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Originally Posted by spunkski

to me the nra pushes personal ownership for any type of firearm. they don't seem to care if the people are smart enough to handle them, I think the nra should of had a much bigger role in getting them away from people who arn't smart enough or care enough, not just flood the market, what i don't understand is, how many guns are enough ? I think there should be some kind of IQ or psych test for ownership somehow... too many children have guns and get killed by guns...period...the nra spends tons to try to let any kind of gun out there, I don't see or hear them offering many solutions to it. can you help explain it to be?? sorry for the sloppiness, gotta go to the store have a good one

Who's going to determine who's smart enough to own a gun? Diane Fienstien, Barbara Boxer, Mr. K? I don't remember that part being in the 2nd, as matter of fact the second gives everyone the right to own a gun, not just the smart people..... You are advocating gun control.

[7mmag6]

what i don't understand is, how many guns are enough ? ------

What I dont understand is why you are in a gun forum? what the hell did you expect? I dont give a crap about your political beliefs, did you come to lecture all of us ignorant gun owners on the merits of your personal qualms? and blast the nra? there is plenty of gun controll forums out there, why did you choose to lecture gun owners in a gun forum? does it make you feel important?

[Rufus Rhastus J]

I will never own enough guns. Further more, it's fair to say, even when they are illeagle, there will always be room in my life for another gun.

[Sniper[MI]]

Oh, spucksky.....now you done it! You went and criticized all of us and got an Salty, Retired Marine mad at ya...when you have our friend 7mm trained on you, you are toast.....

As to the IQ test for gun owners, would you pass? Who sets the limits? That sounds a little to much like the liberal mantra of Liberals are smarter than the "people" and the "people" are not smart enough to think for themselves so the Liberal Gubmint has to tell us stupid "little people" whats good for us.

Time to call you out.

What Pro Gun groups do you belong to?
How many guns do you own?
How many guns is acceptible to you for one person to own?
What types of guns are acceptible to own?
What is your stand on the Second Amendment? The Bill of rights?

That's enough for now. But I would like to see some answers to my legitimate questions posted here. You went down this road, and I think I might be smelling a Tofu eating, Birkenstock wearing type playing gun owner....

If I am wrong, your answers may clear things up...

I eagerly await your reply.

[JAMES]

Birkenstock...?? :insane:

Great post, Sniper! My compliments, Sir.
(What the heck is a Birkenstock? I'm gonna have to look that one up.)

I'm dumb as a stick, and I ain't giving up my guns! So, there you have it.

[colt45]

thast why the "smart ppl" would like to see us give them up james so they can do what they wnt with us like good lil subjects, we aren't smart enough to think for ourselves. just ask hillary she will tell you.

[Sniper[MI]]

Originally Posted by JAMES

Birkenstock...?? :insane:

Great post, Sniper! My compliments, Sir.
(What the heck is a Birkenstock? I'm gonna have to look that one up.)

I'm dumb as a stick, and I ain't giving up my guns! So, there you have it.

Thank you for the compliment...

A Birkenstock (I may have it spelled wrong) is a sandal that tree huggers/tofu munchers and Lesbi-mans wear.....

[spunkski]

