Moore Legal problems

dhermesc · 07-15-2004, 03:52 PM

The family of U.S. Air Force Maj. Gregory Stone was shocked to learn that video footage of the major's Arlington National Cemetery burial was included by Michael Moore in his movie "Fahrenheit 9/11."

Stone was killed in March 2003 by a grenade that officials said was thrown into his tent by Sgt. Hasan K. Akbar, who is on trial for murder.

It's been a big shock, and we are not very happy about it, to say the least," Kandi Gallagher, Stone's aunt and family spokeswoman, tells Washington Times reporter Audrey Hudson.

We are furious that Greg was in that casket and cannot defend himself, and my sister, Greg's mother, is just beside herself," Gallagher said. "She is furious. She called him a 'maggot that eats off the dead.'"

The movie, described by critics as political propaganda during an election year, shows video footage of the funeral and Stone's fiancee, Tammie Eslinger, kissing her hand and touching it to his coffin.

The family does not know how Moore obtained the video, and Gallagher said they did not give permission and are considering legal recourse.

She described her nephew as a "totally conservative Republican" and said he would have found the film to be "putrid."

"I'm sure he would have some choice words for Michael Moore," she said. "Michael Moore would have a hard time asking our family for a glass of water if he were thirsty."

I believe the last bit is code for "I wouldn't piss on him if he where on fire". Be really nice if Moore's profits where wiped out by a nice juicy lawsuit.

ScottD · 07-15-2004, 03:54 PM

Hit'em in the pocket book where it hurts. Sue him!

Oxford · 07-15-2004, 04:10 PM

It would seem that taking the funeral pictures, etc., with intent to profit from them...and the use of the film for profit without permission should be illegal...if it isn't already. I'd be talking to my attorney on this issue if it happened to me.

Shaun · 07-15-2004, 04:37 PM

sounds like a good lawsuit

Big Dog · 07-15-2004, 06:21 PM

"She called him a 'maggot that eats off the dead.' "

Yep, the bastage has no scruples whatsoever. I'd like to see a gag order placed on that piece of celluloid drivel he's hawking, in addition to the monetary penalty.
Maybe a restraining order keeping him from coming anywhere near a video camera and a movie production studio.
I guess that wouldn't fly - gotta respect his rights to free expression, eh?
So use the millions from the lawsuit to buy up all the copies of the trashfilm, and burn them at a public rally. If he protests, throw him on the fire - watch that fat sizzle.

SilverRun · 07-15-2004, 07:15 PM

This one time when a lawsuit or multiple lawsuits are in order. I haven’t seen his collection of lies he bundled into a "documentary" (don't plan too - not healthy), but I suspect that several people including Prez. Bush would have recourse against him.

07-15-2004, 08:35 PM

What's this?! Support for lawyers?!

You guys can bet I'm gonna save this page and refer to it in the future as you bash "evil" lawyers.

When will you people learn...Lawyers don't sue people; people sue people...

Oxford · 07-15-2004, 09:17 PM

I'm sure you will do that Lenny II.

BTW, what's the status of your application to get into law enforcement which you wrote about a few months ago?

toolman · 07-15-2004, 10:28 PM

Unfortunately liars, err.. lawyers, are a necessary evil in todays society. Personally, if one were to bankrupt this piece of shizzit, I'd nominate them for sainthood! Twenty yrs ago he would've been under investigation for suspicion of communism. I'm all for free speech, but the 1st ammendment doesn't say anything about lying to spread dissent. I feel that what He is doing borders on treason!

07-16-2004, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Oxford

I'm sure you will do that Lenny II.

BTW, what's the status of your application to get into law enforcement which you wrote about a few months ago?

I have been given a conditional offer of employment by one department. Just waiting for the phone call to come in and finish up with the Physical & Psych tests.

Despoiler · 07-16-2004, 02:48 AM

I don't think there are any grounds for a lawsuit. Who is going to sue Moore? The only one whom might have some recourse is Maj. Gregory Stone and he is dead. Besides they filmed his casket, not his likeness.
In my opinion, Moore was wrong to use Maj. Gregory Stone's funeral in his film, and while his family is upset about it, I just don't think there is anything they could do about it, legally that is.....

dhermesc · 07-16-2004, 08:48 AM

Actually the family could sue - they are not paid actors, they signed no releases for their images or their story. A person has a reasonable expectation of privacy at a private funeral (the color guard isn't just for show).

Ever see the denial at the beginning or ending of any film that states "These charactors are fictional, any resembalance to any person living or dead is purely coincidental"? That is to cover the film makers @$$ for stealing somebody's private image or story, although that easily could have been applied to Moore's "documentary".

Rufus Rhastus J · 07-16-2004, 11:10 AM

I hope they do him like the doggie!

spunkski · 07-16-2004, 03:29 PM

While I feel for the family I seriously doubt that Moore used theirs on purpose, He could of had his choice of coffins... after all, there are HUNDREDS of them coming out of Iraq. maybe it was a mistake. the movie IS eye opening, to say the least.
If you have'nt seen the movie I don't think you can comment on it. it would be kinda ignorant wouldn't it? See the movie then comment, at least it would show that you can see both sides of an issue, know thy enemy and all that

Shaun · 07-16-2004, 03:34 PM

We already know the enemy -- Moore is a true Anti - American - That's all I need to know - my money would never go to supporting this guys wallet

dhermesc · 07-16-2004, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by spunkski

If you have'nt seen the movie I don't think you can comment on it. it would be kinda ignorant wouldn't it? See the movie then comment, at least it would show that you can see both sides of an issue, know thy enemy and all that

Moore has offered $10,000 dollars for anyone that could find inaccuracies in F-11. I have yet to get a responce to the email I sent pointing out that his claim that Fox was first to claim Bush won Florida was wrong, it was CBS (true - not making this up). Wonder when the fat flesh eating maggot will send my my money? Funny how he never even made it out of the first ten minutes of film without screwing it up.

dhermesc · 07-16-2004, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spunkski

While I feel for the family I seriously doubt that Moore used theirs on purpose, He could of had his choice of coffins... after all, there are HUNDREDS of them coming out of Iraq. maybe it was a mistake. the movie IS eye opening, to say the least.

If the fat flesh eating maggot wants to film funerals maybe he could make a contribution in the family's name or PAY the dead serviceman's family for the images. You know, like a professional film company. But then Moore has a long history of shorting his staff on actors on pay.

spunkski · 07-16-2004, 04:07 PM

respectfully, you don't know the enemy. Bush is getting our kids killed. for personal reasons. last I heard, the piece of...stuff Bin Laden is alive and well in Afganistan why don't we have 100,000 men over there hunting him??? I think he was the one who planned the killing 2500 americans wasn't it? If you havn"t seen the movie you cannot form your own opinion, you are parroting someone else's. do you not trust your own mind?

Shaun · 07-16-2004, 04:14 PM

Guys I think I smell a troll

Spunski -- I have friends over there and they are saying they are happy to be their putting thier lives on the line to save these people. The 1000 men we have lost so far have honorably given their lives to fight for these peoples freedom -- remember without them you would not be here. If anyone is at Fault it was Osama and Saddam

dhermesc · 07-16-2004, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spunkski

respectfully, you don't know the enemy. Bush is getting our kids killed. for personal reasons. last I heard, the piece of...stuff Bin Laden is alive and well in Afganistan why don't we have 100,000 men over there hunting him??? I think he was the one who planned the killing 2500 americans wasn't it? If you havn"t seen the movie you cannot form your own opinion, you are parroting someone else's. do you not trust your own mind?

Are you part of the psychic network? How do you know what movies I have seen and not seen? Little troll B@$tard tries to pick a fight with his second post.

The reason we don't have 100,000 men in Afghanistan is THERE ARE NOT 100,000 men to send (thank Herr Klinton for that one). I trust my mind perfectly, I don't trust the flesh eating maggot who has been proven to be a liar in the past.

07-15-2004, 03:52 PM	#1
dhermesc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: East Central Kansas Posts: 1,772	Moore Legal problems The family of U.S. Air Force Maj. Gregory Stone was shocked to learn that video footage of the major's Arlington National Cemetery burial was included by Michael Moore in his movie "Fahrenheit 9/11." Stone was killed in March 2003 by a grenade that officials said was thrown into his tent by Sgt. Hasan K. Akbar, who is on trial for murder. It's been a big shock, and we are not very happy about it, to say the least," Kandi Gallagher, Stone's aunt and family spokeswoman, tells Washington Times reporter Audrey Hudson. We are furious that Greg was in that casket and cannot defend himself, and my sister, Greg's mother, is just beside herself," Gallagher said. "She is furious. She called him a 'maggot that eats off the dead.'" The movie, described by critics as political propaganda during an election year, shows video footage of the funeral and Stone's fiancee, Tammie Eslinger, kissing her hand and touching it to his coffin. The family does not know how Moore obtained the video, and Gallagher said they did not give permission and are considering legal recourse. She described her nephew as a "totally conservative Republican" and said he would have found the film to be "putrid." "I'm sure he would have some choice words for Michael Moore," she said. "Michael Moore would have a hard time asking our family for a glass of water if he were thirsty." I believe the last bit is code for "I wouldn't piss on him if he where on fire". Be really nice if Moore's profits where wiped out by a nice juicy lawsuit. __________________ Liberty is for those that claim it. Last edited by dhermesc; 07-15-2004 at 03:55 PM.

