Any chance we could "accidently" bomb this town?

dhermesc · 09-09-2004, 02:33 PM

KHQ-TVUSA - Artists and activists in Nelson, British Columbia, have announced plans for a monument and festival to honor U.S. draft dodgers who fled to Canada.

The celebration, dubbed ``Our Way Home,'' is set for July 8th and 9th, 2006. Festival director Isaac Romano says the purpose is to recognize the ``legacy of Vietnam War resisters and the Canadians who helped them resettle in this country.''

Dennis Klein, a sculptor and teacher at Kootenay School of the Arts, and artist Naomi Lewis have been chosen to make a bronze memorial depicting Canadians embracing the hands of American resisters. Mayor Dave Elliott says Nelson is just the place for such a monument. The town of about ten thousand has a lively arts scene and lies at the west end of Kootenay Lake about 410 miles east of Vancouver and 150 miles north of Spokane.

With those directions even John Denver should be able to find the place to carpet bomb it.

09-09-2004, 05:08 PM

who cares what they do up there..that country is overlooked on the world's stage..and not without reason

Snakebite · 09-09-2004, 05:45 PM

Bulding a monument for draft dodgers. Why not one for other criminal acts like murder? Its the same thing....honoring illegal acts.

CV32 · 09-09-2004, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Logansdad

who cares what they do up there..that country is overlooked on the world's stage..and not without reason

Umm, there ARE Canadians on this forum, fella.

We have our fair share of yahoos and spineless jellyfish too, but please don't stand us all up at the same backstop.

09-09-2004, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CV32

Umm, there ARE Canadians on this forum, fella.

We have our fair share of yahoos and spineless jellyfish too, but please don't stand us all up at the same backstop.

yeah..and your point is ?

CV32 · 09-09-2004, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Logansdad

yeah..and your point is ?

Umm, I thought this was my point: "please don't stand us all up at the same backstop". Hey, not trying to start a flame war or anything, but don't you think you should exercise a little discretion ? After all, the original suggestion that the town of Nelson, British Columbia, should be "accidentally bombed" is kinda in bad taste, considering the fact that Canadian soldiers WERE accidentally bombed (and killed) in Afghanistan by US jets. That's all.

09-09-2004, 07:55 PM

I'm just a little fed up with all the rampant liberalism up there..

CV32 · 09-09-2004, 07:59 PM

Me too, guy, me too. :uzi:

NorCalAshnjikov · 10-27-2004, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Snakebite

Bulding a monument for draft dodgers. Why not one for other criminal acts like murder? Its the same thing....honoring illegal acts.

Could it be that
you couldn't exactly refuse to go (civil disobedience)?
If you did, you weren't imprisoned, you were shipped to Vietnam.

DISCLAIMER:
don't know much about history, just spitballing

Big Dog · 10-27-2004, 05:28 AM

There were various ways to ensure one would not go to Vietnam itself.
Declare Consciencios Objector staus. It still allows one to serve his/her commitment, just not in combat. We had one aboard my ship.
Or, one could volunteer for a less-hazardous service, or a less hazardous job specialty. Not many motorpool guys, office pukes or aircraft mechanics saw combat or were in any real danger. Or join the Navy or Coast Guard (in wartime, the USCG becomes a DOD agency) - good way to serve, and not be in too much danger (just stay away from those Swiftboats . . . ) .

I still see the draft dodgers as criminals with no backbone. They can justify it with their "moral ideals", but to a generation who did go and fight (and sometimes die), they will always be seen as cowards.

Those in Canada or any other country who aided and abetted them should hang their heads in shame.
As CV32 says, not all Canadians are in this mold, very few in fact. I knew some Canucks during my USAF and Navy years, and they were fine guys. Good aircraft, good ships - they are warriors too (and with better beer than we had).

If I remember right, a Canadian still holds the distance record for a Sniper kill in the sandbox. But he did use US ammo in his .50 BMG rifle.

Dennis · 10-27-2004, 06:39 AM

Hey Cv32 great job of standing up for your self

Troy · 10-27-2004, 10:52 AM

big dog mentions "I still see the draft dodgers as criminals with no backbone. They can justify it with their "moral ideals", but to a generation who did go and fight (and sometimes die), they will always be seen as cowards" and i agree about them being cowards. draft dodge a war while enjoying all the freedoms that were won for the world in ww2 should be considered treason and treated as such. and ld we have danced this dance before, "who cares what they do up there..that country is overlooked on the world's stage..and not without reason " eh? while i am willing to dismiss this quote as just frustration on your part and out of genuine respect for you.
"I'm just a little fed up with all the rampant liberalism up there.." implies just that, not an actual attack on us, the citizens personally. and i agree with cv32's follow up quote "Me too, guy, me too." the liberalism is rampant, just look at our gun control which i have strenuously made a point of it's stupidity. while i am going back in history and i didnt fight in any wars, i do defend canada's good and strong people. if it has been forgotten, i could dig up some info on canada's contributions to ww2 as well as the more recent conflicts that canada has been a part of and has also lost good men to.

Troy · 10-27-2004, 11:16 AM

big dog
"There were various ways to ensure one would not go to Vietnam itself."
anyone that took that route should be shamed and humiliated. ever looked after a friend in spite of them being wrong? cause you were their friend right? your country is your home, your friend, your keeper. if it is at war, then so are you! i get the impression that you will agree with me on that.

your statement "Those in Canada or any other country who aided and abetted them should hang their heads in shame" rings so true that it hurts. building a god !!!!ed monument to cowardice is a stain that i am shamed to carry, and i do carry it because i live here.

Stopper · 10-27-2004, 11:38 AM

Well the monument didn't go up for lack of interest. The draft is a form of involuntary servitude, so may your chains sit lightly upon you. You do not see or read the word draft in the constitution because we're supposed to be free. You only need a draft when the country is being lead down the wrong road.

Freedom is not free, but no one has tried to take it from us since Lincoln did.

09-09-2004, 02:33 PM	#1
dhermesc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: East Central Kansas Posts: 1,762	Any chance we could "accidently" bomb this town? KHQ-TVUSA - Artists and activists in Nelson, British Columbia, have announced plans for a monument and festival to honor U.S. draft dodgers who fled to Canada. The celebration, dubbed ``Our Way Home,'' is set for July 8th and 9th, 2006. Festival director Isaac Romano says the purpose is to recognize the ``legacy of Vietnam War resisters and the Canadians who helped them resettle in this country.'' Dennis Klein, a sculptor and teacher at Kootenay School of the Arts, and artist Naomi Lewis have been chosen to make a bronze memorial depicting Canadians embracing the hands of American resisters. Mayor Dave Elliott says Nelson is just the place for such a monument. The town of about ten thousand has a lively arts scene and lies at the west end of Kootenay Lake about 410 miles east of Vancouver and 150 miles north of Spokane. With those directions even John Denver should be able to find the place to carpet bomb it. __________________ Liberty is for those that claim it.

09-09-2004, 07:59 PM	#8
CV32 Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Newfoundland Posts: 88	Me too, guy, me too. :uzi: __________________ Happiness is a warm gun. - The Beatles

10-27-2004, 05:28 AM	#10
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,421	There were various ways to ensure one would not go to Vietnam itself. Declare Consciencios Objector staus. It still allows one to serve his/her commitment, just not in combat. We had one aboard my ship. Or, one could volunteer for a less-hazardous service, or a less hazardous job specialty. Not many motorpool guys, office pukes or aircraft mechanics saw combat or were in any real danger. Or join the Navy or Coast Guard (in wartime, the USCG becomes a DOD agency) - good way to serve, and not be in too much danger (just stay away from those Swiftboats . . . ) . I still see the draft dodgers as criminals with no backbone. They can justify it with their "moral ideals", but to a generation who did go and fight (and sometimes die), they will always be seen as cowards. Those in Canada or any other country who aided and abetted them should hang their heads in shame. As CV32 says, not all Canadians are in this mold, very few in fact. I knew some Canucks during my USAF and Navy years, and they were fine guys. Good aircraft, good ships - they are warriors too (and with better beer than we had). If I remember right, a Canadian still holds the distance record for a Sniper kill in the sandbox. But he did use US ammo in his .50 BMG rifle. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

10-27-2004, 06:39 AM	#11
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,883	Hey Cv32 great job of standing up for your self __________________ Submitted with respect to all

10-27-2004, 11:38 AM	#14
Stopper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansass Posts: 2,212 Images: 1	Well the monument didn't go up for lack of interest. The draft is a form of involuntary servitude, so may your chains sit lightly upon you. You do not see or read the word draft in the constitution because we're supposed to be free. You only need a draft when the country is being lead down the wrong road. Freedom is not free, but no one has tried to take it from us since Lincoln did. __________________ They should have stopped at "Congress shall make no law"

09-09-2004, 05:08 PM	#2
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	who cares what they do up there..that country is overlooked on the world's stage..and not without reason

09-09-2004, 05:45 PM	#3
Snakebite Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tucson, Mexico Posts: 1,846	Bulding a monument for draft dodgers. Why not one for other criminal acts like murder? Its the same thing....honoring illegal acts.

09-09-2004, 07:55 PM	#7
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	I'm just a little fed up with all the rampant liberalism up there..

10-27-2004, 10:52 AM	#12
Troy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Manitoba Canada Posts: 2,505 Images: 3	big dog mentions "I still see the draft dodgers as criminals with no backbone. They can justify it with their "moral ideals", but to a generation who did go and fight (and sometimes die), they will always be seen as cowards" and i agree about them being cowards. draft dodge a war while enjoying all the freedoms that were won for the world in ww2 should be considered treason and treated as such. and ld we have danced this dance before, "who cares what they do up there..that country is overlooked on the world's stage..and not without reason " eh? while i am willing to dismiss this quote as just frustration on your part and out of genuine respect for you. "I'm just a little fed up with all the rampant liberalism up there.." implies just that, not an actual attack on us, the citizens personally. and i agree with cv32's follow up quote "Me too, guy, me too." the liberalism is rampant, just look at our gun control which i have strenuously made a point of it's stupidity. while i am going back in history and i didnt fight in any wars, i do defend canada's good and strong people. if it has been forgotten, i could dig up some info on canada's contributions to ww2 as well as the more recent conflicts that canada has been a part of and has also lost good men to.

10-27-2004, 11:16 AM	#13
Troy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Manitoba Canada Posts: 2,505 Images: 3	big dog "There were various ways to ensure one would not go to Vietnam itself." anyone that took that route should be shamed and humiliated. ever looked after a friend in spite of them being wrong? cause you were their friend right? your country is your home, your friend, your keeper. if it is at war, then so are you! i get the impression that you will agree with me on that. your statement "Those in Canada or any other country who aided and abetted them should hang their heads in shame" rings so true that it hurts. building a god !!!!ed monument to cowardice is a stain that i am shamed to carry, and i do carry it because i live here.