdad Roadside Bomb
Tuesday, May 25, 2004
WASHINGTON — Comprehensive testing has confirmed the presence of the chemical weapon sarin (search) in the remains of a roadside bomb discovered this month in Baghdad, a defense official said Tuesday.
The determination, made by a laboratory in the United States that the official would not identify, verifies what earlier, less-thorough field tests had found: the bomb was made from an artillery shell designed to disperse the deadly nerve agent on the battlefield.
The origin of the shell remains unclear, and finding that out is a priority for the U.S. military, the defense official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.
Some analysts worry the 155-millimeter artillery shell, found rigged as a bomb on May 15, may be part of a larger stockpile of Iraqi chemical weapons that insurgents can now use. But no more have turned up, and several military officials have said the shell may have been an older one that predated the 1991 Gulf War.
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It likewise is not known whether the bombers knew they had a chemical weapon. Military officials have said the shell bore no labels to indicate it was anything except a normal explosive shell, the type used to make scores of roadside bombs in Iraq.
No one was injured in the shell's initial detonation, but two American soldiers who removed the round had symptoms of low-level nerve agent exposure, officials said last week.
The shell was a binary type, which has two chambers containing relatively safe chemicals. When the round is fired from an artillery gun, its rotation mixes the chemicals to create sarin, which is supposed to disperse when the shell strikes its target.
Since it was not fired from a gun but was detonated as a bomb, the initial explosion on May 15 dispersed the precursor chemicals, apparently mixing them in only small amounts, officials said then. In battle, such shells would have to be fired in great numbers to effect a large body of troops.
Iraq's first field-test of a binary-type shell containing sarin was in 1988, U.S. defense officials have said.
Saddam's government only disclosed the testing and production after Iraqi weapons chief Lt. Gen. Hussein Kamel al-Majid (search), Saddam's son-in-law, defected in 1995. Saddam's government never declared any sarin or shells filled with sarin remained.
Saddam's alleged stockpile of weapons of mass destruction (search) was the Bush administration's chief stated reason for invading Iraq. U.S. weapons hunters have been unable to validate the prewar intelligence.
Some trace elements of mustard agent (search), an older type of chemical weapon, were detected in an artillery shell found in a Baghdad street this month, U.S. officials said previously. The shell also was believed to be from one of Saddam's old stockpiles.
Sarin, a colorless and odorless gas, has a lethal dose of 0.5 milligram for an adult. It is 26 times more deadly than cyanide gas and is 20 times more lethal than potassium cyanide. Just 0.01 milligram per kilogram of body weight a pinprick sized droplet will kill a human. The vapor is slightly heavier than air, so it hovers close to the ground. Under wet and humid weather conditions sarin degrades swiftly, but as the temperature rises up to a certain point, sarin’s lethal duration increases, despite the humidity.
Mankind has always searched for more and more powerful weapons, whether it be a bigger rock to throw a better quality bow and arrow or musket or a more powerful bomb. Obviously this century it has been explosives of one kind or another. More specifically the tendancy has been for more powerful missiles or aerial bombs this race reached its height when the nuclear bomb was invented the power of these bombs were so supremly powerful that the target would be of no use to anyone after the explosion due to the damage and contamination. So as a result the search for weapons that would kill the enemy but leave the surrounding area undamaged and any contamination short lived. Chemical and Biological weapons were the answer to these problems. Chemical weapons have been around in less sophisticated forms for decades, they were used quite extensively in the first world war but took the form of simple gasses such as chlorine and mustard gas. In this day and age the current crop of chemical weapons are far more dangerous and well researched.
Among the most dangerous chemical weapons are the so called nerve gasses or nerve agents, nerve agents have entirely dominated chemical warfare since the Second World War. Nerve agents acquired their name because they affect the transmission of nerve impulses in the nervous system. All nerve agents belong chemically to the group of organo-phosphorus compounds. They are stable and easily dispersed, highly toxic and have rapid effects both when absorbed through the skin and via respiration. Nerve agents can be manufactured by means of fairly simple chemical techniques. The raw materials are inexpensive and generally readily available. This makes them even more dangerous as they can be made by any irresponsible mind with a decent laboratory.
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That was me, the doubting Thomas. I still doubt, not that it's really sarin gas. But, rather it's timely discovery. As in planted "evidence". I find it a bit too timely for my tastes. And, given the lies we have already been treated too, what's one more lie?
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Ruf why do you keep doubting he used it in the past remember the city in the north that he wiped out testing his chemical weapons -- I bet if they found a nuke buried in a sand dune that you would say we planted it.
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Rufus insists on living in la la land. We could find a ammo dump with a glowing neon sign say WMD here full of WMD and it wouldn't be enough for him. Far as I am concerned this is game set match on the WMD argument.
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Iraq had WMD weapons (well documented), didn't account to the UN what they destroyed (as they agreed in the first Gulf War agreement), didn't comply with UN requests. gassed the Kurds,etc., etc.........
They had WMD and it's still there -- the only reason we are debating is because the press is telling us how to think
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I still think their are WMD, but we need to find a big load of them. There was one place I was reading that we had satalite images of something being taking from Iraq to Syria and buried in the sand prior to us coming in.
This is prolly a telling us that their is a messload of WMD nearby. We just gotta find out where they are.
Shaun in case you were'nt aware this is an isolated incident of an old munition and certainly not the stockpiles of new WMD's that Bush said Saddam had.
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planted "evidence". You guys keep "parroting" the gumint line. Tell the lie long enough and you'll believe it's the truth. Hey, maybe that already happened! It's not much, one shell casing...is'nt just a little bit possible it was planted? A whole plant, buryed under the sand, maybe just a little more believeable but....just one casing....smells like a plant to me!
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hay come on we killed off or captured the bigest weapons of mas destruction in the country allready. or have we all forgotten how bad sadom and his sons where.
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We don't have to convince him. If he doesn't keep people on the toes then we would just take something for face value.
I still feel we need to get the massive amounts that we have talked about. We need to find them. Use satalite imaging to find them in the sand, do whatever it takes. That way there is no question.
proof of WMD in Iraq 
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