[Sniper[MI]]

I read a piece on Drudge where a fellow tries to rip Madonna for not being on the cutting edge, and he erodes into Bush bashing, American culture bashing and anti war support and the like...what a good little canadian Liberal he is...I bet he ovulates....and it probably rubbed me the wrong way more than otherwise, considering the day it is and all.

Here is his piece (of dung)
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http://www.canada.com/national/natio...3-c08f038c101d

What is Madge good for?
The only thing Madonna provokes with her latest tour is sadness at how lame she's become

Aaron Wherry
National Post


Monday, May 31, 2004

Those readers under the age of 18 may have to ask their parents about this, but, believe it or not, Madonna used to be quite shocking. Edgy even. Testing with each new album, video or tour the Western world's sexual, religious and political boundaries. Hers was an arsenal of burning crosses, simulated masturbation, virginal squeals, S & M, a black Jesus and a picture book about sex.

But this was long before jihad and Abu Ghraib became the stuff of family dinner conversations. Before the video of Nick Berg's beheading was put on the high school curriculum. Before gay marriage seemed less an outrage than an inevitability, and Michael Moore wasn't just a fat guy schlepping around Flint, but a fat guy swaggering through Cannes.

Not that Madge isn't trying.

Her latest tour, not-so-subtly- titled Re-invention, is apparently an orgy of burkas, Bush-bashing, Kabbalah and her greatest hits. Oh, and at one point she straps herself into an electric chair.

The centrepiece is her performance of American Life, the ridiculous title track to her last album, one of 2003's more dramatic disasters (Sample lyric: "I'm drinking a soy latte/ I get a double shot-ay"). It is, in all its clumsy glory (Mini Cooper is also rhymed with "super-duper"), an attack on the American ideal and the commercialism that used to define the Material Girl. On stage, though, it becomes a gaudy anti-war protest.

"American Life was a massive anti-war production piece, helicopters and firebombing on the giant screens behind her as she moved with her troupe, all clad in fatigues," explained the Hollywood Reporter of the tour's opening show in Los Angeles.

"In the creaky song ... dancers sternly march around in military fatigues as images of bloodied and terrified Iraqi children flash on the video screens," reported the New York Daily News.

Feel like you've seen that before? Well, you haven't. But a little deja vu is warranted all the same. Last year, Madonna cut a video for the song that reportedly featured much of the same content.

"Starting as a runway show of couture army fatigues, the fashion show escalates into a mad frenzy depicting the catastrophic repercussions and horror of war," Madonna's spokeswoman Liz Rosenberg explained last February. "This will be a stirring and extremely controversial piece of work from the artist who created the medium of the small film set to music."

But, before it could be premiered, Matt Drudge began to leak details of the Jonas Akerland-directed clip, including word of transvestite soldiers and Madonna tossing a grenade at a George W. Bush look-alike. The resulting outcry from Drudge's core conservative constituency convinced Madonna to do what she had never done: back down.

"Due to the volatile state of the world and out of sensitivity and respect to the armed forces, who I support and pray for, I do not want to risk offending anyone who might misinterpret the meaning of this video," Madonna explained in shelving the clip in favour of a neutered flag-waving second cut.

At the time we still believed in weapons of mass destruction. Support for the President and his war was high. And Madonna had sales to worry about.

A year later, critics have turned and that album has tanked, as has the popularity of the President. More importantly, several hundred thousand concert tickets have gone on sale. So here (again) comes Madonna the anti-war agitator, seeming not so much brave as desperate. Odd all the more because her original inspiration for the military fatigues was reportedly Moore, specifically his rant at last year's Oscars.

Since using his moment at the podium to discuss America's "fictitious President," Moore has made Fahrenheit 9/11, which includes embarrassing footage of President Bush and graphic images of casualties and prisoner abuse in Iraq. Intended for distribution by Disney, Michael Eisner's Mickey Mouse regime refused to do so, only to see the resulting controversy lead to a triumphant reception in Cannes where Moore won the prestigious Palme d'Or, the first time in nearly 50 years a documentary has won.

Some of Moore's most remarkable footage, an interview with Berg, was left out of the film. Moore has subsequently refused to release the footage and sent copies to Berg's family members.

Which is where Moore differentiates himself from many an American high school social studies teacher. Approximately a dozen such educators in Texas, California, Oregon, Oklahoma and other states have been suspended or disciplined for showing their wide-eyed students the video of Berg's beheading at the hands of al-Qaeda terrorists. The video, widely available on the Internet after release by the perpetrators, has been among the most searched-for items on the World Wide Web for weeks now, besting the war in Iraq and even, speaking of gruesome video footage, Paris Hilton (high school sex-ed teachers take note).

