You'll change your mind about Ketchup boy after reading this!

[Rufus Rhastus J]

If you were planning to vote for ketchup boy, consider the words of his brothers in arms. I dare say he has made one heck of an impression on them. In my opinion, they all sound like real patriots and are concerned for America. Thier words deserve our attention.

"We resent very deeply the false war crimes charges he made coming back from Vietnam in 1971 and repeated in the book "Tour of Duty." We think those cast an aspersion on all those living and dead, from our unit and other units in Vietnam. We think that he knew he was lying when he made the charges, and we think that they're unsupportable. We intend to bring the truth about that to the American people.

We believe, based on our experience with him, that he is totally unfit to be the Commander-in-Chief."

-- John O'Neill, spokesman, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth

"I do not believe John Kerry is fit to be Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of the United States. This is not a political issue. It is a matter of his judgment, truthfulness, reliability, loyalty and trust -- all absolute tenets of command. His biography, 'Tour of Duty,' by Douglas Brinkley, is replete with gross exaggerations, distortions of fact, contradictions and slanderous lies. His contempt for the military and authority is evident by even a most casual review of this biography. He arrived in-country with a strong anti-Vietnam War bias and a self-serving determination to build a foundation for his political future. He was aggressive, but vain and prone to impulsive judgment, often with disregard for specific tactical assignments. He was a 'loose cannon.' In an abbreviated tour of four months and 12 days, and with his specious medals secure, Lt.(jg) Kerry bugged out and began his infamous betrayal of all United States forces in the Vietnam War. That included our soldiers, our marines, our sailors, our coast guardsmen, our airmen, and our POWs. His leadership within the so-called Vietnam Veterans Against the War and testimony before Congress in 1971 charging us with unspeakable atrocities remain an undocumented but nevertheless meticulous stain on the men and women who honorably stayed the course. Senator Kerry is not fit for command."

-- Rear Admiral Roy Hoffman, USN (retired), chairman, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth

"During Lt.(jg) Kerry's tour, he was under my command for two or three specific operations, before his rapid exit. Trust, loyalty and judgment are the key, operative words. His turncoat performance in 1971 in his grubby shirt and his medal-tossing escapade, coupled with his slanderous lines in the recent book portraying us that served, including all POWs and MIAs, as murderous war criminals, I believe, will have a lasting effect on all military veterans and their families.

"In my specific, personal experience in both coastal and river patrols over a 12-month period, I never once saw or heard anything remotely resembling the atrocities described by Senator Kerry. If I had, it would have been my obligation to report them in writing to a higher authority, and I would certainly have done that. If Senator Kerry actually witnessed or participated in these atrocities or, as he described them, 'war crimes,' he was obligated to report them. That he did not until later when it suited his political purposes strikes me as opportunism of the worst kind. That he would malign my service and that of his fellow sailors with no regard for the truth makes him totally unqualified to serve as Commander-in-Chief."

-- Jeffrey Wainscott

"I signed that letter because I, too felt a deep sense of betrayal that someone who took the same oath of loyalty as I did as an officer in the United States Navy would abandon his group here (points to group photo) to join this group here (points to VVAW protest photo), and come home and attempt to rally the American public against the effort that this group was so valiantly pursuing.

It is a fact that in the entire Vietnam War we did not lose one major battle. We lost the war at home ... and at home, John Kerry was the Field General."

-- Robert Elder

"While in Cam Rahn Bay , he trained on several 24-hour indoctrination missions, and one special skimmer operation with my most senior and trusted Lieutenant. The briefing from some members of that crew the morning after revealed that they had not received any enemy fire, and yet Lt.(jg) Kerry informed me of a wound -- he showed me a scratch on his arm and a piece of shrapnel in his hand that appeared to be from one of our own M-79s. It was later reported to me that Lt.(jg) Kerry had fired an M-79, and it had exploded off the adjacent shoreline. I do not recall being advised of any medical treatment, and probably said something like 'Forget it.' He later received a Purple Heart for that scratch, and I have no information as to how or whom.

