06-24-2004, 11:10 PM
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| Member  |  US Army uses Israeli bullets US Army uses Israeli bullets Friday 25 June 2004, 6:20 Makka Time, 3:20 GMT US officials called the use of Israeli bullets a 'sensitive topic' Israeli-made bullets bought by the US Army should be used for training only, not for combat in Iraq and Afghanistan, US lawmakers have told army generals. Since the army has other stockpiled ammunition, "by no means, under any circumstances should a round (from Israel) be utilised," said Representative Neil Abercrombie of Hawaii on Thursday - the top Democrat on a House of Representatives Armed Services subcommittee with jurisdiction over land forces. The US Army contracted with Israel Military Industries Ltd. in December for $70 million in small-calibre ammunition. It is unclear whether Abercrombie was addressing the possibility of Israeli bullets having been used in current Iraq and Afghanistan combat operations or simply suggesting future engagement rules. Two possible suppliers The Israeli firm was one of only two worldwide that could meet US technical specifications and delivery needs, said Brigadier General Paul Izzo, the army's programme executive officer for ammunition. The other was East Alton, Illinois-based Winchester Ammunition, which also received a $70 million contract. "There's a sensitivity that I think all of us recognise," Representative Curt Weldon told the army witnesses, including Major General Buford Blount, who led US troops that captured Baghdad in April 2003. "There's a sensitivity that I think all of us recognise" Curt Weldon, - US House Representative Blount, now the army's assistant deputy chief of staff, said they had sufficient small calibre ammunition - 5.56mm, 7.62mm and .50 calibre - to conduct current operations in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. Inventory strained But taken together with training needs, the US had strained its production facilities, he testified. "To fight a major combat operation in another theatre will require the army to impose restrictions on training expenditures and to focus current inventory and new production on combat operations," Blount said. He also said that the army's needs will grow to about 1.5 billion to 1.7 billion rounds a year in coming years. "In the near-term, balancing training requirements with current operational needs is a manageable risk-mitigation strategy," Blount said. The Army does not want to repeat its history of building capacity during wartime "only to dismantle it in peacetime," Blount added. Agencies http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...D124D81390.htm
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06-25-2004, 08:06 AM
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Trader Rating: (0) | Who cares if we kill those pieces of s@#$$#^ with a kosher round or not. Dang! Political correctness towards the enemy, and let's face it folks, those camel molesting scumbags are the enemy, is just plain silly! I wish we could use pig lard to lube the cases!
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06-25-2004, 08:28 AM
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Trader Rating: (0) | take all the kosher rounds and dip them in pig fat, then send them back to isreal to have each one engraved with the star of david then diped in pig fat again. then send them to our troops with directions to shoot everything that moves or stands still long enough.
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06-25-2004, 09:19 AM
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Trader Rating: (0) | i'd have to say about 10 to 20 thousand. you buy the rounds i'll get the fat melting, lol
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06-25-2004, 03:57 PM
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| Senior Member  | Mabe they are concerned about all the Isreali head stamps laying on the ground. Could look bad when Joe Jihad comes across his bud laying in a pool of blood with IMI headstamps laying all around. just a thought.
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06-25-2004, 04:02 PM
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| Super Moderator   | IMI some some very good bullets -- the SS109 is still one of their highest quality.
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06-25-2004, 04:30 PM
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| Senior Member  | I run their brass, it's top shelf stuff. Happiness is a warm barrel. I say buy and use as many as you can on them bast**ds. It's time to put any PC aside and get on with the program. Killing is killing it doesn't have to be pretty it just has to be swift.
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06-25-2004, 04:43 PM
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| Super Moderator | I agree the brass is very good its right up there with Starline for quality and durability
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06-26-2004, 07:22 AM
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Trader Rating: (0) | Does anyone remember 41A&E? IMI was the sole maker at one point. I liked the round, abit mild but, it worked good and had that 40 cal. hole! Anyway, Shaun, I'd like to add Aguilla to your list....they had some truly nice 45ACP with nickel plated brass cases....very, very nice...I thought.
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06-28-2004, 07:29 AM
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Trader Rating: (0) | That may depend on who's head and, head, with or without turban! If it's a turban, well, i guess it's okay!
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