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Sniper[MI] · 07-23-2004, 11:46 PM

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Psychiatrists and the drug companies they pimp for claim that mental illness has reached epidemic proportions in the United States, with one in five Americans afflicted. If all these people are eventually "treated" and the only approved treatment is drugs, we'll all welcome stronger gun control measures. Every U.S. school and workplace shooter and political assasin back to John Hincley has been on psychiatric drugs.

WHO DO YOU WANT DECIDING IF YOU'RE CRAZY ?
"New Freedom" Initiative targets YOU as potentially in need of "mental health" treatment.

The House Appropriations Committee has approved $20 million to begin implementing the plans to get every American screened as to his/her mental health AND "treated" for same. This is blatantly a ploy of the drug companies and the psychiatrists, who can then enjoy prescription profits to the max.
OPPOSE THE "NEW FREEDOMSINITIATIVE" AND/OR ANY OTHER FORM OF UNIVERSAL PSYCH SCREENING.

Whom do you trust to tell you if you are mentally stable? Check it out: the psychiatrists of America have the highest suicide rate of any profession, the highest fraudulent claims rate of any medical profession, and the highest incidence of being mentally ill, themselves, of any profession. SAY "NO" to this scam, now!
Don't take my word for it. Try reading authors like Bruce Wiseman, and Robert Whitaker (MAD IN AMERICA). Get smart and save yourself and your family from being enslaved in a very, very bad psych game.
PLEASE ACT NOW--
Call or write House Speaker Hastert (202 225-2976) and Senate Ldr Frist (202) 224-3344.

Shaun · 07-24-2004, 02:02 AM

Pardon me SRX -- But the head doctors these days are just drug dispensers that all -- they get kick backs for selling the drugs --

Doglips · 07-24-2004, 06:55 AM

Hummm....Social Worker/counselor Soap Box Please

In the days of old....if you had a problem you would spend years talking to a head srinker, about your childhood, stuff like that. Along came things like NLP and other Cognitive theories (you chose to do X behavior) so less time talkign about your childhood and more about acknodlegeing that you can change.....then the big boom in social work....the 21 day treatment progrgam....made populer by movies such as clean and sober. You checked into a treatment program ...insurance paid for 21 days hospatilzation ...big $$ ...had lots of group counseling....lots of programs hired people with a lot of time in AA/NA programs as counselors/asst. counselors. ..at the end of 21 days they smacked you with a magic wand and you were cured (prognoses was called "guarded" incase you went back to drinking/drugs...not their fault).

NOW insrance companies and companies who could nto fire drugie employees who checked in to these programs....said wait a min....why not have these people go home/work and do the group, indivual counseling sessions and go to AA meetings after work...lot cheaper than the cost of a resadintial program..ie hospital bed...for 21 days...so they quit paying for 21 day programs and you cant find one now days.

Insurance companies...citeing the improvement in psycological medacation.....said why pay $75 an hour for you to talk to srink about your potty training for 11 or 2 hours a week for several years when popping a anti-depresent improves your mood a lot faster (inproveing your quality of life) and is a lot cheeper...regular Doctor can give you przac along with a regualr visit.....At the same time Malpractice insurance for Counselors/psyciatrist went through the roof so they wanted more $$ and insurance companies said NO. .....

SO now days unless your rich movie star type...not many treatment programs HMO's will pay for.....most or out patint........so you go to your doctor about a hurt knee...say your feeling down....oe depressed.....DR gets kick backs from drug compnaies....so POOF YUOR DEPRESSED...have some prozac or other such drug.....anti-depresents take the edge off so people feel better...pluss Doctor gave them the medacation so like most other medacation (hart pills what ever)....people sheepishly just refill the perscription and take their pills because a doctor said they were should take this pill.

BattleRifleG3 · 07-24-2004, 03:04 PM

When I was young I had my share of difficulties, particularly ADD. Also have from a broken family, so that had its share of baggage. While people I knew were going on anti-depresants for depression and rinallin for ADD, I refused to take any mind medication. This was as young as 8 that I was aware of this and took my stand. So I learned how to deal with my ADD by double checking, making the most of studies, and not being afraid to ask stupid questions to make sure that I understood something correctly. Emotional stuff was more of a not-too-atypical growing experience which I was helped the most with by the church.

As a result, my mind is clear and is my own, and I have not developed any chemical dependence nor been disqualified from things that such medication may do so.

Point being that there are some times when drugs do help, and some times where they are needed, but just like Doglips said, it can be so easy to buy into them as an easy way out. Thanks, but I'll keep my mind. And there's no substitute for determination. I saw a video way back on ADD and dealing with it, and they discussed drugs. On each point they said "Drugs can't do _______. Drugs can help you do _______, if you want to." With or without drugs, you have to deal with your problems.

On another note, since kids with ADD tend to be particularly gifted in some areas, I tend to think it's more of a different set of strengths and weaknesses. Not even a particular condition, but just a scale that people end up at different points on. I think everyone has a little ADD, particularly when they're bored.

I think psychology is one of those areas that people in the future will look back upon thinking "Boy, what they thought they knew." Like the four humors in medicine, I think this is one area where science will someday say "Oops!"

Mandy · 07-24-2004, 04:48 PM

:assult: :assult: :assult: :assult: :assult:

I'm crazy about guns !!!!!!

Maybe Joe can counsel me on my addiction !!

My prescripted drug should be some 2 boxes of .223 daily and 1 box 7.62x39 weekly!!!

