Feinstein and AWB renewal

Shaun · 06-29-2004, 05:16 PM

Hey is looks like we are truly going to see a sunset but don't let your guard down.

pulled from sfgate.com

Washington -- Sen. Dianne Feinstein knows the odds are increasingly daunting as she tries to win congressional renewal of her 10-year-old assault weapons ban before it expires Sept. 13, and she warns that if the law lapses "you can expect the market to become flooded'' with such guns as AK-47s and Uzis.

The California Democrat will be home in San Francisco on Tuesday to join her colleague Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., and San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom in marking the 11th anniversary week of the 101 California St. shootings that killed eight people and left six others wounded. The shootings helped persuade Congress to pass the assault weapons ban a decade ago. A frustrated Feinstein is looking toward November's elections to produce a president and a House leadership more supportive of gun control.

"I really believe passionately in this,'' Feinstein said in an interview about her bid for the renewal. "I'm not going to give up.''

Feinstein won a momentary victory on March 2 when the Senate voted 52-47 to adopt the renewal as an amendment to a gun manufacturers' liability shield legislation backed by the National Rifle Association. But the NRA scuttled the entire bill when it told its supporters that it didn't want the liability shield, which was the industry's main legislative goal for the year, to pass with Feinstein's assault ban amendment.

Feinstein is searching for another piece of legislation to serve as a vehicle for her amendment, which bans the manufacture and sale of 19 types of semiautomatic weapons and ammunition clips of more than 10 rounds. But there are only about 20 legislative days left in Congress before Sept. 13, and even if the bill passes the Senate, the House Republican leadership has said it won't allow the renewal to come up for a floor vote.

The NRA and other elements of the powerful gun lobby say the Feinstein's assault weapons ban has been ineffective and violates what they consider Americans' Second Amendment rights to own guns. The groups have lobbied vehemently to keep the legislation from reaching the floor.

On its legislative action Web site, the NRA tells its members it is girded for action. "The stage is now set for a showdown, and you can be sure we're in for a sustained political battle over the next three months,'' it said.

During his 2000 campaign, President Bush pledged to sign a renewal of the assault weapons law, a pledge repeated since then many times by Bush spokesmen. But Feinstein and her allies blast the president for not lobbying Congress to pass the bill.

"The president has done nothing,'' Feinstein said. "His party is in control and is controlled by the gun industry.

"We need a president who doesn't want assault weapons on our streets,'' added Feinstein, who warned that after the ban ends, "you can expect more incidents'' such as the July 1, 1993, shootings at 101 California in which a gunman used two TEC-9 semiautomatic weapons on a rampage through the office tower. The guns were among those banned under the law passed narrowly the next year.

Feinstein said the percentage of assault weapons used in crimes has fallen by two-thirds since the legislation took effect. Opponents, using a separate set of statistics, say such weapons were used in 2 percent of violent crimes before 1994, a figure that has remained constant.

Robert Spitzer of the State University of New York at Cortland, who has studied gun legislation, said Feinstein can claim some success.

"There is truth in that the assault weapons ban put a partial brake on guns and that effect will be gone after Sept. 13,'' he said.

Even with the law in effect, semiautomatic weapons have been readily available since 1994 through the largely cosmetic changes manufacturers have been allowed to make to keep their guns on the market. Hundreds of types of semiautomatics remained legal.

Also, as Feinstein points out in response to critics who say she is out to seize their weapons, all pre-1994 guns are still legal.

None of the arguments matter to the rifle association. The group's executive vice president, Wayne LaPierre, told the NRA annual convention in Pittsburgh in April that once Sept. 13 comes, Feinstein's law will be history.

"I'm here to promise you that's the end of it. It's over,'' he said. "On Sept. 14, the sun will rise and it will never see the light of day again as long as we stay strong.''

On the NRA's new radio program, host Cam Edwards has told listeners that he expected Feinstein and her supporters to claim that the law's demise would mean a flood of guns, a claim he described as false.

"What you are going to hear in the media is the line that there'll be Uzis in the hands of terrorists. ... There will be an effort to paint it as an antiterrorism bill,'' he said on Thursday's program.

For Bush, the fading chances that the ban renewal will reach his desk is good news, said Richard Feldman, a lobbyist for gun manufacturers.

"It would be close to his political death if he signed it before the election,'' he said, because gun rights supporters would take it out on him at the polls, probably by staying away rather than voting for Bush's Democratic opponent, Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, who voted for the ban's renewal.

"Come January, it's a different story. Then, if he's re-elected, he'd be forced to sign the bill, if he gets a clean one that just contains an extension of the existing law,'' Feldman said.

Feinstein and her allies are trying to stir up public interest in the debate, but it's hard in a political climate where the war in Iraq, the battle against terrorism and economic concerns are at center stage. "Those three issues loom large and will dwarf any others,'' Spitzer said.