"Lt. Kerry returned home from the war to make some outrageous statements and allegations... of numerous criminal acts in violation of the law of war were cited by Kerry, disparaging those who had fought with honor in that conflict. Had war crimes been committed by US forces in Vietnam? Yes, but such acts were few and far between. Yet Lt. Kerry have numerous speeches and testimony before Congress inappropriately leading his audiences to believe that what was only an anomaly in the conduct of America's fighting men was an epidemic. Furthermore, he suggested that they were being encouraged to violated the law of war by those within the chain of command.

Very specific orders, on file at the Vietnam archives at Texas Tech University, were issued by my father [Admiral Elmo Zumwalt] and others in his chain of command instructing subordinates to act responsibly in preserving the life and property of Vietnamese civilians."

-- Lt. Col. James Zumwalt, USMC (retired)

"In a whole year that I spent patrolling, I didn't see anything like a war crime, an atrocity, anything like that. Time and again I saw American fighting men put themselves in graver danger trying to avoid... collateral damage.

When John Kerry returned to the country, he was sworn in front of Congress. And then he told my family -- my parents, my sister, my brother, my neighbors -- he told everyone I knew and everyone I'd ever know that I and my comrades had committed unspeakable atrocities."

-- David Wallace

"I was in An Thoi from June of '68 to June of '69, covering the whole period that John Kerry was there. I operated in every river, in every canal, and every off-shore patrol area in the 4th Corps area, from Cambodia all the way around to the Bo De River. I never saw, even heard of all of these so-called atrocities and things that we were supposed to have done.

This is not true. We're not standing for it. We want to set the record straight."

-- William Shumadine

"In 1971, when John Kerry spoke out to America, labeling all Vietnam veterans as thugs and murderers, I was shocked and almost brought to my knees, because even though I had served at the same time and same unit, I had never witnessed or participated in any of the events that the Senator had accused us of. I strongly believe that the statements made by the Senator were not only false and inaccurate, but extremely harmful to the United States' efforts in Southeast Asia and the rest of the world. Tragically, some veterans, scorned by the antiwar movement and their allies, retreated to a life of despair and suicide. Two of my crewmates were among them. For that there is no forgiveness. "

-- Richard O'Meara

"My name is Steve Gardner. I served in 1966 and 1967 on my first tour of duty in Vietnam on Swift boats, and I did my second tour in '68 and '69, involved with John Kerry in the last 2 1/2 months of my tour. The John Kerry that I know is not the John Kerry that everybody else is portraying. I served alongside him and behind him, five feet away from him in a gun tub, and watched as he made indecisive moves with our boat, put our boats in jeopardy, put our crews in jeopardy... if a man like that can't handle that 6-man crew boat, how can you expect him to be our Commander-in-Chief?"

-- Steven Gardner

"I served in Vietnam as a boat officer from June of 1968 to July of 1969. My service was three months in Coastal Division 13 out of Cat Lo, and nine months with Coastal Division 11 based in An Thoi. John Kerry was in An Thoi the same time I was. I'm here today to express the anger I have harbored for over 33 years, about being accused with my fellow shipmates of war atrocities.

All I can say is when I leave here today, I'm going down to the Wall to tell my two crew members it's not true, and that they and the other 49 Swiftees who are on the Wall were then and are still now the best."

-- Robert Brant


"I never saw, heard of, or participated in any Swift boat crews killing cattle, poisoning crops, or raping and killing civilians as charged by John Kerry, both in his book and in public statements. Since we both operated at the same time, in the same general area, and on the same missions under the same commanders, it is hard to believe his claims of atrocities and poor planning of Sea Lord missions.

I signed this letter because I feel that he used Swift boat sailors to proclaim his antiwar statements after the war, and now he uses the same Swift boat sailors to support his claims of being a war hero. He cannot have it both ways, and we are here to ask for full disclosure of the proof of his claims."

-- James Steffes

Semper Fi
God Blessed America

I think it's pretty clear what these guys think of ketchup boy. Make up your own mind. But, please, please....vote republican. At least Bush will face the enemy. From reading above, I have my doubts concerning ketchup boy! :uzi: :uzi: :uzi:

[alan c.]

Is it too late to court marshall this fool?

