06-29-2004, 03:09 AM
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For this to make sense you will need to open the first attachment first then the second.
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06-30-2004, 12:45 AM
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You are not the only one pal!
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06-30-2004, 02:00 AM
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Yup!
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06-30-2004, 11:08 AM
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Just checking today......yup, I'm still very, very angry about Waco!
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06-30-2004, 08:46 PM
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It still doesn't make sense. A lunatic child rapist and his brainwashed followers place children in the middle of an armed showdown. The adults all got every lick of flame that they deserve (and continue to receive). The children were murdered by their parents. You can point the finger at the government all you want, but the blame rests on the davidians. May they burn forever.
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07-01-2004, 12:08 AM
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He said it, not me. I agree though. |
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07-01-2004, 12:24 AM
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Why not arrest the accused lunatic child rapist on the way to the store, instead of storming their compound?
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07-01-2004, 12:35 AM
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I was young when that happened. But I'm afraid that my opinion will differ from the majority here. David Koresh deserved to die like the rest of the child rapists out there. We have no problem with that when a child rapist hits the news from time to time....unfortunately this one involved our every trusted gov't and a bunch of guns on both sides. Waco doesn't pizz me off near as much as Ruby Ridge. In Waco those parents did that to their children. The blood is on their hands. As for Ruby Ridge....I could care less about all the "set up weapons violations." There is no reason for that woman or child to be dead. Horiochi (sp?) is a murderer. Oh God! I just agreed with Lenny and Kaneko! 
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07-01-2004, 07:53 AM
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07-01-2004, 07:48 PM
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Let's assume that the Davidians were all baby killers and father rapers and that they liked to eat their dead and so on ... would that justify the UN crossing all lines of sovereignty and coming into Texas and "cleaning it up"? How is it different for the US to do it? Some of you guys seem like federal hand puppets to me. |
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07-01-2004, 11:08 PM
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Damright.......your post is vaild.....but what's wrong with father raping and eating the dead? As the law is (and I don't like it when it pertains to the BATF), if you comit a firearm violation under federal statutes they have the jurisdiction. I don't like it, but that's the way it is. David Koresh was a child rapist....I wish we killed them all...the parents that subjected their children to that.....I wish we killed them too......
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07-01-2004, 11:49 PM
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Just when I thiought it was safe to go back swimming at the beach... 
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07-02-2004, 12:21 AM
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its very simple BATFE (KGB2) is only out to control anyone they feel is borderline. They set a guy up 4 miles from me last year by planting C4 at the residence. He has a Class III with endorsements for silencers and they tried to say they were illegal - of course every one of them was returned when his attorney presented a full copy of the licenses and tax payments for each one. Charges for explosives were dropped because they could not prove possession.
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07-02-2004, 12:36 AM
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The fight is with the Legislative Branch....
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07-02-2004, 01:31 AM
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I think the question still stands, Why not arrest the accused lunatic child rapist on the way to the store, instead of storming their compound?
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07-02-2004, 02:08 AM
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Maybe because they knew they needed to go to the compound anyways for the illegal guns that were there. Maybe Koresh gave instructions to shoot anyone that came to the compound. Maybe they wanted to catch him red handed doing illegal activities. Now I think THESE questions still stand: Why did the cultists put their children in the middle of a tense, armed conflict? Why didn't the cultists submit to the warrant? Why didn't the cultists choose to douse their compound in gasoline? Why did the cultists have illegal weapons? Why did the cultists continue to be a part of a standoff, in which they had explosives and flammable items, when their prophecy handed down from Koresh himself, told of a fiery and destructive end (maybe because it was THEM that wanted to go down in flames...)? | |
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07-02-2004, 08:45 AM
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It's fair to say mistakes were made during that time. However, dealing with a doomsday cult is much different than any kind of harassment our friends might experience. Had they arrested him in town, driving his trans-am, what would have happened at the compound? Obviously he was willing to burn himself and everyone else up instead of submit to a search warrant. What galvinized the opponents of the govt. actions was the footage of guys in SWAT gear raiding a house and everything nasty. If you had some conspiracy theories needing a little more fuel, the nightly news gave it to you cheerfully. Call me a sheep, a lemming or, whatever rhymes with Tammy Levine (long story), but; if the BATF is knocking at my door, I'll open it for them. I know people with more guns than all of us combined and they don't fear the govt. It's actually a grandiose notion to think the govt. is out to get you. David Koresh was the guy who turned the escalator on and didn't stop it, not the govt. I don't think any Law enforcement agency wants to have a firefight if they can avoid it. Our system of justice is pretty good. Nothing's perfect, but it is amazing how well it works. |
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07-02-2004, 09:37 AM
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I think those of you who are happy they were killed have your facts wrong and you don't get the point here. But, it's America, just remember, one day you may find yourselves at odds with the Reno justice department. We'll see how you feel about it then. Okay, I've said my part, now liberals and bleeding hearts and, those smarter than me, go ahead...rip my head off!
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