hi all hope all is well.. boy go away for a few days... I'm gonna try to answer these in order..Except the ranting guy.... he's last.
Colt, I am glad the nra spends lots of money on teaching, they are a huge lobby. kudos of teaching a rifle class. as for only 3 kids killed, that seems very, very low. I have read of at least that many shot in my semi large city alone. my point is, using drive bys as an example, where do those guns come from? how do they (crimminals ) get them?? how do mac 10 's get in kids hands??
I agree with the parent IQ test lol sad but true..
shaun, excellent points as always. re-reading my post, maybe I wasn't clear on what I was trying to say..( I'm a lover, not a writer) lots of bad guys have guns..where did they get them? I could buy a gun today ...or 5 or 10. no licence, no reg. nothing.... how do we keep guns out of bad peoples hands ?
while I believe all in here are responsible owners there a LOTS of bad people out there. I believe the nra has a responsiblilty for that. and as for god given , that will have to go on another post. I await you, sir.
Allen T I don't know the answer.. I am looking. what I am advocating is getting guns out of children and crimminals hands. I am just a regular guy who wants to know why so many more people get killed in the usa with guns than in any other civilized country.
rufus, even when they are illegal? that sounds like a criminal talking....
Sniper, First, thank you for your sacrifice, and the rest of your generation. truely the greatest. I do not mean to criticise you all I am just asking honest ?'s, to me there are way to many criminals with guns, AND stupid people with access to them. dom. vilolence, drive bys, children playing with daddys guns, drug dealers. and plain old robberys. Where do these come from? The nra fights for the right of people to have any kind of gun, but what about the ones that end up killing innocent people? I believe all gun owners have a part in this. now, the call out:
I don't belong to any pro nor anti gun group.
I did own a 9mm ( bought off the street for 75 bucks)
acceptable? dunno, that is something I would let smarter people figure out The only usage I see is personal protection and skills shooting, maybe a couple other ones.
I see absolutley no reason for mac 10 s or ak's or anything of that ilk to be in the public domain. serve no use but to show off.
I believe the Bill of Rights was meant as a living, breathing document. It was written in a different time, in responce to a real creditable threat. in particular The 2nd amendment. You for one, are one of the reasons I CAN speak freely.
very good questions, and by the way, I am a steak and potatoes, payless shoe buying, enquiring minds want to know kinda guy. got ta go guys ....... oh wait, I forgot someone.........
7mmag6, thank you for that enormously intelectual, rational post. I have questions about guns so I came here. Kinda like if you want a drink of water, you go to the fountian, or if you have to go potty, you go to the bathroom.....maybe different in your house. lastly, I see your post was about 1 am....does your mmmy know you were playing on her 'puter???

[JAMES]

Quite a pleasure to have you back, spunky.
Just wanted to throw in here so you could take a shot in my direction as well (make it a good one; I don't miss).

You should probably know that 7mmag6 was across the globe fighting the VC for Corps and Country before you were hatched. Most tend to hold him in high regard and anyone with any sense would be a bit more cautious about awakening him from his blissful retirement. The fact itself that I am speaking on his behalf will likely make him growl; just the sort of man he is.

Kids and criminals certainly don't get their guns from the NRA. The hard work and stature of the NRA help protect the rights of folks like us to own, maintain, operate, and use (when necessary) lethal firearms. You see, many of us have devoted our lives to the service of this great country and we know what a daunting task that can be. Swearing an oath to "defend...against all enemies, both foreign and domestic" tends to press our duties home. Those duties are far and reaching, and are not left behind when we depart active duty. Innocent people get killed (in large quantities) when citizens are not prepared to defend themselves and each other with lethal force. Our 2nd Ammendment rights provide us with the authority to maintain that ability (and its inherent deterrent value) as well as the ability to prevent forceful takeover of our government by corrupt forces and agendas. I don't personally own any automatic rifles, but I am glad that many of my fellow citizens do. They help keep tyranny in check.

Today is no different than 31 July 1775 or any other particular time. Tyranny abounds in any clime or place (or time) when allowed to. We have the right (and obligation) to defend against tyranny. Unfortunately, force and the threat of force are necessary to that end.

School busses are intended for what purpose, spunky? Essentially to provide the safe and efficient transportation of our children to school and back....? Would you not agree? When I was 7 years old, a classmate of mine was run over and killed by the school bus; a terrible and tragic accident. Did we outlaw school buses...stop riding or trusting in them....? I continued to ride the bus during my remaining years in school and my sons have done so as well. Do guns kill children, spunky? Careful how you answer.

What happened to that 9mm that you had? Did some "stupid" guy take it away from ya?

Have a great day, enjoying my grand and free country.

[Sniper[MI]]

Hiya Spunkski!

Thank you for the answer. And you are right about the Constitution being written in a different time, but I tread very lightly on the living breathing aspect myself.

I feel the Constitution was indeed written with the ability to amend, ie, the Bill of Rights and so on.

However, my point still largely remains unchanged. Who is to decide who is smart enough to own a gun? Who is smart enough to decide what rights a person "qualifies" for?

Ya if we get a fair and honest man in office, or a fair and honest legislative branch etc we will be okay. But if Clinton, boxer schumer, feinstein and the like are to decide who should own a gun we are skee-rewed big time.

The Government was never, I believe, set up to be as intrusive in our lives as it is now. And as it is now is no where near where the liberals want to take it.

TO allow anyone tom decide what rights an American can have is not proper, it is not fair and it borders on dictatorship. A right cannot be given or taken away, a right is God given.

What you are aspousing is a law of the land, dictated by someone to another in total disrespect to the Constitution.

