Yeah $$$$ chaching. It's ok to dream, just don't drool on the pillow.
BTW, Joe...........?
"Final thoughts? This isn't for the Kalashnikov collector who wants the correct vodka smell on the rivets of his perfect AKM clone."
"While I like the strong points of the Kalashnikov, Stoner's AR seems like a much more user-friendly design."
Uhh.. hunh? I'm not really following his reasoning there. I'd think that indomitable reliability and the ability to spit out every make of ammo in the chosen caliber would equate to user friendliness, but hey, what do I know? I don't have a job reviewing rifles.
Just, a refresher, for my sake: Besides reliability, isn't the main point of the whole AK design USER FRIENDLINESS? I've never even owned one but I can strip and clean one in about 8-15 minutes, depending on the ammo used.
Well, critique of the critic aside, neat guns, but DANG they have a bit of markup with them. I thought that the Robarms special VEPRs with the better rear sights were marked up way too much for the little mods made, but these are friggin Saigas!
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My perspective on those rifles is that the high price is due to both the features and the fine fit and finish of Krebs. Most people want one or the other, and end up having to buy both to get what they want.
From my observations, AK-USA is a little bit better at catering to people's individual tastes without giving them more they need at a price they'd rather not pay. Krebs, on the other hand, is a little farther ahead on offering innovative systems and offering special parts for users' own projects. Both great enterprises and worth checking out.
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How about this though, deal of the century:
From Robinson Armament, list price $1,149
Every dollar counts right?
But, really, for the price of one of those things, I think I'd rather have a couple of these:
Or maybe a happy Saiga family of 7.62x39, .223, .308, and 12ga
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When I start getting picky about what kind of guns I like, it's time to leave the game.
Just noticed that. Very well said. They all go bang, and that alone makes them all pretty neat to begin with.
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"While I like the strong points of the Kalashnikov, Stoner's AR seems like a much more user-friendly design."
Uhh.. hunh? I'm not really following his reasoning there. I'd think that indomitable reliability and the ability to spit out every make of ammo in the chosen caliber would equate to user friendliness, but hey, what do I know? I don't have a job reviewing rifles.
I think they are talking more about the erogonomics (sp?) of an AR vs. an AK. On an AR you can keep your hand on the pistol grip (and I guess maybe keeping your eyes on the sites too) while changing a magazines, or loading the rifle. I also would pefer the sites on an AR over an AK. On an AK, you have that goofy safety to work with an 'fair' sites. And I think even just changing the mag in an AK is more involved (not by much....).
I am not knocking the AK, just defending the AR.
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I think alot has to do with what the user is used to. I haven't shot but maybe 2 or 3 shots through an AR and it seems complicated and clunky to me, I'm sure the same is true in reverse because a buddy of mine who was used to the M16 was just as confounded on my AK as I am on an AR. I would think that if I were spending that kind of cash on an AK, it should have some real collecter quality so, that being said, US made rifles don't fit that bill for me, rifles that are no longer importable do. JMHO
AR-Tim, I plan to make an AR mag well for my 223 Saiga. If I wanna go real nuts, I might make a thumb safety. Figure best of both worlds for reliability and convenience.
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That sounds pretty sweet (like a lot of ideas that you brew up). I would be interested in trying something like that but wouldn't know where to start and would be scared of making a big mistake (that wouldn't be easy to fix). Also, I am anything but an engineer and don't have the tools to do it (although I do have a lot of tools). Ideas like that are better left up to people like you to make, and people like me to be envy. Go for it!
Maybe it is just my very limited use of an AK, but I find that safety very akward. But then again, if it was that bad, it would have been re-designed by now.
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I've been using both peep and blade style sights for so long now, that neither one has advantages to me, unless it's a target style peep sight with a rubber eyepiece. Well, I say neither has advantages, but really they both balance each other out to me: pinpoint accuracy with the peep, rapid aquisition with the blades.
Safety is a safety is a safety to me, so many that you have to learn them with nearly every gun, but once learned, they're always about as simple as a lightswitch. The AR safety to me is too close to the thumb. Easy to operate, yeah, but it's so close it's almost in the way, and all the one's I've seen have had so little tension to them that they want to change position with the slightest bump. Could just be older ARs though.
I've got that complaint about almost all the safetys that I've seen though, they're always too easy to accidentally change.
But these things are fine details really, that only experienced riflemen should have the insight to appreciate. User friendliness, to me, implies ease of operation in the hands of a neophyte. In this category, the AK wins, IMHO.
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