In such a climate, the rifle association and other gun lobbies gain political traction because their adherents tend to be single-issue voters who can punish those in Congress who support the assault weapons ban or other gun control measures.

That's one reason that even Feinstein admitted that some House members are breathing a sigh of relief that they won't have to vote on her legislation this year, going into tough races in some closely divided districts.

But she insists she will persist.

"Right is on our side. Public opinion is on our side. It's only the sheer power of the gun lobby that stands in the way,'' Feinstein said.

Stopper · 06-29-2004, 05:38 PM

Can't Wait For Sept. 13th To Get Here And Pass And Have Some Less Expensive Guns Out There To Purchase!!!!!!!!!

NRAJOE · 06-29-2004, 05:45 PM

jerry · 06-29-2004, 06:24 PM

I really want my inexpensive 50 rd 10/22 mags back

Rocklobster · 06-29-2004, 07:29 PM

Neither right nor public opinion are on her side, if you go by the results of the recent CNN poll.

Dennis · 06-29-2004, 09:47 PM

In a weird way the fienstien awb helped stop a bunch of liberal agenda things from happening
the AWB was passed and the next year there where so many people pissed of and they went to the polls and voted out many democrats from congress (republican revolution of 94)
then, because we had such a poor republican candidate in 96 Clinton won again
repub congress democratic prez
now that we have a repub Prez and a repub congress the dems are doing all sorts of strange things.
keeping federal judges from getting voted on
shutting out legislation
adding poision pills to every bill
the industry protection bill was about protecting the firearms industry from litagation from people that got shot. The need for such a silly law to protect from such a silly idea that the gun manufacturers are some how responsible for the people that are getting shot is telling of how silly american legal society has become
the shielding legislation was going to help the law suit happy situation
now its gone

as we get farther and farther away from common sense and logical government the weaker our nation will become.
the republicans are at least trying to get this huge "ship of state" turned around and heading away from the drop off of the waterfall.

every one complains yet no one will do anything about it
the now defeated Industry lawsuit protection bill was a step in the right direction
The Democrats defeated it
not by out voteing it but by poisoning it
what they cant control they will kill
no matter what

Shaun · 06-29-2004, 10:01 PM

Dennis the Dem's killed the immunity bill by adding on the extension (ie.... poisoning the bill)

Rufus Rhastus J · 06-30-2004, 11:02 AM

I am hopeful but, I'm not holding my breath!

BattleRifleG3 · 07-01-2004, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diane Feinstein

"you can expect the market to become flooded'' with such guns as AK-47s and Uzis.

Sure sounds like a threat to me.

There have been connections between the dumocrats and illegal arms smuggling.

Rave · 07-01-2004, 11:55 PM

Keep an eye on the news,the stories about assault weapons being used in crime should start coming thick and fast soon! :nod:

07-02-2004, 02:12 AM

Even if the AWB does sunset, another bill just like it will be ever simmering close by. It will not be a relief to me when it expires because they will try to get another one in like it, or worse, until there are no more liberals sucking air.

Shaun · 07-02-2004, 03:54 AM

it should be enough time that the market can get flooded with enough product to set up a large preban market again if they did manage to get another one by with a future admin.

Rufus Rhastus J · 07-02-2004, 09:31 AM

Maybe it's me...But, don't you wonder, when this piece of shizzit is speaking in public, why someone doesn't jump up from the audience and bust her head open with an axe? I know it's messy but, she really would look nice with a permenant crease in her forehead! Best part is her mouth would stop moveing! That's worth a pail of water and a mop, isn't it?

Rave · 07-06-2004, 01:09 PM

AK's are starting to pop up in the news,when no assault weapon is used no mention is made of the type of firearm used,hurry up September,hurry up! :assult:

Dennis · 07-06-2004, 02:50 PM

reading some of the latest things it has become obvious to me that the democrats are furiously struggeling to keep the old tired liberal issues alive.
gun control, public health care things like this thar have been defeated in the past
the Awb was softened so as to make it silly and useless
and now it is sunsetting because it was stupid in the first place
ya notice that school shootings increased After the awb
it was knee jerk emotionally based legislation
illogical and unneccessary.
and we haven had a school shooting in a while have we
the AWB was a reaction to some bad things that happend and did nothing to address Why those bad things happend.
why do kids and others have to go crazy and start shooting their co workers and co students?
Do you know?
A blind man can see it in a second
disrespect and lack of mannors and curtesy
see since time immorial we humans need to be treated with respect and curtesy by other humans
when it becomes "ok" to hate others because they are different or because we decide we are better than them, bad things happen
the guns are just the tools.

Rufus Rhastus J · 07-07-2004, 06:33 AM

The mill, if it's to stay in business, needs grist....Wake up the sleepers!

