the post " a midevil approach to moderm terrorism" got me thinkin. i read a book written by john douglas and mark olshacker called "journey into darkness". john is the original fbi crime profiler, credited with starting the behavioral sciences unit. he poses interesting questions on who can and cant be rehabilitated. as much as it may pain some, look at it from the terrorist point of view. most have been programmed from birth to hate. take a devoted cristian and see if you can make them into an athiest. take a lifelong racist and try to undo a lifetime of programming. if you really take a look at it, i think there is a much bigger problem than most people think. i have no wondersolution for this, i just wanted to see what you guys have for input.
There is probably no way to ever change the the muslim veiws on America. , but we can all arm ourselves, know what to watch for, and make the U.S. a very dangerous and uneffective target. That means not fearing what they could do and not changing our ways to plese them. See a terroist with a bomb strapped to his chest near a school? (or anywhere else) give him a double tap to the head and send him to allah. see one heading to the cockpit on your flight? incite a riot and chuck him out the door.
Eventually they will quit wasting money on us and go after weaker nations. much like they have recently. (france, Russia, Italy.), but the distance the average American will go for safety and give up rights needed for personal protection does make the future look bleak. The fact that most sheeple belive that police will always be there to save us and our kids and the feds will keep our borders safe drives me nuts :smash:
I think the best cure for this type of situation is a thing we invented a while back called TOTAL WAR!
see it will be quick and over
carpet bombing and smashing ALL who oppose us.
the problem we have is that so many of us have been programed a reverence for human life.
except when we dont.................?
its weird
there are so many that can not accept leadership.
no matter what the situation is.
rebelling is a national sport here. our lack of unity is concidered by many to be a great asset.
I think the Hippie Anti War Protesters cultivate this just to keep the united states from ruling the world.
We can not do anything to the earth with out an enviromental impact statement. even then they will protest.
We limit ourselves.
the War in Iraq is over and the situation there is getting better
The newsies dont want this, So they report everything so it looks like the country has gone to hell in a hand basket.
this of course prompts the insurgents to have big showy incedents
and the circle continues.
the whole thing has degenerated in to a made for TV war.
and the hippie anti war protesters just love it
there are so many younger ones that missed the vietnam war and now they have a war they can protest Boy oh boy are they happy.
its all turned in to a big jack off session.
we need to seal the borders, thats SEAL THE BORDERS.
patrol with aircraft and anything moving gets blasted period. no questions no pictures no nothing.
Say it and MEAN IT
make it happen.
Then Clean out the towns.
Mosul, give everyone 24 hours to leave as everyone that passes through the check points remove every man between the ages of 10 and 70 ID them photograph them finger print and Dna,keep them in a holding camp
then level the town.
same with flaujeha (sp)
give the people 12 hours to leave, screen the people let the women and kids and old people go, and level the town. smash it flat leave not one stone upon another.
Let the Iraqis (with our help) filter the war fighting age men, photograph, finger print, Dna sample, hell even indoctrinate them.
see how that goes.
Keep all known bad guys.
We will only have to do that once or twice and you would be amazed at how fast the insurgents would dissapear.
they could have elections and then we would go home.
we have been so soft while fighting this war that they do not respect us which is the reason they started this whole thing in the first place.
We will be in a continous warfare situation untill we do something like this.
Muslims in Asia (1996) 1,022,692,000 (30%)
Muslims in Africa (1996) 426,282,000 (59%)
Total Number of Muslims on the Earth (1996) 1,482,596,925
Total Number of People on the Earth (1996) 5,771,939,007
Percentage of Muslims (1996) 26%
Islam annual growth rate (1994-1995) from U.N. 6.40%
Christianity growth rate (1994-1995) from U.N. 1.46%
Total Number of Muslims on the Earth (1998) 1,678,442,000
Expected Number of Muslims on the Earth (2000) 1,902,095,000
Among every four humans in the world, one of them is Muslim. Muslims have increased by over 235 percent in the last fifty years up to nearly 1.6 billion. By comparison, Christians have increased by only 47 percent, Hinduism, 117 percent, and Buddhism by 63 percent. Islam is the second largest religious group in France, Great Britain and USA (Muslims in USA are 10 millions and Jews are 6 millions).
The number of the total population has been taken from The CIA World's Facts Book.
One must rember that not all terrorist acts are by muslims (most but not all)....so can we 100% get rid of terrorist acts...NO NEVER NADA . Even if this country became 100% muslim...denonced Isreal and covered up our women....then some other group would use violance to try to take over or change something....rember assanation of a president....burning down a church are considered terrorist acts.
Assumeing we dont all convert ....still the answer is NO. How do you stop people from killing that are willing to kill themselfs to kill you....think off all the drugs that get smuggled into this country each day...and illeagle alians that sneak in as well....how hard is it then to sneak in 10 terrrorist...10 pounts of c-4....a ton of c-4 for that matter....drug smuggles delive 10 times that in pot and cocaine each day.
Also I think of all the fiction books that come out with some terrorist group ploting or doing something to the USA....there are hundreds of thses types of books...all with a diffrent terrorist plot (Tom Clancys book teeth of the tiger had a terrorist group break ups into groups of 4 and each group shoot up a mall....to let Americans know we are not safe).....likewise not all muslims are inbread jerry springer show wannabes...they have PhD's and some smart people too....so for every 100 fiction writers that come up with a plan....we can assume 100 terrorist also came up with something else....how do you protect every place from every possible thing???? Who knows..maybe some terrorist is reading a book right now...going hummmmmmm or comeing up with his own unique plan....
personally i think it can be won...but we as a nation will have to realize that we may not be "at war" with islam,but islam "IS" at war with us! so i think what must be done is a nation wide campaign against not only overt terrorists but all muslims! the terrorists hide behind thier own innocent people and they hide in mosques (sp?) and we are supposed to be so P.c that we wont chase em into a mosque? sheesh didnt they bomb a few churches in baghdad? we seem to be the only ones in this war that have to play by some imaginary set of rules to calm the people of the world! it just plain sucks! and that is what i feel is costing most of the casualties on our side in iraq! i agree with ox...scorched earth policy needs to be brought back! people dont remember the lengths we had to go through to win ww2,or the rough policy's that were inforced after to settle the pockets of remaining hard core nazi's. what im saying is we need to turn the cameras off,untie our hands and let the military do what it does so well!...give these fanatics an old school azz whoopin!
I don't think we will ever eliminate terrorism as a whole as has already been stated. Acts of terrorism go back thousands of years. But the "sect" of terrorism that we are dealing with can be shrunken per se.
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There is one way in my book and that would be to Vaporize all of them and let God sort them out
who decides who "all of them"is? every race had it's lunatics right? you dont want to wipe an entire religion out because of one particular point of view do you? there have been some other people in the past who believed that wiping out entire races of people was the answer. i will leave you to ponder that thought.
personally i think it can be won...but we as a nation will have to realize that we may not be "at war" with islam,but islam "IS" at war with us! so i think what must be done is a nation wide campaign against not only overt terrorists but all muslims! the terrorists hide behind thier own innocent people and they hide in mosques (sp?) and we are supposed to be so P.c that we wont chase em into a mosque? sheesh didnt they bomb a few churches in baghdad? we seem to be the only ones in this war that have to play by some imaginary set of rules to calm the people of the world! it just plain sucks! and that is what i feel is costing most of the casualties on our side in iraq! i agree with ox...scorched earth policy needs to be brought back! people dont remember the lengths we had to go through to win ww2,or the rough policy's that were inforced after to settle the pockets of remaining hard core nazi's. what im saying is we need to turn the cameras off,untie our hands and let the military do what it does so well!...give these fanatics an old school azz whoopin!
i agree that it has to be made clear that any terrorist action has to be met with such a harsh reprisal that it would become unthinkable to commit such an act. and countries that are fighthing this war against terrorism shouldn't have to be so concerned with what the press and the rest of the world thinks. this is war, not a popularity contest.
who decides who "all of them"is? every race had it's lunatics right? you dont want to wipe an entire religion out because of one particular point of view do you? there have been some other people in the past who believed that wiping out entire races of people was the answer. i will leave you to ponder that thought.
All of them means the complete region then then any other region or country that produces them -- it will get the point across plot a terror attack and we will exterminate everything. when you get an insect invasion and only see a couple do you kill the couple or do you find the and ant hill and kill the whole sect.
Pondering.....Pondering... nope I still wanna kill em
as long as you have the right 'them' and not anyone else. that is what makes 'them' terrorists and us not. if they bag a few military types or civilian types makes no difference to a terrorist. the higher road must be walked and the innocents even if they are muslim must be protected.
all islam is our enemy now. and i dont see islam as a "religion" anymore. i see it more as a cult than anything. their so called profit was a murder,how can we expect anything less from each of them?
The Koran states that all 'Infidels' must be killed. Earlier it makes reference to all non-muslims as 'Infidels'. Their very religion breeds hate, terrorists, and condones the abuse of women. Does this sound like a tolerant, peacefull religion to you. We would be better off without them.
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Personally, I beleive we can win the war terrorists. But, not like we are going about it. I agree with many of the above.......we must hurt them, hurt them very badly. So badly, in fact, they become fearful of what we will do next, if attacked. I think a little wholesale slaughter would go far in makeing them see the light. If nothing else, the innocents will narc the terrorists out for fear we will destroy their town next. Being senseitve has only made us appear weak.
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Iraq can be solved by pulling our guys out and carpet bombing the country with MOAB's or just giving them the authority to shoot anything with they feel is suspicious
can a war against terrorism be won? 
, but we can all arm ourselves, know what to watch for, and make the U.S. a very dangerous and uneffective target. That means not fearing what they could do and not changing our ways to plese them. See a terroist with a bomb strapped to his chest near a school? (or anywhere else) give him a double tap to the head and send him to allah. see one heading to the cockpit on your flight? incite a riot and chuck him out the door.
The fact that most sheeple belive that police will always be there to save us and our kids and the feds will keep our borders safe drives me nuts 
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