Finally, someone is wakeing up!

[Rufus Rhastus J]

Check this out! It makes me feel better to know that someone finally gets the idea! We are at war with these foul smelling camel molesters!

Republicans Keep Deportation Provision Alive
By DANA PRIEST and CHARLES BABINGTON The Washington Post
Published: Sep 30, 2004




WASHINGTON - The Bush administration is supporting a provision in the House leadership's intelligence reform bill that would allow U.S. authorities to deport certain foreigners to countries where they are likely to be tortured or abused, an action prohibited by the international laws against torture the United States signed 20 years ago.
The provision, part of the massive bill introduced Friday by House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., would apply to non- U.S. citizens who are suspected of having links to terrorist organizations but have not been tried on or convicted of any charges. Democrats tried to strike the provision in a daylong House Judiciary Committee meeting, but it survived on a party-line vote.

The provision, human rights advocates said, contradicts pledges President Bush made after the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal erupted this spring that the United States would stand behind the U.N. Convention Against Torture. Hastert spokesman John Feehery said the Justice Department ``really wants and supports'' the provision.

Justice Department spokesman Mark Corallo said, ``We can't comment on any specific provision, but we support those provisions that will better secure our borders and protect the American people from terrorists.''

The provision is one of several items in the bill that Democrats say are unrelated to intelligence reform but Republicans say are important tools for fighting terrorists. The Senate is debating its intelligence reform bill that does not include the provision, and the House bill is being marked up in several committees.

Human rights groups and members of Congress opposed to the provision say it could result in the torture of hundreds of people now held in the United States who could be sent back to countries such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan and Pakistan, all of which have dubious human rights records.

Supporters say the measure would provide a much-needed change to U.S. laws.

``Our laws are not up-to- date with the war we're fighting,'' Feehery said. Often, the Justice Department ``can't keep [terror suspects] in detention, they can't convict them, they don't want to try them. ... If you can't detain them indefinitely, you sure don't want them in America.''

The international antitorture law prohibited the deportation of individuals to countries where there is a reasonable expectation that they will be tortured, abused or persecuted.

``Is it an inconvenience if we can't send people back to torturers? Sure,'' said Tom Malinowski of Human Rights Watch. ``But since Abu Ghraib, everyone from the president to the Defense Department to Congress has said the United States does not have a policy of torture. If this passes, we will have a policy of tolerating torture.''

Under the Hastert bill, U.S. authorities could send an immigrant to any country, regardless of the likelihood of torture or abuse. The measure would shift to the deportee the burden of proving ``by clear and convincing evidence that he or she would be tortured.'' It would bar a U.S. court from reviewing the regulations, which would fall under the secretary of homeland security.

Meanwhile, the Senate on Wednesday blocked an attempt to give a new national intelligence director day-to- day control over all the United States' intelligence agencies, including those now reporting to the Pentagon.

It was the first test of strength between those seeking to preserve the authority of the defense secretary and those who want to centralize the 15-agency intelligence community under a new director.

Seventy-eight senators voted to table an amendment offered by Sen. Arlen Specter, R- Pa., to broaden the intelligence czar's authority. Nineteen lawmakers backed the proposal.

Sen. Joe Lieberman, D- Conn., warned that any Senate bid to give more power to a national intelligence director would jeopardize the effort to finish legislation restructuring the intelligence community before Congress takes a pre- election recess in early October. The House version of the legislation gives the national intelligence director more limited authority.

Of the 15 agencies in the U.S. intelligence community, eight come under the purview of the Defense Department. The Pentagon controls about 80 percent of the estimated $40 billion intelligence budget.


Information from the Los Angeles Times [ ]was used in this report.

[Rave]

"Party line vote." Sounds familiar,the Democrats talk the talk,but they don't walk the walk.
This is one more example of why you can't vote for a Democrat even if he is a good person,when the chips are down,he will let you gown, jmho

[Shaun]

I am still waiting to hear about little johnny taliban's request to the president to be released. If we did release him I hope its over a pool of hungry great whites.

[Rufus Rhastus J]

yup, Shaun...great idea! Clearly the group does not agree....since I see only two posts. I'm curious, I wonder what they group thinks should be done to protect America, and her citizens. Obviously, they don't like the idea of deportation.

[Shaun]

Ruf I am being nice I am still under the belief that our guys should have walked him out to the fan tail of one of the carriers and touched off a round in the back of his head

[Rufus Rhastus J]

Yes, you are being nice! Much nicer than I would, given the state of war and his clear hate for America. I think, why bother? Just bust a cap in his head right where you found him. Why all the transportation and attending bull shizzit?

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/l...020502cmp.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Walker_Lindh

Imprisonment
Since January 2003, Lindh has been at a medium-security prison in Victorville, northeast of Los Angeles. On March 3, 2003, Lindh was tackled by inmate Richard Dale Morrison who hit him while screaming obscenities before running off. Lindh suffered a bruised forehead. On July 2, 2003, Morrison was charged with a misdemeanor count of assault.

Richard Dale Morrison deserves a thumbs up :right:

[Rave]

Shaun,I like it.It sounds like a nice simple going away party,neat and clean. :right:

alot of the Nazis felt this same way about the Jews

[Rufus Rhastus J]

you make one mistake, and nobody is ever allowed to forget. Over fifty years, and we still have to hear the whiners. But, I still like German food.I feel so gulity. Sniff, sniff..... By the way, Rave...What's wrong with my idea?

[Rave]

Looks like ld really came out of left field with that one???????????????????????

[Rufus Rhastus J]

who cares? You failed to answer my question! What's wrong with my idea? Just blast him while in the sand box, save the grief and money for jail, trial and everything else. we already know he was not a prisoner of those camel molesters. Therefore, he is the enemy.....or did I miss something?

[Rave]

YHIS THRED IS BOUNCING AROUND SO MUCH i AM NOT SURE WHAT YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION IS.
Are you talking about the American Taliban,that creepy little traitorus fruit cake?

[Rufus Rhastus J]

yup

[grizzly]

Is that some rag-head would use his body for propaganda....


Off the fantail... :assult:

[Rave]

Sorry lil' bastid,off the fan tail with him,anchors awayyyyyyyyyyy,splash,down to Davy Jones locker!

I was hoping somebody would say "we are justified in that we were attacked whereas the Jews did not attack the Nazis"..see what you can come up with if you think things through ?..

[Rufus Rhastus J]

Originally Posted by grizzly

Is that some rag-head would use his body for propaganda....


Off the fantail... :assult:

We could wrap it in a fig skin and those filthy muslim rag headed camel molesting bastids would not touch it! Or, bast it many times so as to diguise it!

Originally Posted by Rufus Rhastus J

and we still have to hear the whiners

whatchya tryin' to say Skinhead ?

[Rave]

LD,I am sorry to bring this up,but I must beg to differ with you. After looking at your picture there is no doubt in my mind that Rufus has more hair than you. Therefore,I feel that you have no right refering to him as a skinhead!
Sorry,but facts is facts.