07-15-2004, 03:54 PM	#2
ScottD Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Evanston, IL Posts: 1,020	Hit'em in the pocket book where it hurts. Sue him! __________________ "Some people can not live without wilderness"-Aldo Leopold

07-15-2004, 04:10 PM	#3
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,219 Blog Entries: 4	It would seem that taking the funeral pictures, etc., with intent to profit from them...and the use of the film for profit without permission should be illegal...if it isn't already. I'd be talking to my attorney on this issue if it happened to me. __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

07-15-2004, 04:37 PM	#4
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,776 Images: 1	sounds like a good lawsuit __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

07-15-2004, 06:21 PM	#5
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,658	"She called him a 'maggot that eats off the dead.' " Yep, the bastage has no scruples whatsoever. I'd like to see a gag order placed on that piece of celluloid drivel he's hawking, in addition to the monetary penalty. Maybe a restraining order keeping him from coming anywhere near a video camera and a movie production studio. I guess that wouldn't fly - gotta respect his rights to free expression, eh? So use the millions from the lawsuit to buy up all the copies of the trashfilm, and burn them at a public rally. If he protests, throw him on the fire - watch that fat sizzle. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

07-15-2004, 07:15 PM	#6
SilverRun Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AL Posts: 1,666	This one time when a lawsuit or multiple lawsuits are in order. I haven’t seen his collection of lies he bundled into a "documentary" (don't plan too - not healthy), but I suspect that several people including Prez. Bush would have recourse against him.

07-15-2004, 08:35 PM	#7
Lenny2 Guest Posts: n/a	What's this?! Support for lawyers?! You guys can bet I'm gonna save this page and refer to it in the future as you bash "evil" lawyers. When will you people learn...Lawyers don't sue people; people sue people...

07-15-2004, 09:17 PM	#8
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,219 Blog Entries: 4	I'm sure you will do that Lenny II. BTW, what's the status of your application to get into law enforcement which you wrote about a few months ago? __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

07-15-2004, 10:28 PM	#9
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 6,040 Blog Entries: 24	Unfortunately liars, err.. lawyers, are a necessary evil in todays society. Personally, if one were to bankrupt this piece of shizzit, I'd nominate them for sainthood! Twenty yrs ago he would've been under investigation for suspicion of communism. I'm all for free speech, but the 1st ammendment doesn't say anything about lying to spread dissent. I feel that what He is doing borders on treason! __________________ cosmoline is an aphrodisiac! Last edited by toolman; 07-15-2004 at 10:31 PM.

07-16-2004, 02:48 AM	#11
Despoiler Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Occupied Territory of California Posts: 2,235	I don't think there are any grounds for a lawsuit. Who is going to sue Moore? The only one whom might have some recourse is Maj. Gregory Stone and he is dead. Besides they filmed his casket, not his likeness. In my opinion, Moore was wrong to use Maj. Gregory Stone's funeral in his film, and while his family is upset about it, I just don't think there is anything they could do about it, legally that is.....

07-16-2004, 08:48 AM	#12
dhermesc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: East Central Kansas Posts: 1,772	Actually the family could sue - they are not paid actors, they signed no releases for their images or their story. A person has a reasonable expectation of privacy at a private funeral (the color guard isn't just for show). Ever see the denial at the beginning or ending of any film that states "These charactors are fictional, any resembalance to any person living or dead is purely coincidental"? That is to cover the film makers @$$ for stealing somebody's private image or story, although that easily could have been applied to Moore's "documentary". __________________ Liberty is for those that claim it.

07-16-2004, 11:10 AM	#13
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	I hope they do him like the doggie! __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

07-16-2004, 03:29 PM	#14
spunkski Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: I am a Tampon....er ..Tampan? Posts: 31	While I feel for the family I seriously doubt that Moore used theirs on purpose, He could of had his choice of coffins... after all, there are HUNDREDS of them coming out of Iraq. maybe it was a mistake. the movie IS eye opening, to say the least. If you have'nt seen the movie I don't think you can comment on it. it would be kinda ignorant wouldn't it? See the movie then comment, at least it would show that you can see both sides of an issue, know thy enemy and all that __________________ I've already won the lotto..I was born an American. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Organized religion is a crutch for the weak minded.

07-16-2004, 03:34 PM	#15
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,776 Images: 1	We already know the enemy -- Moore is a true Anti - American - That's all I need to know - my money would never go to supporting this guys wallet __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

07-16-2004, 04:07 PM	#18
spunkski Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: I am a Tampon....er ..Tampan? Posts: 31	respectfully, you don't know the enemy. Bush is getting our kids killed. for personal reasons. last I heard, the piece of...stuff Bin Laden is alive and well in Afganistan why don't we have 100,000 men over there hunting him??? I think he was the one who planned the killing 2500 americans wasn't it? If you havn"t seen the movie you cannot form your own opinion, you are parroting someone else's. do you not trust your own mind? __________________ I've already won the lotto..I was born an American. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Organized religion is a crutch for the weak minded.

07-16-2004, 04:14 PM	#19
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,776 Images: 1	Guys I think I smell a troll Spunski -- I have friends over there and they are saying they are happy to be their putting thier lives on the line to save these people. The 1000 men we have lost so far have honorably given their lives to fight for these peoples freedom -- remember without them you would not be here. If anyone is at Fault it was Osama and Saddam __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/ Last edited by Shaun; 07-16-2004 at 04:17 PM.