This is Scary!

Despoiler · 07-15-2004, 01:02 AM

This is Scary! I wonder if this guy knows what he's talking about?

Williams claims that al-Qaida has been planning a spectacular nuclear attack using six or seven suitcase nuclear bombs that would be detonated simulantaneously in U.S. cities.

"They want the most bang for the buck, and that is nuclear," Williams told NewsMax.

"I expect such an attack would come between now and the end of 2005," the author said.

In addition to writing several books on terrorism, Williams, an investigative journalist, has worked as an FBI consultant.

Williams' contention is not far from what U.S. intelligence believes, a source close to Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge has told NewsMax. The source said Ridge claimed that U.S. intelligence believes terrorists already have smuggled into the U.S. actual atomic devices, as opposed to so-called "dirty nukes" that simply are conventional bombs that help spread radiation.

The Bush administration has warned for years that terrorists pose a nuclear threat to America.

Williams' book presents a review of the increasing spread of nuclear weapons technology, which the author says can be traced to India's nuclear tests in the early 1970s. It accelerated when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991.

Shortly after the Indian nuclear tests, Pakistan made an all-out effort to join the nuclear club, the author says. Islamabad received help from sympathetic nations, namely China and North Korea.

Williams traces the rampant spread of nuclear bomb development to a leading Pakistani scientist, Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan.

Khan, described as an "Islamic extremist," also has been depicted by former CIA chief George Tenet as "the father of Pakistan's nuclear program."

It is believed the Pakistani gained his expertise while working in the Netherlands, where he allegedly stole technology used in uranium reprocessing, a key procedure for building an atomic bomb.

Pakistan successfully detonated two nuclear weapons inside a northern mountain range in the late 1990s.

Khan, arrested by Pakistani police in February under White House pressure, admitted selling nuclear technology to numerous foreign countries, including North Korea and Libya.

Williams reports that Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl was investigating Khan at the time he was kidnapped and later killed in 2003.

Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, fearing a backlash from radical Muslims, granted Khan a pardon but restricted his travels.

According to Williams, another beneficiary of Khan's "contacts" was al-Qaida. The author reports that the U.S. got its first "hard" evidence of a connection when it invaded the Afghan capital of Kabul in 2001.

A former al-Qaida safe house was found to be loaded with documents detailing dealings with the Pakistani scientist.

The finding was so serious, says Williams, that Tenet traveled to Afghanistan and Pakistan to follow up on the discovery.

Tenet: 'They Are Coming'

Perhaps it was such intelligence that led Tenet to say in October 2002: "The threat environment we face is as bad as it was before September 11. It is serious. They have reconstituted. They are coming after us."

Almost from the moment 9/11 happened, the U.S. has been on a heightened state of alert and worry over the possible use of nuclear weapons. On the day of the attack, President Bush left Florida and began criss-crossing the country in Air Force One in maneuvers consistent with a president preparing for a nuclear attack.

Shortly after Sept. 11, Taliban leader Mullah Omar claimed to the BBC that the main intent of al-Qaida was the "bigger cause," which he described as the "destruction of America."

Asked pointedly if this meant the use of nuclear weapons againt the U.S., he responded: "This is not a matter of weapons. We are hopeful for God's help. The real matter is the extinction of America. And, God willing, it will fall to the ground."

Omar cryptically suggested that a nuclear plan was already under way at the time of Sept. 11.

He said: "The plan is going ahead and, God willing, it is being implemented. But it is a huge task, which is beyond the will and comprehension of human beings. If God's help is with us, this will happen within a short period of time; keep in mind this prediction."

The Russian Connection

The author points out that the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 made matters worse:

"The Chechen Mafia reportedly sold twenty nuclear suitcases in Grozny to representatives of Osama bin Laden and the Mujahadeen [in 1996]. For their weapons, bin Laden paid $30 million in cash and two tons of heroin."

Al-Qaida's leader, says Williams, is a major drug producer and runner in Afghanistan.

"It is the drug money, not the bin Laden family fortune, that is the financial engine for al-Qaida," he points out.

Today, Williams says, more than 40 Russian "nuclear suitcases" cannot be accounted for.

The suitcases are miniaturized tactical nuclear bombs (in some cases weighing less than 40 pounds) that originally were planned by the Cold War-era Kremlin to be detonated inside the U.S. in the event of war.

Most could cause damage equal to or greater than the crude device Washington dropped on Hiroshima during World War II.

The author says some of these weapons still remain stateside in a "sleeper" status controlled by Russian military officials who believe a war with the U.S. "is still possible."

Others, as many as 10, might be under al-Qaida's control, says Williams.