:uzi: :uzi: :uzi: :uzi: :uzi:

07-23-2004, 11:46 PM	#1
Sniper[MI] Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Future 51st state, "New Hope" Posts: 3,796	You opinion needed From another site, what do you think? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Psychiatrists and the drug companies they pimp for claim that mental illness has reached epidemic proportions in the United States, with one in five Americans afflicted. If all these people are eventually "treated" and the only approved treatment is drugs, we'll all welcome stronger gun control measures. Every U.S. school and workplace shooter and political assasin back to John Hincley has been on psychiatric drugs. WHO DO YOU WANT DECIDING IF YOU'RE CRAZY ? "New Freedom" Initiative targets YOU as potentially in need of "mental health" treatment. The House Appropriations Committee has approved $20 million to begin implementing the plans to get every American screened as to his/her mental health AND "treated" for same. This is blatantly a ploy of the drug companies and the psychiatrists, who can then enjoy prescription profits to the max. OPPOSE THE "NEW FREEDOMSINITIATIVE" AND/OR ANY OTHER FORM OF UNIVERSAL PSYCH SCREENING. Whom do you trust to tell you if you are mentally stable? Check it out: the psychiatrists of America have the highest suicide rate of any profession, the highest fraudulent claims rate of any medical profession, and the highest incidence of being mentally ill, themselves, of any profession. SAY "NO" to this scam, now! Don't take my word for it. Try reading authors like Bruce Wiseman, and Robert Whitaker (MAD IN AMERICA). Get smart and save yourself and your family from being enslaved in a very, very bad psych game. PLEASE ACT NOW-- Call or write House Speaker Hastert (202 225-2976) and Senate Ldr Frist (202) 224-3344. __________________ FNUH!

07-24-2004, 02:02 AM	#2
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,623 Images: 1	Pardon me SRX -- But the head doctors these days are just drug dispensers that all -- they get kick backs for selling the drugs -- __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

07-24-2004, 03:04 PM	#4
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,475 Images: 13	When I was young I had my share of difficulties, particularly ADD. Also have from a broken family, so that had its share of baggage. While people I knew were going on anti-depresants for depression and rinallin for ADD, I refused to take any mind medication. This was as young as 8 that I was aware of this and took my stand. So I learned how to deal with my ADD by double checking, making the most of studies, and not being afraid to ask stupid questions to make sure that I understood something correctly. Emotional stuff was more of a not-too-atypical growing experience which I was helped the most with by the church. As a result, my mind is clear and is my own, and I have not developed any chemical dependence nor been disqualified from things that such medication may do so. Point being that there are some times when drugs do help, and some times where they are needed, but just like Doglips said, it can be so easy to buy into them as an easy way out. Thanks, but I'll keep my mind. And there's no substitute for determination. I saw a video way back on ADD and dealing with it, and they discussed drugs. On each point they said "Drugs can't do _______. Drugs can help you do _______, if you want to." With or without drugs, you have to deal with your problems. On another note, since kids with ADD tend to be particularly gifted in some areas, I tend to think it's more of a different set of strengths and weaknesses. Not even a particular condition, but just a scale that people end up at different points on. I think everyone has a little ADD, particularly when they're bored. I think psychology is one of those areas that people in the future will look back upon thinking "Boy, what they thought they knew." Like the four humors in medicine, I think this is one area where science will someday say "Oops!" __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

07-24-2004, 04:48 PM	#5
Mandy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico Posts: 1,641	:assult: :assult: :assult: :assult: :assult: I'm crazy about guns !!!!!! Maybe Joe can counsel me on my addiction !! My prescripted drug should be some 2 boxes of .223 daily and 1 box 7.62x39 weekly!!! :uzi: :uzi: :uzi: :uzi: :uzi: __________________ :assult: :assult: :assult: :assult: :assult: Better be judged by 12 than carried by 6. _________________________________ If you gonna die, die with your boots on ! Iron Maiden _________________________________ The deeper you go, the better it feels ! Divers Motto :uzi: :uzi: :uzi: :uzi: :uzi:

07-24-2004, 06:55 AM	#3
Doglips Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cocoa Florida Posts: 9,088	Hummm....Social Worker/counselor Soap Box Please In the days of old....if you had a problem you would spend years talking to a head srinker, about your childhood, stuff like that. Along came things like NLP and other Cognitive theories (you chose to do X behavior) so less time talkign about your childhood and more about acknodlegeing that you can change.....then the big boom in social work....the 21 day treatment progrgam....made populer by movies such as clean and sober. You checked into a treatment program ...insurance paid for 21 days hospatilzation ...big $$ ...had lots of group counseling....lots of programs hired people with a lot of time in AA/NA programs as counselors/asst. counselors. ..at the end of 21 days they smacked you with a magic wand and you were cured (prognoses was called "guarded" incase you went back to drinking/drugs...not their fault). NOW insrance companies and companies who could nto fire drugie employees who checked in to these programs....said wait a min....why not have these people go home/work and do the group, indivual counseling sessions and go to AA meetings after work...lot cheaper than the cost of a resadintial program..ie hospital bed...for 21 days...so they quit paying for 21 day programs and you cant find one now days. Insurance companies...citeing the improvement in psycological medacation.....said why pay $75 an hour for you to talk to srink about your potty training for 11 or 2 hours a week for several years when popping a anti-depresent improves your mood a lot faster (inproveing your quality of life) and is a lot cheeper...regular Doctor can give you przac along with a regualr visit.....At the same time Malpractice insurance for Counselors/psyciatrist went through the roof so they wanted more $$ and insurance companies said NO. ..... SO now days unless your rich movie star type...not many treatment programs HMO's will pay for.....most or out patint........so you go to your doctor about a hurt knee...say your feeling down....oe depressed.....DR gets kick backs from drug compnaies....so POOF YUOR DEPRESSED...have some prozac or other such drug.....anti-depresents take the edge off so people feel better...pluss Doctor gave them the medacation so like most other medacation (hart pills what ever)....people sheepishly just refill the perscription and take their pills because a doctor said they were should take this pill.