06-29-2004, 05:16 PM	#1
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,776 Images: 1	Feinstein and AWB renewal Hey is looks like we are truly going to see a sunset but don't let your guard down. pulled from sfgate.com Washington -- Sen. Dianne Feinstein knows the odds are increasingly daunting as she tries to win congressional renewal of her 10-year-old assault weapons ban before it expires Sept. 13, and she warns that if the law lapses "you can expect the market to become flooded'' with such guns as AK-47s and Uzis. The California Democrat will be home in San Francisco on Tuesday to join her colleague Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., and San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom in marking the 11th anniversary week of the 101 California St. shootings that killed eight people and left six others wounded. The shootings helped persuade Congress to pass the assault weapons ban a decade ago. A frustrated Feinstein is looking toward November's elections to produce a president and a House leadership more supportive of gun control. "I really believe passionately in this,'' Feinstein said in an interview about her bid for the renewal. "I'm not going to give up.'' Feinstein won a momentary victory on March 2 when the Senate voted 52-47 to adopt the renewal as an amendment to a gun manufacturers' liability shield legislation backed by the National Rifle Association. But the NRA scuttled the entire bill when it told its supporters that it didn't want the liability shield, which was the industry's main legislative goal for the year, to pass with Feinstein's assault ban amendment. Feinstein is searching for another piece of legislation to serve as a vehicle for her amendment, which bans the manufacture and sale of 19 types of semiautomatic weapons and ammunition clips of more than 10 rounds. But there are only about 20 legislative days left in Congress before Sept. 13, and even if the bill passes the Senate, the House Republican leadership has said it won't allow the renewal to come up for a floor vote. The NRA and other elements of the powerful gun lobby say the Feinstein's assault weapons ban has been ineffective and violates what they consider Americans' Second Amendment rights to own guns. The groups have lobbied vehemently to keep the legislation from reaching the floor. On its legislative action Web site, the NRA tells its members it is girded for action. "The stage is now set for a showdown, and you can be sure we're in for a sustained political battle over the next three months,'' it said. During his 2000 campaign, President Bush pledged to sign a renewal of the assault weapons law, a pledge repeated since then many times by Bush spokesmen. But Feinstein and her allies blast the president for not lobbying Congress to pass the bill. "The president has done nothing,'' Feinstein said. "His party is in control and is controlled by the gun industry. "We need a president who doesn't want assault weapons on our streets,'' added Feinstein, who warned that after the ban ends, "you can expect more incidents'' such as the July 1, 1993, shootings at 101 California in which a gunman used two TEC-9 semiautomatic weapons on a rampage through the office tower. The guns were among those banned under the law passed narrowly the next year. Feinstein said the percentage of assault weapons used in crimes has fallen by two-thirds since the legislation took effect. Opponents, using a separate set of statistics, say such weapons were used in 2 percent of violent crimes before 1994, a figure that has remained constant. Robert Spitzer of the State University of New York at Cortland, who has studied gun legislation, said Feinstein can claim some success. "There is truth in that the assault weapons ban put a partial brake on guns and that effect will be gone after Sept. 13,'' he said. Even with the law in effect, semiautomatic weapons have been readily available since 1994 through the largely cosmetic changes manufacturers have been allowed to make to keep their guns on the market. Hundreds of types of semiautomatics remained legal. Also, as Feinstein points out in response to critics who say she is out to seize their weapons, all pre-1994 guns are still legal. None of the arguments matter to the rifle association. The group's executive vice president, Wayne LaPierre, told the NRA annual convention in Pittsburgh in April that once Sept. 13 comes, Feinstein's law will be history. "I'm here to promise you that's the end of it. It's over,'' he said. "On Sept. 14, the sun will rise and it will never see the light of day again as long as we stay strong.'' On the NRA's new radio program, host Cam Edwards has told listeners that he expected Feinstein and her supporters to claim that the law's demise would mean a flood of guns, a claim he described as false. "What you are going to hear in the media is the line that there'll be Uzis in the hands of terrorists. ... There will be an effort to paint it as an antiterrorism bill,'' he said on Thursday's program. For Bush, the fading chances that the ban renewal will reach his desk is good news, said Richard Feldman, a lobbyist for gun manufacturers. "It would be close to his political death if he signed it before the election,'' he said, because gun rights supporters would take it out on him at the polls, probably by staying away rather than voting for Bush's Democratic opponent, Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, who voted for the ban's renewal. "Come January, it's a different story. Then, if he's re-elected, he'd be forced to sign the bill, if he gets a clean one that just contains an extension of the existing law,'' Feldman said. Feinstein and her allies are trying to stir up public interest in the debate, but it's hard in a political climate where the war in Iraq, the battle against terrorism and economic concerns are at center stage. "Those three issues loom large and will dwarf any others,'' Spitzer said. In such a climate, the rifle association and other gun lobbies gain political traction because their adherents tend to be single-issue voters who can punish those in Congress who support the assault weapons ban or other gun control measures. That's one reason that even Feinstein admitted that some House members are breathing a sigh of relief that they won't have to vote on her legislation this year, going into tough races in some closely divided districts. But she insists she will persist. "Right is on our side. Public opinion is on our side. It's only the sheer power of the gun lobby that stands in the way,'' Feinstein said. __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