What kind of damage could such a weapon do? The CIA estimates the Russian nuclear suitcases to have an explosive yield approaching 10 kilotons.

Williams, referring to estimates by Theodore Taylor, a prominent American physicist who miniaturized the atomic bomb and visited the site of the World Trade Center in 1993, says a suitcase bomb could "emit intense thermal radiation, creating a fireball with a diameter that would expand to 460 feet. The core of the fireball would reach a maximum temperature of 10 million degrees Celsius ... ." The author says the heat that collapsed the Twin Towers never exceeded 5,000 degrees Celsius.

Had such a bomb been used in 9/11, Williams claims, "The World Trade Center towers, all of Wall Street and the financial district, along with the lower tip of Manhattan up to Gramercy Park and much of midtown, including the theater district, would lie in ruins."

Of those who might survive the blast, 50 percent of the survivors could expect to die at the rate of "250,000 people on any given day," Williams reports.

And how could al-Qaida manage to transport such weapons into the U.S.?

Williams points out that the borders with Mexico and Canada are still dangerously porous and not equipped to detect the smuggling of nuclear materials.

U.S. seaports are even more vulnerable, he argues.

Though New York City would seem to be the No. 1 target of another attack by al-Qaida, Williams points out other U.S. cities have been mentioned in intercepted intelligence chatter.

Among those discussed: Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago, Dallas, Philadelphia, Miami, Washington and Rappahannock County, Va.

Why a small rural county in Virginia? Williams says it houses the underground command center the White House would use in time of war.

He hastens to add that time "may not be on our side."

"It was eight years between the World Trade Center attacks. Islam preaches patience. They will attack when they want," Williams concluded.

More chilling was the response from the International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog.

One official, speaking on background, told NewsMax: "We have no comment. It is not within our responsibility to track atomic bombs."

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...3/171536.shtml

whirlwind · 07-15-2004, 01:06 AM

i dont doubt that nukes are planted in the states,but i do doubt they are controled by a terrorist organization. if they were i think they would have used them instead of planes on 9/11

Rave · 07-15-2004, 01:49 AM

If,in fact,the ,gasp terrorists aren't in control,then who is?

whirlwind · 07-15-2004, 01:58 AM

now,i dont know.but they were placed during the cold war by the soviet union. i do sincerely hope that bin laden runs outa cash defending himself before he does find a rogue agent of the former soviet union and does purchase the access codes and locations of them.

Doglips · 07-15-2004, 07:17 AM

never know.....but then again Kerry could win and ....which would be worse the nukes or the nutcase in charge??????

You can get an ulcer from worrieing about it.

colt45 · 07-15-2004, 09:33 AM

thats a good point, i think i'd rather take my chances with the nuke.

Rufus Rhastus J · 07-15-2004, 10:00 AM

I've heard rumors about the suitcase nukes. With all the money Saudi pays them terrorists, I've wondered how long it would take for them to be aquired. if they do use them on us, it is my hope that we destroy them all...good, the bad...the ugly. And finally, be done with them.

Shaun · 07-15-2004, 12:54 PM

I almost wouldn't mind if they hit Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago these areas are filled with liberals so it wouldn't be a great loss to the USA

Dale · 07-15-2004, 03:20 PM

It sure wouldn't surprise me that the 'powers to be' know exactly what is going on but they are just waiting for an incident to justify lowering the proverbial boom on someone or some country.

It's sad to admit that it dang near takes a national incident with great loss of life to convince the general populus we need to kick azz.

My thought is be pro-active and save some lives.

But, even to do that...to allow the armed forces and law enforcement agencies power to eliminate threats before they become THREATS causes even us conservatives to shudder.

"We" don't want Homeland Security to have powers that, according to many of us infringe on our liberties...so.............we just have to sit back and wait until a populated area becomes history.

Then we can kick azz.

Sadly, we live in a time where no one..........repeat, no one...... in our time will ever see true peace and I doubt if the world will ever see reasonable peace (there has never been total peace since the day Earth was inhabited).

It's just a matter of time before something ticks down and we, as a world and civilization, become history. Just as extinct as the dinosours.

The clock keeps ticking. :nod:

Despoiler · 07-16-2004, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun

I almost wouldn't mind if they hit Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago these areas are filled with liberals so it wouldn't be a great loss to the USA

Shaun, I hope you are kidding. Even liberals are Americans.

