Recent BATF law change?????

[Dale]

While running around Phoenix today I decided to stop by Big 5 at the corner of 19th Avenue and Bell Road.

They had a nice Yugo VZ24 and I decided to buy it.

After filling out the "lil yellow form" the sales person said there has been a new BATF law change and I now had to produce some state or federally issued document showing my physical address.

Hmmmmmm. I don't have any such document.

My drivers license has an old, old address and the state has no obligation to, nor will they, issue a new dirvers license even though, by law, you have to report an address change to the DMV.

Now I'm stumped.


I live in the boonies where the good ol' USPS does not deliver mail and I have only a post office box as an address on everything.

My vehicle registration has my PO box since that's where they send my yearly renewals....as with everything else.

I vertually have nothing I can produce that has a physical address the BATF will accept.

Nor does anyone within shouting distance of where I live.

So...........if you are one of the people who live out in the middle of Nowhere, USA and has a state law like Arizona concerning licenses and the addresses on them you're now screwed.

I have an out......I now will carry with me a copy of my C&R FFL but has anyone else ran into any problems with the recent flawed BATF law?

[Shaun]

Nope haven't had any problems but our instant check system here requires or DL to show proof of residence in the state(Been that way for 8 years now).

[Shamus]

Go spend the $5 and have your license updated.

[dhermesc]

That one has been around for a while - generally screws up people with rural address - no house number or specific street number. I grew up on RR 3, Goff Kansas -but that is not a legal address to buy a firearm anymore. Isn't so much a new rule as a new interpretation - kind of like spelling YES instead of using "Y" to answer questions on the yellow sheet.

[Dale]

I'm like a lot of people in Arizona who can't see standing in a line for over two hours, spending $25, having to retake the drivers test (a test is necessairly required but if you want the ten year license again then you'd have to), etc. just to get a replacement drivers license.

If the state wants a law requiring you notify them of an address change the least they could do is issue a letter of acknowledgement.

Like I said I'll simply use a copy of my FFL as proof.

I was just wondering how the ordinary 'Joe' deals with it.

After I posted the original message I called around to a variety of gun shops and got the affirmative on the law.

Each shop had their own way of getting around it.

One shop said that most shops will take a fishing or hunting license with the physical address as proof. OK....that address on the hunting or fishing license is only one you give them and it's not verified. ????????????...makes absolutely no sense.

Another shop suggested, as they do with other buyers, to go to DMV and get a print out of your driver's history. Again, the address on that form will only be one the person at DMV asks you to tell her.....again not verified. I know. Not long ago I got one (never made copies though...never knew I'd need more copies) because I was thinking of taking on a job at Lake Pleasant at the marina boat service.

Another said they will take a copy of homeowner's title or mortgage paperwork. Huh? Neither of those comes from a state or federal identity.

So, it makes no sense to have a law, or a requirement, that accomplishes nothing or has that many loopholes in it.

If it's a law, to show verification of your physical address, that has been in pocket for sometime I know a number of shops that have never enforced it.

Oh, well.

It's a federal law and probably even lawyers would argue over the wording of it and the intent.

[Rave]

How about ordering a brochure from the state and having it sent to your addressp/o box/physical address?

[Dale]

Rave, I can have anything sent to my PO box but that is not proof of my physical address....only proof that mail is delivered to a 12" X 12" box, lol.

That's the problem.

I guess, in the BATF mind-set any bad guy or terrorist could get a firearm if they don't use a physical address??????

I sent my Federal Firearm License to a host of companies and only one wanted proof I was who I said I was and that proof was in the form of a letter saying I was/am who I am.

So, anyone, as far as I am concerned, can steal my FFL and forge my signature because I've never been asked to produce a comparison signature.

And, to dispute the BATF mind-set ANYONE can get any gun they want......they're called criminals and don't play by the rules!!!!!!!!!!

But, law abiding citizens have to jump through hoops and still get questioned....grrrrrrrrr!

[Rave]

:insane:
BATF,IRS,BASTIDS!,ALL BASTIDS! :nod:

[sniper762]

hey Dale, You know it would not matter if you passed out 100 copies of your FFL's all with original signatures. Any gun, purchased with that FFL would have to be shipped to the address on the FFL only. That is your address isn't it? Your name is on it too, so if it was used in person, the user would have to produce a picture ID with that same name.?????????????????

[Dale]

You have a point, Sniper.

I was thinking in terms of a form of ID theft.

I've never had to produce a photo ID when the UPS guy or gal delivered the four guns that have been delivered here, though.

I dunno, like I said the FFL will suffice for buying guns locally since the FFL has my physical address on it.

My main thought, though, like I said...is when people nationwide live in areas that have PO boxes only or live in rural route address.

What do they do for proof of a physical address? I dunno.

[Rufus Rhastus J]

It ain't getting any easier, is it?