[NRAJOE]

Kerry is a scum sucking bastage! :full: :nod:

[Fred Vetter]

Maybe this talk about kerry is true,I really don't know.I do
believe that in this day and time,that people will do or say anything
to get his or her man in the whitehouse.It's no longer about
the good of the country,it's about the deal.As for Bush facing
the enemy,I don't see that he has much choice.As for the problems in this country
I think he has turned his back to them.We didn't need to spend 100 billion
in a war,in a country that could care less about America.There is a lot
of old folks that fought to keep America free ,that today will have to make
the choice between their medication or food.The more I think about it
the more pissed I get, BUSH @ Kerry are both bumms.

[dhermesc]

I thought you said you where going to change my mind about this lying sack of ****, pretty much confirms my already well thought out belief. By the way I'm on my third ban from the Kerry - Edwards site (Formally John Kerry Town Hall Meeting).

[NRAJOE]

Originally Posted by Fred Vetter

The more I think about it
the more pissed I get, BUSH @ Kerry are both bumms.

So what are you? A 3rd party vote wasting Libertarian? :insane:

[Rufus Rhastus J]

As I understand, Fred, these quotes came from former ketchup boy cronies. By that, i mean, they were in service with him. It appears they have little use for the scum bag. It should be noted, however, Bush's pals have not come forward to say bad things about him. Something to consider before one votes. Furthermore, if only one tenth is true, that's enough for me to know ketchup by is not what America needs. His willingness to bow before the UN is scarry enough to me.

[Fred Vetter]

No Joe,I 'am the vote that will cancel out your vote for Bush.
Third party libertarian,will i guess they have the right to their
thoughts on this subject to,even though I don't agree with them.
IT'S ABOUT THE FREEDOM OF CHOICE ,JOE.

[NRAJOE]

Whatever...pizz around and get Kerry voted in.....say goodbye as far as I'm concerned slick.....

[Rufus Rhastus J]

FRED, PLEASE VOTE REPUBLICAN! THE COUNTRY'S FUTURE IS AT STAKE! WE MUST NOT ALLOW THE COMMIES TO WIN! WE NEED YOU VOTE! EVERY VOTE COUNTS! PLEASE< RECONSIDER YOUR POSITION ON THIS ISSUE> THANK YOU< FOR LISTENING>
RUFUS RHASTUS JOHNSON BROWNE

[NRAJOE]

You can't tell people like him anything Rufie....

[Rufus Rhastus J]

Maybe so, Joe. But, I have to try.

[silentknight]

You can talk to them with words, but lead works :uzi:

[NRAJOE]

[PAPA G]

ketchup boy from massoftwoshits, lieing sack of !!!! that he is.

while the democraps stir !!!! about Bushes NG service, Lurch refuses to release his military records, refuses to release info on his involvment with the Heinz family fortune. think Kerry Munster is hiding something???

[Rufus Rhastus J]

I think he's a dirt bag and a disgrace to America.

[Shaun]

he's a coward most of his scratches were self inflicted so he could get a quick trip home

[Dale]

#1.............I dislike, distrust, dispise disrespect (and the list of DISes goes on) Kerry and intend NOT to vote for him.

#2............I intend to vote Bush.

#3............no one has convinced me the quotes about Kerry are in, fact, from the guys that served with him......though I wish we had evidence they are.

I mean it's reported on other sites that someone has researched who was with Kerry in 'Nam and they claim those are not their own "QUOTES".

As one person aptly put it, "Quotation marks do not make it so."

#4..........Fred....if you haven't learned from coming in here, unfortunately, if certain members and moderators don't agree with every aspect of you you are CHIT!. Hang in there. They aren't always right and very seldom are they totally right.

There are some in here that feel they have the right to their opinions and beliefs but be danged if anyone differs with them.

Some think that they have a right to freedom of choice but if you don't follow their lead then your choice is wrong. Whatever...you get my drift.

When they get on you for your beliefs.....which they shouldn't...it just shows their hipocraacy.

Keep your independence....I might not agree all the time but I give you the right to differ.

[Shaun]

Its simple Dale -- if all Kerry's claims are true he should release his military records if they aren't true the best thing to do is to keep the records hidden.

[Dale]

Whatever...pizz around and get Kerry voted in.....say goodbye as far as I'm concerned slick.....


BTW, Joe...that comment just isn't right and you know it.