Shaun · 07-16-2004, 03:43 AM

Of course I am kidding -- even though I do wish for a 10 point quake to hit and make Nevada beach front property

07-15-2004, 01:02 AM	#1
Despoiler Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Occupied Territory of California Posts: 2,235	This is Scary! This is Scary! I wonder if this guy knows what he's talking about? Williams claims that al-Qaida has been planning a spectacular nuclear attack using six or seven suitcase nuclear bombs that would be detonated simulantaneously in U.S. cities. "They want the most bang for the buck, and that is nuclear," Williams told NewsMax. "I expect such an attack would come between now and the end of 2005," the author said. In addition to writing several books on terrorism, Williams, an investigative journalist, has worked as an FBI consultant. Williams' contention is not far from what U.S. intelligence believes, a source close to Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge has told NewsMax. The source said Ridge claimed that U.S. intelligence believes terrorists already have smuggled into the U.S. actual atomic devices, as opposed to so-called "dirty nukes" that simply are conventional bombs that help spread radiation. The Bush administration has warned for years that terrorists pose a nuclear threat to America. Williams' book presents a review of the increasing spread of nuclear weapons technology, which the author says can be traced to India's nuclear tests in the early 1970s. It accelerated when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. Shortly after the Indian nuclear tests, Pakistan made an all-out effort to join the nuclear club, the author says. Islamabad received help from sympathetic nations, namely China and North Korea. Williams traces the rampant spread of nuclear bomb development to a leading Pakistani scientist, Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan. Khan, described as an "Islamic extremist," also has been depicted by former CIA chief George Tenet as "the father of Pakistan's nuclear program." It is believed the Pakistani gained his expertise while working in the Netherlands, where he allegedly stole technology used in uranium reprocessing, a key procedure for building an atomic bomb. Pakistan successfully detonated two nuclear weapons inside a northern mountain range in the late 1990s. Khan, arrested by Pakistani police in February under White House pressure, admitted selling nuclear technology to numerous foreign countries, including North Korea and Libya. Williams reports that Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl was investigating Khan at the time he was kidnapped and later killed in 2003. Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, fearing a backlash from radical Muslims, granted Khan a pardon but restricted his travels. According to Williams, another beneficiary of Khan's "contacts" was al-Qaida. The author reports that the U.S. got its first "hard" evidence of a connection when it invaded the Afghan capital of Kabul in 2001. A former al-Qaida safe house was found to be loaded with documents detailing dealings with the Pakistani scientist. The finding was so serious, says Williams, that Tenet traveled to Afghanistan and Pakistan to follow up on the discovery. Tenet: 'They Are Coming' Perhaps it was such intelligence that led Tenet to say in October 2002: "The threat environment we face is as bad as it was before September 11. It is serious. They have reconstituted. They are coming after us." Almost from the moment 9/11 happened, the U.S. has been on a heightened state of alert and worry over the possible use of nuclear weapons. On the day of the attack, President Bush left Florida and began criss-crossing the country in Air Force One in maneuvers consistent with a president preparing for a nuclear attack. Shortly after Sept. 11, Taliban leader Mullah Omar claimed to the BBC that the main intent of al-Qaida was the "bigger cause," which he described as the "destruction of America." Asked pointedly if this meant the use of nuclear weapons againt the U.S., he responded: "This is not a matter of weapons. We are hopeful for God's help. The real matter is the extinction of America. And, God willing, it will fall to the ground." Omar cryptically suggested that a nuclear plan was already under way at the time of Sept. 11. He said: "The plan is going ahead and, God willing, it is being implemented. But it is a huge task, which is beyond the will and comprehension of human beings. If God's help is with us, this will happen within a short period of time; keep in mind this prediction." The Russian Connection The author points out that the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 made matters worse: "The Chechen Mafia reportedly sold twenty nuclear suitcases in Grozny to representatives of Osama bin Laden and the Mujahadeen [in 1996]. For their weapons, bin Laden paid $30 million in cash and two tons of heroin." Al-Qaida's leader, says Williams, is a major drug producer and runner in Afghanistan. "It is the drug money, not the bin Laden family fortune, that is the financial engine for al-Qaida," he points out. Today, Williams says, more than 40 Russian "nuclear suitcases" cannot be accounted for. The suitcases are miniaturized tactical nuclear bombs (in some cases weighing less than 40 pounds) that originally were planned by the Cold War-era Kremlin to be detonated inside the U.S. in the event of war. Most could cause damage equal to or greater than the crude device Washington dropped on Hiroshima during World War II. The author says some of these weapons still remain stateside in a "sleeper" status controlled by Russian military officials who believe a war with the U.S. "is still possible." Others, as many as 10, might be under al-Qaida's control, says Williams. What kind of damage could such a weapon do? The CIA estimates the Russian nuclear suitcases to have an explosive yield approaching 10 kilotons. Williams, referring to estimates by Theodore Taylor, a prominent American physicist who miniaturized the atomic bomb and visited the site of the World Trade Center in 1993, says a suitcase bomb could "emit intense thermal radiation, creating a fireball with a diameter that would expand to 460 feet. The core of the fireball would reach a maximum temperature of 10 million degrees Celsius ... ." The author says the heat that collapsed the Twin Towers never exceeded 5,000 degrees Celsius. Had such a bomb been used in 9/11, Williams claims, "The World Trade Center towers, all of Wall Street and the financial district, along with the lower tip of Manhattan up to Gramercy Park and much of midtown, including the theater district, would lie in ruins." Of those who might survive the blast, 50 percent of the survivors could expect to die at the rate of "250,000 people on any given day," Williams reports. And how could al-Qaida manage to transport such weapons into the U.S.? Williams points out that the borders with Mexico and Canada are still dangerously porous and not equipped to detect the smuggling of nuclear materials. U.S. seaports are even more vulnerable, he argues. Though New York City would seem to be the No. 1 target of another attack by al-Qaida, Williams points out other U.S. cities have been mentioned in intercepted intelligence chatter. Among those discussed: Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago, Dallas, Philadelphia, Miami, Washington and Rappahannock County, Va. Why a small rural county in Virginia? Williams says it houses the underground command center the White House would use in time of war. He hastens to add that time "may not be on our side." "It was eight years between the World Trade Center attacks. Islam preaches patience. They will attack when they want," Williams concluded. More chilling was the response from the International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog. One official, speaking on background, told NewsMax: "We have no comment. It is not within our responsibility to track atomic bombs." http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...3/171536.shtml

07-15-2004, 01:06 AM	#2
whirlwind Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: oklahoma Posts: 3,751 Images: 1	i dont doubt that nukes are planted in the states,but i do doubt they are controled by a terrorist organization. if they were i think they would have used them instead of planes on 9/11 __________________ De oppresso liber !

07-15-2004, 01:49 AM	#3
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 7,193	If,in fact,the ,gasp terrorists aren't in control,then who is? __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

07-15-2004, 01:58 AM	#4
whirlwind Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: oklahoma Posts: 3,751 Images: 1	now,i dont know.but they were placed during the cold war by the soviet union. i do sincerely hope that bin laden runs outa cash defending himself before he does find a rogue agent of the former soviet union and does purchase the access codes and locations of them. __________________ De oppresso liber !

07-15-2004, 09:33 AM	#6
colt45 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Occupied Territories of New York (Buffalo) Posts: 2,898	thats a good point, i think i'd rather take my chances with the nuke. __________________ "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" -Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanalysis "If guns cause crime, all of mine are defective." - Ted Nugent "Self-defense is Nature's eldest law." -John Dryden

07-15-2004, 07:17 AM	#5
Doglips Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cocoa Florida Posts: 9,088	never know.....but then again Kerry could win and ....which would be worse the nukes or the nutcase in charge?????? You can get an ulcer from worrieing about it.

07-15-2004, 10:00 AM	#7
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	I've heard rumors about the suitcase nukes. With all the money Saudi pays them terrorists, I've wondered how long it would take for them to be aquired. if they do use them on us, it is my hope that we destroy them all...good, the bad...the ugly. And finally, be done with them. __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

07-15-2004, 12:54 PM	#8
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,776 Images: 1	I almost wouldn't mind if they hit Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago these areas are filled with liberals so it wouldn't be a great loss to the USA __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

07-15-2004, 03:20 PM	#9
Dale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Too Dang Hot, Arizona Posts: 4,284	It sure wouldn't surprise me that the 'powers to be' know exactly what is going on but they are just waiting for an incident to justify lowering the proverbial boom on someone or some country. It's sad to admit that it dang near takes a national incident with great loss of life to convince the general populus we need to kick azz. My thought is be pro-active and save some lives. But, even to do that...to allow the armed forces and law enforcement agencies power to eliminate threats before they become THREATS causes even us conservatives to shudder. "We" don't want Homeland Security to have powers that, according to many of us infringe on our liberties...so.............we just have to sit back and wait until a populated area becomes history. Then we can kick azz. Sadly, we live in a time where no one..........repeat, no one...... in our time will ever see true peace and I doubt if the world will ever see reasonable peace (there has never been total peace since the day Earth was inhabited). It's just a matter of time before something ticks down and we, as a world and civilization, become history. Just as extinct as the dinosours. The clock keeps ticking. :nod: __________________ "It confuses me how some people can vigorously go against the 2nd. Amendment and still call themselves patriotic"-me

07-16-2004, 03:43 AM	#11
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,776 Images: 1	Of course I am kidding -- even though I do wish for a 10 point quake to hit and make Nevada beach front property __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/