FL - Civy's to become spies.

Shaun · 07-14-2004, 01:43 PM

Looks like the gov is asking for citizens to spy on citizens

Florida Citizens to Help Catch Terrorists

Wednesday, July 14, 2004

MIAMI — Law enforcement officials in central Florida are planning to train cable repairmen, exterminators and apartment managers to report signs of terrorism inside their clients’ homes.

Supporters of the program say making private citizens the eyes and ears of the police will save lives.

But opponents, like the ACLU, call the plan “un-American” and say it’s a violation of privacy.

Operation TIPS, a similar program proposed by President Bush, was withdrawn in 2002 after critics said it would lead to racial profiling.

So far, 5,000 brochures detailing the Florida plan have been printed, and volunteers will be trained what to look for.

But Orange County officials stress that people who go through the training will be encouraged to only report what they see — not search for evidence.

Fred Vetter · 07-14-2004, 03:15 PM

Face it, Big Brother is watching us all, in one way or another.

SilverRun · 07-14-2004, 06:53 PM

Seems like that would open their employers to all sorts of legal problems.

Exterminating foreign terrorist - great idea! Using the bug exterminator to do it - BAD idea. Don't we have people paid to do this sorta thing?

Big Dog · 07-14-2004, 07:16 PM

Yep, this bright idea will die a quick death after the first few million-dollar lawsuits against the state. Jeb has been coming up with some real "doozies" lately. He is no friend of state workers, and now he's gonna pizz off the rest of the folks. Smooth move, Jeb. That sucking sound you'll soon be hearing is your political carreer going down the toilet . . .

Doglips · 07-14-2004, 07:35 PM

Some other state did this with Pizza deliver people...for underage drinking.

Rufus Rhastus J · 07-15-2004, 07:48 AM

Just because I am paranoid, I have little to do with my neighbors and nobody but, family or friends do I invite into my home. All others remain outside. Sadly, my work schedule is written in stone but, otherwise, I pay my rent, say "good morning" and close my door to the outside, lock it, apply the chain and forget there is anything outside. Stuff like this continues to concern me about Bush. We all want the terrorists to burn in hell but, spying on citizens is just plain going too far. I go on record opposing this move. There are too many turbin heads to watch besides ordinary people. My complaint has always been the gumint does not look in the obvious areas...but, rather the normal citizens. Makes me continue to wonder who is the real enemy...the terrorists or the gumint. Maybe they are just two sides of the same coin. I am very concerned and have been ever since this PA garbage got started. It all needs to go and all envolved should be charged with treason against the American people.

savparts · 07-15-2004, 08:00 AM

Does 1776 ring any bells??? maybe 2006 will???

colt45 · 07-15-2004, 08:13 AM

yep here we go right back to turn in your neighbor again.

07-14-2004, 01:43 PM	#1
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,592 Images: 1	FL - Civy's to become spies. Looks like the gov is asking for citizens to spy on citizens Florida Citizens to Help Catch Terrorists Wednesday, July 14, 2004 MIAMI — Law enforcement officials in central Florida are planning to train cable repairmen, exterminators and apartment managers to report signs of terrorism inside their clients’ homes. Supporters of the program say making private citizens the eyes and ears of the police will save lives. But opponents, like the ACLU, call the plan “un-American” and say it’s a violation of privacy. Operation TIPS, a similar program proposed by President Bush, was withdrawn in 2002 after critics said it would lead to racial profiling. So far, 5,000 brochures detailing the Florida plan have been printed, and volunteers will be trained what to look for. But Orange County officials stress that people who go through the training will be encouraged to only report what they see — not search for evidence. __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

07-14-2004, 07:16 PM	#4
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,208	Yep, this bright idea will die a quick death after the first few million-dollar lawsuits against the state. Jeb has been coming up with some real "doozies" lately. He is no friend of state workers, and now he's gonna pizz off the rest of the folks. Smooth move, Jeb. That sucking sound you'll soon be hearing is your political carreer going down the toilet . . . __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

07-15-2004, 07:48 AM	#6
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	Just because I am paranoid, I have little to do with my neighbors and nobody but, family or friends do I invite into my home. All others remain outside. Sadly, my work schedule is written in stone but, otherwise, I pay my rent, say "good morning" and close my door to the outside, lock it, apply the chain and forget there is anything outside. Stuff like this continues to concern me about Bush. We all want the terrorists to burn in hell but, spying on citizens is just plain going too far. I go on record opposing this move. There are too many turbin heads to watch besides ordinary people. My complaint has always been the gumint does not look in the obvious areas...but, rather the normal citizens. Makes me continue to wonder who is the real enemy...the terrorists or the gumint. Maybe they are just two sides of the same coin. I am very concerned and have been ever since this PA garbage got started. It all needs to go and all envolved should be charged with treason against the American people. __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf Last edited by Rufus Rhastus J; 07-15-2004 at 07:55 AM.

07-15-2004, 08:00 AM	#7
savparts Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 91	Does 1776 ring any bells??? maybe 2006 will??? __________________ [For those who have fought for it, Freedom has a meaning the protected will never know]

07-15-2004, 08:13 AM	#8
colt45 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Occupied Territories of New York (Buffalo) Posts: 2,898	yep here we go right back to turn in your neighbor again. __________________ "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" -Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanalysis "If guns cause crime, all of mine are defective." - Ted Nugent "Self-defense is Nature's eldest law." -John Dryden

07-14-2004, 03:15 PM	#2
Fred Vetter Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mc Ewen, Tn. Posts: 93	Face it, Big Brother is watching us all, in one way or another.

07-14-2004, 06:53 PM	#3
SilverRun Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AL Posts: 1,661	Seems like that would open their employers to all sorts of legal problems. Exterminating foreign terrorist - great idea! Using the bug exterminator to do it - BAD idea. Don't we have people paid to do this sorta thing?

07-14-2004, 07:35 PM	#5
Doglips Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cocoa Florida Posts: 9,089	Some other state did this with Pizza deliver people...for underage drinking.