06-29-2004, 05:38 PM	#2
Stopper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansass Posts: 2,214 Images: 1	Can't Wait For Sept. 13th To Get Here And Pass And Have Some Less Expensive Guns Out There To Purchase!!!!!!!!! __________________ They should have stopped at "Congress shall make no law"

06-29-2004, 05:45 PM	#3
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06-29-2004, 06:24 PM	#4
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 11,512 Images: 8 Blog Entries: 1	I really want my inexpensive 50 rd 10/22 mags back __________________ Proud member of the"Last Minute Hunt Club" Why decide today when we ain't goin' til tomorrow

06-29-2004, 09:47 PM	#6
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,896	In a weird way the fienstien awb helped stop a bunch of liberal agenda things from happening the AWB was passed and the next year there where so many people pissed of and they went to the polls and voted out many democrats from congress (republican revolution of 94) then, because we had such a poor republican candidate in 96 Clinton won again repub congress democratic prez now that we have a repub Prez and a repub congress the dems are doing all sorts of strange things. keeping federal judges from getting voted on shutting out legislation adding poision pills to every bill the industry protection bill was about protecting the firearms industry from litagation from people that got shot. The need for such a silly law to protect from such a silly idea that the gun manufacturers are some how responsible for the people that are getting shot is telling of how silly american legal society has become the shielding legislation was going to help the law suit happy situation now its gone as we get farther and farther away from common sense and logical government the weaker our nation will become. the republicans are at least trying to get this huge "ship of state" turned around and heading away from the drop off of the waterfall. every one complains yet no one will do anything about it the now defeated Industry lawsuit protection bill was a step in the right direction The Democrats defeated it not by out voteing it but by poisoning it what they cant control they will kill no matter what __________________ Submitted with respect to all

06-29-2004, 07:29 PM	#5
Rocklobster Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Georgia Posts: 64	Neither right nor public opinion are on her side, if you go by the results of the recent CNN poll.

06-29-2004, 10:01 PM	#7
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,776 Images: 1	Dennis the Dem's killed the immunity bill by adding on the extension (ie.... poisoning the bill) __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

06-30-2004, 11:02 AM	#8
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	I am hopeful but, I'm not holding my breath! __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

07-01-2004, 11:55 PM	#10
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 7,193	Keep an eye on the news,the stories about assault weapons being used in crime should start coming thick and fast soon! :nod: __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

07-02-2004, 02:12 AM	#11
Lenny2 Guest Posts: n/a	Even if the AWB does sunset, another bill just like it will be ever simmering close by. It will not be a relief to me when it expires because they will try to get another one in like it, or worse, until there are no more liberals sucking air.

07-02-2004, 03:54 AM	#12
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,776 Images: 1	it should be enough time that the market can get flooded with enough product to set up a large preban market again if they did manage to get another one by with a future admin. __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

07-02-2004, 09:31 AM	#13
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	Maybe it's me...But, don't you wonder, when this piece of shizzit is speaking in public, why someone doesn't jump up from the audience and bust her head open with an axe? I know it's messy but, she really would look nice with a permenant crease in her forehead! Best part is her mouth would stop moveing! That's worth a pail of water and a mop, isn't it? __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

07-06-2004, 01:09 PM	#14
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 7,193	AK's are starting to pop up in the news,when no assault weapon is used no mention is made of the type of firearm used,hurry up September,hurry up! :assult: __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

07-06-2004, 02:50 PM	#15
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,896	reading some of the latest things it has become obvious to me that the democrats are furiously struggeling to keep the old tired liberal issues alive. gun control, public health care things like this thar have been defeated in the past the Awb was softened so as to make it silly and useless and now it is sunsetting because it was stupid in the first place ya notice that school shootings increased After the awb it was knee jerk emotionally based legislation illogical and unneccessary. and we haven had a school shooting in a while have we the AWB was a reaction to some bad things that happend and did nothing to address Why those bad things happend. why do kids and others have to go crazy and start shooting their co workers and co students? Do you know? A blind man can see it in a second disrespect and lack of mannors and curtesy see since time immorial we humans need to be treated with respect and curtesy by other humans when it becomes "ok" to hate others because they are different or because we decide we are better than them, bad things happen the guns are just the tools. __________________ Submitted with respect to all

07-07-2004, 06:33 AM	#16
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	The mill, if it's to stay in business, needs grist....Wake up the sleepers! __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf