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Old 06-12-2004, 05:37 PM   #1
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Cool The .45 makes a comeback during the war on terrorism

The .45 makes a comeback during the war on terrorism
Christopher Holton, WorldTechTribune.com
WORLD TECH TRIBUNE.COM
Monday, April 5, 2004

In 1911 the U.S. military adopted a new sidearm: John Browning’s venerable .45 caliber automatic pistol. That pistol served with distinction as our armed forces’ standard sidearm into the 1980s, when it was officially replaced by the Beretta M9 9mm automatic pistol. In recent years, however, the 1911 Model .45, in a more modern guise, has been enjoying a renaissance of sorts.

At the time of the M9’s adoption, it was regarded as a more modern design and thus a suitable replacement for the tried and true .45, many examples of which were very elderly and worn out, giving it an undeserved reputation for unreliability.

The .45 never found much acceptance in law enforcement circles over the course of the 20th century. There were a variety of reasons for this, almost none of them legitimate:

* Most law enforcement agencies saw the 1911 Model’s single action design as unsafe, a false assumption usually borne of ignorance. The fact is, the “old” single action design has several safety advantages over the more “modern” double action designs that have emerged over the past few decades.

* Many leaders within the law enforcement community view the 1911 Model .45 as difficult to learn to shoot and master. Under budgetary restraints, some law enforcement agencies have been forced to cut corners on firearms training. It is cheaper and quicker to teach a trainee to just “point and squeeze” with a 9mm double action with a high magazine capacity.

In recent years, however, the .45 has been making a comeback, thanks in large part to the revolutionary efforts of a company named Kimber.

Since 1999, Kimber .45s have been unofficially and officially adopted by military and law enforcement units at the front of the war on terrorism:

* Throughout the U.S. military's special operations community (USSOCOM), literally the "tip of the spear" in the war on terrorism, Kimber .45s are seeing increasing use as the severe limitations of the so-called modern M9 have become apparent. The M9 was a good concept, but in practice it has proven to be less durable in operational use than was hoped. More to the point, as .45 users have known for several decades, the 9mm cartridge is downright anemic in terms of stopping power. Special operations forces must have a sidearm that is completely reliable under severe conditions: the proven 1911 design has never been surpassed in terms of reliability or durability. Special operators also need a weapon with stopping power. The .45 automatic is unquestionably equal to or better than any other widely used automatic pistol cartridge in the world. It has even been rumored that General Tommy Franks carried a Kimber .45 as his personal sidearm during Operation Iraqi Freedom.

* In 2001, the elite Los Angeles Police Department SWAT team shocked the law enforcement community when it adopted the Kimber .45 automatic as its official sidearm. LAPD SWAT is considered one of the most important counterterrorist units in the U.S. law enforcement community, having been primarily responsible for security at the 1984 Olympics. Today, the unit is the first line of defense against terrorists in one of America's largest metropolitan areas.

LAPD SWAT was not actually the first law enforcement agency to adopt the Kimber .45. In 1999, the Tacoma, Washington police department raised some eye brows when it authorized its officers to carry the Kimber .45 in the line of duty. In the selection process, a variety of pistols were tested and put through the paces. The Tacoma PD was shocked at the reliability demonstrated by the Kimber. In fact, they were not able to produce a single malfunction in the test pistols provided by Kimber and they began to "smell a rat." They suspected that Kimber had supplied them with "ringers" — specially assembled examples — to test, rather than regular production pistols, such as their officers would carry in the event that the pistol was adopted.

So, the Tacoma police went out to local firearms dealers and purchased pistols "off the shelf" for further testing. To their astonishment, these Kimber .45s performed just as well as the pistols originally supplied by the company which were erroneously suspected to be "ringers."

Today, in addition to LAPD, Tacoma PD and USSOCOM, first responders across America use the Kimber .45, as evidenced by the fact that SWAT teams in the following cities issue the pistol to their members:
Seminole TX PD
Petersburg AK PD
Raton NM PD
Ault CO PD
Kerville TX PD
Lake County MT Sheriff
Loveland CO PD
Mentor OH PD
Umatilla WA PD
Whitman City Sheriff
Grey GA PD
Bremfield OH PD

Traditional design meets space age manufacturing
How did Kimber, a company that had never manufactured a pistol before the 1990s, bring about the renaissance of the 1911 .45? By marrying John Browning’s proven century-old, robust and reliable design with a high-tech, state of the art manufacturing process.

Because Kimber was relatively new to the manufacture of the 1911 model, they were literally able to start from scratch with a brand new factory—called by some the most modern, fully computerized gun factory in America.