There is little Madonna can show us that we, or our Internet-literate sons and daughters, haven't already seen. So what is left to slander?

The Catholic church? That wee little sex scandal has left little to add. Global warming? Sting tried that and we all know what happened to him. The evils of commercialism? Hard to battle when you're asking several hundred dollars a ticket. The sins of excess? Those in glass houses, etc, etc.

So while it might be easy to conclude Madonna has lost her edge, it seems reality has, in many cases, simply outpaced her. Even homoeroticism, an old Madonna stand-by, seems tired at this late date, same-sex marriages in Massachusetts dominating the headlines on the rare day Berg or Iraq does not.

Consider, for a moment, how different a conclusion we'd be making today had she gone ahead and premiered the inflammatory original video for American Life. Some sort of boycott would have ensued -- likely by Wal-mart -- and the usual conservative suspects would have raised their voices in hyperbolic protest. But months later, with the American public forced to confront the violent, inhumane and homoerotic images from Abu Ghraib, she might be basking in the same anti-war afterglow that now surrounds Moore.

Lone salvation for the Kabbalah convert might have come, oddly enough, in Israel. Tentatively scheduled to play several dates there, Madonna backed away citing security concerns. If there was a way to ensure the safety of her audience, shows there, especially in light of cancellations in the Middle East by other pop stars (most recently Missy Elliott), would have sent the sort of defiant message she now so desperately seems to be seeking.

Until then, any buttons Madonna had left to press have been hammered harder and faster by more-willing provocateurs, if not reality itself. And Madonna is a ground-breaking artist in need of new ground.

© National Post 2004
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Here is my response to the obviously Liberal, anti Bushand American Culture, Michael Morre rump rovers post................

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What is madge for? What are you for, you elude to her Bush Bashing then proceed in several sentances with your own diatribe. Your thinly vieled real agenda is as rotten as the Material Girl's. Do the world a favor, the both of you should stop attempting to think, you don't know what you are doing and might hurt yourself.

If you wish to respond, hit the "reply" tab in your e mail window, and it will get to me.

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Here is how you can contact the "man"....I bet at this minute he is wearing womens underwear and dancing around crying and singing "Like A Virgin" remembering the good ol early Clinton years...

http://www.canada.com/national/natio...e=Aaron+Wherry

[ScottD]

Sniper I'm surprise at you. I would've made it to the first sentence and when I saw the word Madonna would've stopped right there. Her and ex-husband Penn having nothin' intelligent coming out of there mouths, never has and never will. Hollywood wanna be's. Oh, Oh, Oh, wait someone from Hollywwod is going to say something, stop, look and listen. It must be important and for god's sake it must be real.

[Sniper[MI]]

I know madonna is nothng but a semen recepticle for foreign nationals and communists sons, but I was reading to see what the tone of the piece was. I was kind of looking for a good thrashing of Madonna and her lack of talent...

But I was surprised that the columnists turned it into an attack Bush and America Campaign.

I have always believed that to know your enemy you must stay informed, so I read a lot of liberal cr ap to keep aprised of their current whims and strategies.

I also spend a fair amount of time on liberal biased web sites just wrecking their days...

[ScottD]

Smile!

[colt45]

you can tell when a group knows its looseing when they toss thier propaganda into everything they can.
even into this. so when is liberal season again?

[Sniper[MI]]

Quote:       Originally Posted by ScottD

Smile!

I smile alot. I love a good debate, or even a heated debate. I can generally get my opponent to back down or become so mad they blow their tops and loose all credibility. I was removed from the High School Debate club for making a monkey out of the teacher that headed it up...

That piece only made me mad for a short time, mostly due to today being Memorial Day and feeling grand about America, despite all it's problems (liberals). The last thing I needed was to see a Canadian Lib poking at us with a stick again....I mean since they have things so Grand In Canada I guess that makes a few of the get a Napoleon Complex....

I did not read the same article you did. The author's take seems to be that Madonna has washed herself up and is using cliches to entertain. It did not sound like a flattering review of her show. Madonna has always needed to be at the cutting edge of culture. His point is current events have eclipsed Madonna's show and we have grown numb to anything she might consider shocking

Sniper, one of the skills to a good debate is understanding the other side. Your vitupritive writing should not be mistaken for forensics.
Personally I don't listen to Madonna. I admire her ability to stay and continually succeed in a tough, tough business. Your misogynistic comments have no place on this forum. The only people you anger with your vitriol are those at or below your level of intellegence. Also, typos weaken your arguement exponentially. I bet the author is walking around his office, wearing women's underwear and, laughing at your ignorance of spelling and grammar. You delivered the angry, ignorant American stereotype right to his doorstep.

I would ask these questions:
How do you define American culture?
What is your defintion of a "liberal"?
What is your definition of a "conservative"?
What is your defintion of "propaganda"?
What news outlets have the most fair reporting?
What's wrong with a grown man wearing woman's underwear?

[Despoiler]

Mr. Kaneko,
What the hell are you a spell and grammatical checker?
If I need one I will use Word.

[Dennis]

We no longer have the luxury of being entertained by outrageous behavior.
we have enough bad behavior in real life
Madona has lost her "saleability"
Maybe some day she will be back on top (hehehheheeehe)
but right now most everyone has more important things to think about.

I think the anti american americans (like madonna and Penn)
are grasping at straws wanting to be relivant.
they are joined be millions.
They refuse to accept that (they) we are vulernable and have to persue the Islamic fachists in iraq and elsewhere.
if they win this argument and we leave Iraq, millions and millions
will die and the world will be plunged in to world war III

Its comeing gentlemen and the only thing that may help stop it is our presence in the gulf.
So many of the mush headed self centered self absorbed people are refuseing to believe what is happening.

Quote:       Originally Posted by AllenT

Mr. Kaneko, What the h e l l are you a spell and grammatical checker? If I need one I will use Word.

If the shoe fits, wear it.

Also, if you're going to send off nastygrams to those in need, it's good to be locked and loaded so to speak.
No I'm not the grammar police. I'm trying to protect people from looking like dolts.
All an anti-gunner needs to do is copy a post full of errors and hate and say "They can't even spell, why should they have guns?"

This is the stereotype of gun owners:angry ignorant and, jingoistic.

Let me stress I don't think anyone's an idiot on this forum. If this forum was not avalible to the public, I wouldn't care. Since it is, and the world is full of people who want to prevent us from owning firearms; I ask us to pay attention. Anything we say can and will be used against us.

I don't want to sound like a scold, but it's true.

[mauser kitten]

What the article seems to be doing is simply riding a popular wave.. So many people worldwide turn to the media and to their favoured "stars" as the foundation for their *own* beliefs (if he/she/it says it, it *must* be true) rather than really learning about the issues at hand in politics, who stands where, why certain decisions within the Government are made, and so on. The media, in turn, caters to the current so-called popular opinion, and what is being spouted out by the current "darlings of the media". This can spread misconceptions like wildfire, making it seem to so many outside our country that we are mostly all anti-american/anti-government.

[Shaun]

welcome Mauser Kitten!

Yes, welcome. Well said and very true. There are those who would have us not do our own thinking on both sides of this issue.

[mauser kitten]

Thanks for the welcome!...
and that much is true. There will always be someone trying to sway the opinions of others by any means necessary, on both sides of any fence. We have a right and responsibility to make informed decisions on issues, instead of having them made for us.

[Rufus Rhastus J]

I'll join the group and offer my welcome to Mauser Kitten also! Sniper, why would anyone, much less a person as I precieve you to be, be even remotely interested is Maddonna's career of if she has choosen to be a jew or whatever. As mentioned above, her and her X are just holiwood trash and of no interest to me, or, for that matter...holliwood! Even the liberals are tired of them. Drudge probably has some air time left and nothing good to say...yeah, I bet that's it! Don't let garbage like this annoy you!

[Sniper[MI]]

I check The Drudge Report nearly everyday. He frequently has news items there that do irritate me, and a few items that are really not newsworthy at all.

However, to clarify, I do not care where Madonna's Career is heading, tho in the toilet is good as I lover seeing rabid Liberals fail big.

For whatever reason, I read the first few paragraphs of the piece and began to see the reporters true agenda. So I read the whole thing.

As I have said, I read a lot of liberal rubbish to keep informed on what the other camp is up to, and to keep on top of the current and up coming Liberal mantras.

Call it recon reading if you will.....

BTW, I am going to start typing all my correspondence in Word, then using the spell checker, then doing a cut and paste to keep my speleng sklis honed sharp. Not all my posts, but the ones where I try to call attention to a hypocrasy, or really slanted article or editorial.

It is not my intent to drag every gun owner down by leaving poorly spelled words in an e mail. Even if only one person thinks so, it is reality. I dont mind the gun nut tag, but to be called a poor speller, well, them's fightin words!! LOL!!!

W.W.M.D (What Would Madonna Do)
I have that taped to my mirror. (Ha)