To amend to keep current with the times is possibly a good thing. To amend on a whim to decide who the 2nd Amendment protects, or any of the Bill of rights is bad ju ju.

We need laws and we need to take guns away from bad people, but until a person displays they are bad, or otherwise unfit to own a firearm, they do have the right to own same. Period.

Where the Constitution is concerned there is no gray area. It is or it isnt. To amend stupid things like abortion and a host of other junk laws and proposed idiocy is wrong.

The Govt has the responsibility to enforce the laws and rights as spelled out in the constitution, not mold it as their current whim sees fit.

If you start to pre legislate actions, we will be arresting people on suspition of the ability to committ a crime, and that is a we bit too Orwellian for me.

You stated, "lots of bad guys have guns..where did they get them? I could buy a gun today ...or 5 or 10. no licence, no reg. nothing.... how do we keep guns out of bad peoples hands ?"

The answer is, they are not buying them legally for one. Many are bought, as you stated, right off the street. Many are stolen.

The way to be sure no one ever hurts anyone ever again with a gun does not exist. You will never stop that. People were hurting people long before guns were invented.

There are better ways like not creating so many repeat offenders, but that is a whole other discussion.......

It all points back to the liberalization of the morals of a society. Once you blur the lines of right and wrong, we get the mess we have today.

BTW, to the more crimes than any other civilized nation, we have more firearms per capita, I think. But further, violent crimes in the US are down again for something like the 10th year straight. The problem is how the "experts" the news trots out figure the statistics and the way the media goes out of it's way to report any gun crime.

And for the record, more crimes are comitted with guns other than the evil assault rifles and the AK or mac 10 than you may want to believe. ANd I have seen cases where the experts have lumped Police shootings, ruled as justified or self defence by the courts, into their gun crimes and kids dying statistics.

And please do not take my word for it, go to the NRA or the GOA websites or a host of others and do some research for yourself. There are piles of information that continually and completely rebuts and destroys the arguments of the anti gun, or liberal biasedm reports that have been PROVEN to be nothing more than lies and Propoganda, the likes of the sewage that M Moore spews out.

Thank you once again form the reply, but for me outside of criminal history, mental disease and the host of checks and balances we have in place already, no one should be able to pre determine who should or should not be granted a Constitutional right like this.

The laws we have should be enforced strictly and with common sense...but then that is also a whole other debate.

Originally Posted by Sniper[MI]

Hiya Spunkski!

The Government was never, I believe, set up to be as intrusive in our lives as it is now. And as it is now is no where near where the liberals want to take it.

Bush has done nothing to shrink gov't. In fact, it has grown quite a bit since he's been in office. It is a myth that republicans shrink gov't. It is more bloated and out of proportion that ever before. Instead of fixing the departments that we have and making them more efficient, both dems and repubs just create another department to soak up the money and give their buddies more cushy jobs instead of making the ones that already have jobs actually do them.

[Rufus Rhastus J]

Well, I don't care how I sound....anyway, read clearly my post. You will discover I mearly said there will always be room in my life for more guns. I think we are in a very dangerous world today. Even more the reason to own guns of various usages. however, that being said, since we are all law respecting folks here....the 2nd reads :
"shall not be infringed..." I think that just about says it all. However, those, like yourself, who don't/can't/won't defend yourself, hopeing others and a call to 9-1-1 will, I suggest you will be disappointed. No matter how good your local police are, they just can't be everywhere all the time and, sometimes, even though they are in plain sight, that still is not enough to deture the ardent criminal. Duh, that's why we call them criminals!!!! You owe yourself [as I understand, the urge to survive is second only to the urge to reproduce] a chance to live. Your personal security is mostly your responsibility. You must protect yourself. If you choose to not exercise that response mechanisum, then fine. But, I would appreciate you allowing me to defend myself however I am able. Life sucks for the most part, granted...But, i still consider it better than the dirt nap. You want to be murdered by some slime ball, your choice. James put it in the best words of those who responded. Remember, this is America, land of the free. You don't like me being a gun owner, screw you, one day you may see how wrong you are. As for the evil guns, let me remind you again, when guns are finally outlawed, honest folks won't have them but, just like in many other countries who have tryed this scheme, the criminals still have the guns and the law abiding folks just become food. Crime rates rise and those gumints still won't admit they were wrong. What makes you think the situation will be any differant here than in England...or Austrailia? People are universally evil. With no punishment for thier actions, why deny one's self the pleasure of whatever? Think about it.