Nat'l Guard Slam?

Indy · 09-16-2004, 09:04 AM

I read a thread from another board that John Kerry referred to the National Guard as "plastic soldiers." His impression they are not up to the standards of regular military. I hope this isn't true, because of all the guardsmen currently in harm's way.
Indy

Shaun · 09-16-2004, 09:10 AM

I heard he basically said they were cowards -- personally I have friends in the active reserve and I consider him a hero for stepping up and serving the country.

Gyrene · 09-16-2004, 09:25 AM

That ought to alienate a bunch of voters!

The National Guard Troops, have always been ready to step up and do their duty!

Big Dog · 09-16-2004, 09:51 AM

The National Guard and Reservists have become a very important component of our national defense, especially with the down-sizing of the active military. They have provided 40% of the man-power in Jihadistan, and many of the men and women have been serving on active duty for months longer than their regs call for. Don't sell them short, they are soldiers, sailors and airmen, just as much as the regular active troops.
And Kerry is an !!!.
He just totally blew off a very big voting block. JFK shoots himself in the foot yet again.

Stopper · 09-16-2004, 10:20 AM

Just proves what a complete and total jack!!!!! John kerry is. He's a pompous a-hole.
And he's wrong.

jerry · 09-16-2004, 10:37 AM

I'm beating a dead horse here. However, I went to the gulf the first time active duty with an OA-10A outfit. We did our jobs and did them well.

This time I went with our Guard unit. C130E's with 40+ year old aircraft we out flew every other AD and ANG and RES component in the desert. Due to the Federal technician program the Guard & RES have great depth of knowledge and experience. (we have a bunch of old guys) there was a guy from The TN ANG who was a viet-nam vet and still out there with us young bucks tearing it up.

As it was put forth to us, " The history books are being written as we speak"

Were doing a fine job out there, all branches. The Govt definitely gets it's moneys worth :right:

dhermesc · 09-16-2004, 10:59 AM

Pretty bad considering Kerry himself joined a reserve unit back in 1966 that got activated.

whirlwind · 09-16-2004, 12:48 PM

im anxious to see how he is recieved when he speaks to the same group of guard vets that w spoke too...i think its today but not sure?

Big Dog · 09-16-2004, 04:32 PM

I sure hope they are all packing CCT's! Conceled Carry Tomatoes . . .
Hey, give those 'maters to the Ketchup King - over hand!

Bwahahaha!

<-- Kudos to the Guard!

Rave · 09-16-2004, 10:22 PM

Kerry=

toolman · 09-16-2004, 11:36 PM

I heard via a Hannity caller a couple of days ago that W. tried to join a reserve group that was being activated during Viet Nam. Has anyone else heard this? The caller claimed that he (W) had volunteered to serve in Viet Nam and was passed over or refused. I'm curious if this is just wishful thinking or actual fact? I support Bush 100% but don't want to spread "un-facts". Just for the record, I wish Kerry had a swift boat up his drain hole!

Despoiler · 09-17-2004, 01:12 AM

Toolman,
I also heard that today on fox news (Tony Snow I think), it came from bush's wingman. I have no idea if there is anything to it.

dhermesc · 09-17-2004, 07:34 AM

W attempted to join an activation called "Palace Guard" (exact term?), and was passed over.

jerry · 09-17-2004, 06:47 PM

AD to ANG is called palace chase. That could be the opposite.

No$4Guns · 09-17-2004, 07:53 PM

Bush was passed over for activation because he was trained to fly F-102's. At the time it was obsolete and no longer used by the Air Force. I believe his term was nearly up and did not allow time to retrain.

Big Dog · 09-18-2004, 05:23 AM

Yep, by the time I joined the USAF (delayed enlistment in '75) the F-102's had all been converted to radio-controlled drones for use at Tyndall AFB's missile range. They were running out of the F-100 drones.
The regular USAF had been using the F-106 for a number of years. Heck, most of them were '58 to '60 models. I was surprised the Duece was used as long as it was. Back then, the Guard was the military's "Redheaded Stepchild" - not getting the latest equipment. The Marines are still in that boat.

09-16-2004, 09:04 AM	#1
Indy Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 331	Nat'l Guard Slam? I read a thread from another board that John Kerry referred to the National Guard as "plastic soldiers." His impression they are not up to the standards of regular military. I hope this isn't true, because of all the guardsmen currently in harm's way. Indy

09-16-2004, 09:10 AM	#2
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,592 Images: 1	I heard he basically said they were cowards -- personally I have friends in the active reserve and I consider him a hero for stepping up and serving the country. __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

09-16-2004, 09:51 AM	#4
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,208	The National Guard and Reservists have become a very important component of our national defense, especially with the down-sizing of the active military. They have provided 40% of the man-power in Jihadistan, and many of the men and women have been serving on active duty for months longer than their regs call for. Don't sell them short, they are soldiers, sailors and airmen, just as much as the regular active troops. And Kerry is an !!!. He just totally blew off a very big voting block. JFK shoots himself in the foot yet again. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

09-16-2004, 10:20 AM	#5
Stopper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansass Posts: 2,211 Images: 1	Just proves what a complete and total jack!!!!! John kerry is. He's a pompous a-hole. And he's wrong. __________________ They should have stopped at "Congress shall make no law"

09-16-2004, 10:37 AM	#6
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10,871 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 1	I'm beating a dead horse here. However, I went to the gulf the first time active duty with an OA-10A outfit. We did our jobs and did them well. This time I went with our Guard unit. C130E's with 40+ year old aircraft we out flew every other AD and ANG and RES component in the desert. Due to the Federal technician program the Guard & RES have great depth of knowledge and experience. (we have a bunch of old guys) there was a guy from The TN ANG who was a viet-nam vet and still out there with us young bucks tearing it up. As it was put forth to us, " The history books are being written as we speak" Were doing a fine job out there, all branches. The Govt definitely gets it's moneys worth :right: __________________ I'm a down home back woods redneck

09-16-2004, 09:25 AM	#3
Gyrene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 886	That ought to alienate a bunch of voters! The National Guard Troops, have always been ready to step up and do their duty!

09-16-2004, 10:59 AM	#7
dhermesc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: East Central Kansas Posts: 1,762	Pretty bad considering Kerry himself joined a reserve unit back in 1966 that got activated. __________________ Liberty is for those that claim it.

09-16-2004, 12:48 PM	#8
whirlwind Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: oklahoma Posts: 3,737 Images: 1	im anxious to see how he is recieved when he speaks to the same group of guard vets that w spoke too...i think its today but not sure? __________________ De oppresso liber !

09-16-2004, 04:32 PM	#9
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,208	I sure hope they are all packing CCT's! Conceled Carry Tomatoes . . . Hey, give those 'maters to the Ketchup King - over hand! Bwahahaha! <-- Kudos to the Guard! __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

09-16-2004, 10:22 PM	#10
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 6,859	Kerry= __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

09-16-2004, 11:36 PM	#11
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,566 Blog Entries: 22	I heard via a Hannity caller a couple of days ago that W. tried to join a reserve group that was being activated during Viet Nam. Has anyone else heard this? The caller claimed that he (W) had volunteered to serve in Viet Nam and was passed over or refused. I'm curious if this is just wishful thinking or actual fact? I support Bush 100% but don't want to spread "un-facts". Just for the record, I wish Kerry had a swift boat up his drain hole! __________________ Don't be messin' with my gun!

09-17-2004, 01:12 AM	#12
Despoiler Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Occupied Territory of California Posts: 2,232	Toolman, I also heard that today on fox news (Tony Snow I think), it came from bush's wingman. I have no idea if there is anything to it.

09-17-2004, 07:34 AM	#13
dhermesc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: East Central Kansas Posts: 1,762	W attempted to join an activation called "Palace Guard" (exact term?), and was passed over. __________________ Liberty is for those that claim it.

09-17-2004, 06:47 PM	#14
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10,871 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 1	AD to ANG is called palace chase. That could be the opposite. __________________ I'm a down home back woods redneck

09-17-2004, 07:53 PM	#15
No$4Guns Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 9	Bush was passed over for activation because he was trained to fly F-102's. At the time it was obsolete and no longer used by the Air Force. I believe his term was nearly up and did not allow time to retrain.

09-18-2004, 05:23 AM	#16
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,208	Yep, by the time I joined the USAF (delayed enlistment in '75) the F-102's had all been converted to radio-controlled drones for use at Tyndall AFB's missile range. They were running out of the F-100 drones. The regular USAF had been using the F-106 for a number of years. Heck, most of them were '58 to '60 models. I was surprised the Duece was used as long as it was. Back then, the Guard was the military's "Redheaded Stepchild" - not getting the latest equipment. The Marines are still in that boat. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.