The first priority was CAD/CAM (Computer Assisted Design/Computer Assisted Manufacturing). Before making a single pistol, Kimber invested $1 million in a CAD/CAM system that had never been employed in the manufacture of a 1911 .45 automatic before. By using CAD/CAM, the Kimber’s tolerances are up to 3 times as tight as traditionally manufactured .45s.

While the dimensions of every part is important, the two most critical dimensions and fits on a 1911 are:
* Slide-to-frame
* Barrel-to-bushing-to-slide

These fits largely determine the reliability and accuracy of the pistol. The better the fit and the tighter the dimensions, the better the reliability and accuracy. It is in these two aspects that the modern manufacturing process at Kimber produces superior results. The result is a century-old design with accuracy and dependability equal or better to even the most recent pistol designs.

In the interests of full disclosure, I think it is only proper to inform the reader that I am not without bias when it comes to .45 automatics. I have been a .45 owner/enthusiast since my military days when my father gave me my first .45—a Colt Government Model-- as a gift for my 21st birthday. Over the past 20 years, I have owned and shot competitively (but not very!) .45s from Colt and Springfield Armory.

However, upon my introduction to Kimber in 2001, I am a devoted Kimber shooter exclusively. I own three Kimber .45s and their performance straight out of the box is superior to other .45s that I own that have been heavily customized at the cost of hundreds of dollars in aftermarket parts and pistolsmithing. Almost immediately the Kimber made me a better shooter.

I attribute this to the consistency of their manufacturing process and the high quality of each of the components. I imagine these are the same attributes that made our military and law enforcement heroes select the Kimber .45 as well.
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Old 06-12-2004, 06:53 PM   #2
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Signa, I have a Kimber and love it to death. Older model they don't make anymore, the Royal. 45's rule.
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the military does not feel that a sidearm is a primary weapon :jet:
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Old 06-12-2004, 08:31 PM   #5
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the military does not feel that a sidearm is a primary weapon :jet:
yeah, the paper pushers, bean counters, and chairborne rangers that is. but the troops doing the dirty work, would rather a 1911, than what they are forced to use.
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I love my 45
What kind of Springfield Armory .45 do you have?
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Old 06-12-2004, 10:58 PM   #7
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I too love my .45's,
Springfield Armory Standard Military and my 1943 Union Switch & Signal, U.S. Army.
If you believe as I that a side arm is a weapon used to get you to a long arm, I think there is no finer than a .45
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Old 06-12-2004, 11:18 PM   #8
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you know i love mine. all of them. my ithica gun 1943 is my favorite though.
don't own a kimber or a para yet, they are both on the list.
Kimber composite frame hi-cap compact.
Para the new warthog.
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Old 06-13-2004, 04:30 AM   #9
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Kimbers are real nice. But, my Colt has never let me down either.
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Old 06-13-2004, 05:33 AM   #10
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only takes someone to look at a 45acp cartrige sitting next to a 9mm for the diffrence to be seen......like a pitbull next to a rabbit.
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Old 06-13-2004, 09:37 AM   #11
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The only advantage I see when one compares the Berreta to the Colt is capasity....The old saying:"Nobody argues with a 45!" is the best defense. Besides, if you can't hit what you aim at, additional rounds only improve your number of misses.
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the military does not feel that a sidearm is a primary weapon :jet:
It is a primary weapon for some. It is determined by the commander. They qual you on it and stamp your card. It's quite easy really, if they want you to have it.
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I like my 1911a1 .45 its a 1988 model "Dennis"

Wurks ever time.

Eventually if you think about it it is possible to get way cool stuff for your .45
Tritum sights,
ivory grips too......................
I guess I am kinda a weirdo about my .45

Is that ok?
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Have both the RIA and the Sig in 45 great sidearms
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I've had several Colts, and one Springfield....as I mentioned before, though it seems silly to say, I've noticed that toys have personalities. That being said, the Colts have all had a very strong personality. The Springfield, however, was devoid of personality...completly! I'm at a loss to explain it but, there it is. I now have a Witness in 45 which is nice, handles okay and you can hit what you aim at. But, it is not a Colt! Nor does it have the "personality" of a Colt! But, it is 11 rounds.....Still, it ain't no Colt!
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Kimbers are great... as long as you stay away from the Series II models with the Swartz Firing Pin Safety. They are not as reliable as the earlier Kimber 1911's
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My dad had a Remington Rand and I loved that gun when I was a kid but it got stolen. Gotta get another one. I had a Colt and I really liked it but i gotta have another R.R. maybe after that I'll think about a Kimber. If I live that long.
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Back in the '90s, SOCOM called for a new 45 pistol. The HK Mark 23 was born, from which were derived the USPs. So the special guys get the round, why not the rest of the troops?
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