town hall debate...

whirlwind · 10-08-2004, 11:42 PM

well im rather proud of "W" tonight! he has redeemed himself in my eyes from how he performed on the last debate! of course the dems are crying victory,but no honest man could say that bush didnt clean house tonight! hes back on track FINALLY!

Shaun · 10-09-2004, 12:03 AM

He did a wonderful job of slaming Kerry every chance he could -- did any one notice Kerry's flip flop in the debate tonight regarding Iraq

10-09-2004, 12:55 AM

They both performed much better this time. W seemed far less flustered and more focused and Kerry seemed more charismatic and aggressive toward W. All in all I'd say it was a very engaging debate.

Rufus Rhastus J · 10-09-2004, 08:50 AM

yes, better preformance, same crap. I hope Bush can pull it out.

Chris · 10-09-2004, 08:55 AM

I didn't get a chance to see this debate at all!

Shaun · 10-09-2004, 09:33 AM

Chris try CSPAN today

Chris · 10-09-2004, 10:53 AM

Just caught it....same o crap....Kerry had it from the start...then Bush took it going to the end.

PAPA G · 10-09-2004, 12:02 PM

what debate??? all i saw was a better presentation of the S.O.S. that both sides put out. wanna see somebody get all hot and bothered and start swinging. take the gloves off, get nasty.

whirlwind · 10-09-2004, 12:18 PM

well at one point last night i thought "W" was gonna rush the moderator!...and im not ashamed to say,at that very moment...i got wood!

Dennis · 10-09-2004, 07:37 PM

There is no arguing with these people.

as I sit here lisening to the endless drivel over the second Debate
it goes on and on and on
there is nothing that can be said to change the minds of the pro kerry people.
they believe in him in an almost reliegious ferver
it is crazy when ya think about it.
if ya say something silly, enough times it begins to sound reasonable.
the "roll back the tax cuts" will help the economy Idea
its the stupidest thing I ever heard
Decoded it means
Raising taxes, will help the economy?
Wrong!!!
Personally I am glad they didnt find WMD'sthat means he either moved them(probable) or they are still hidden (Possible)
There is to much evidence of WMD's presence for any one to be able to deny they existed at all.
To me its a dead issue there is enough evidence all ready
The dems know this but it is such a huge campagne mantra
that they have created.................
I cant understand for the life of me why GWB has bought in to this phoney question.
WMD's and the lack there of is a phoney argument.
theres been plenty of evidence of their existence
and we have even recovered IED'sthat where Sarin artillery shells
yet
GWB wont pierce that phoney ballon of belief that the Dems have
artificially made.
and they are trying to prove a negative.
Hussaien had them (absolutly proven) and he now claims he does not have any.
We cant prove they do not have some buried some where.
so we are going give back Iraq because we didnt find the stash of WMD's?
Thats what Kerry wants to do.

Dennis · 10-09-2004, 07:39 PM

I could not leave this subject alone Again

Ya know,
lisening to the replay of the debate it struck me
Kerry is playing to our vanity and arrogance.
he plays to Americas Ego.
its not direct its inferred

The "We are the most powerful country in the world" idea.
the idea that we should have been able to capture Osama Bin Laden and that
OBL WAS at Tora Bora and we let him go?
so we could go to Iraq?
its arrogant and down right STUPID to think that
A) we knew where OBL WAS
B) that we can automatically capture him at will
C) that we would let him go to persue Saddam

He is playing to our lack of humility
If he is not, then that means that he believes it himself.
that the government is an omnipotent power (like a God)
and we can make people do what ever we want to.
that HE can MAKE Germany and France join in a coalition to oust saddam
(reguardless of how corrupt they are)
this is silly and stupid and he believes it?
what arrogance. the scheer willfulness
the high and mighty attitude.
Kerry doesnt want to be President
He wants to be King.
Bush seems to be tempered by experience to know that the president can not just decide some thing and it will be so.
not finding OBL is a disappointment not a defeat.
not finding WMD's is something to rejoice in not curse.
Bush is not the best debater, he gets flustered and mad and does not have the dramatic presence that Kerry does.
The President has been manipulated in to arguing phoney arguments.
He isnt a trial lawer so he doesnt have the courtroom finess like Kerry does.
I think that is the underlieing reason that so many political people do not like GWB
he says no and doesnt do it as nicely as Clinton did.
Kerry (if elected)will be much more malliable.
malliability is not a quality I want in a war time president.

Kerry and Bush both did pretty good tonight
It makes me so aggravated that there are so many mush headed people that think Kerry is worth even concidering as President.

the Muslims are laughing at us right now and hopeing Kerry is going to be elected.
They know that if He wins the presidency

They win the war

10-09-2004, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis

Personally I am glad they didnt find WMD'sthat means he either moved them(probable) or they are still hidden (Possible)
There is to much evidence of WMD's presence for any one to be able to deny they existed at all.

Well lets see...every single investigative body to date has concluded that he had no WMDs, no real program to develop them, and he was not a threat. So until you have some concrete proof that the investigators who were there do not have, you must admit that you are completely wrong. If you have proof, that's another story. But, alas, you don't.

NRAJOE · 10-09-2004, 09:00 PM

Hmmm, you must not of seen the interview on Fox with Saddam's head Nuclear scientist the same day as the debate...all was in place according to him...Saddam just had to say the word....but what does he know? He was only there.....

10-09-2004, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NRAJOE

Hmmm, you must not of seen the interview on Fox with Saddam's head Nuclear scientist the same day as the debate...all was in place according to him...Saddam just had to say the word....but what does he know? He was only there.....

Well since there isn;t one shred of proof about that, and the source is completely unreliable (unless YOU trust Saddam's head nuclear scientist), then I'd have to say that he is full of hot air. Maybe you missed my post where I reminded you that every single investigative body that has been in Iraq has come up with the same results.

If this guy has some evidence to back up his statement, that would be interresting. But i'd be willing to bet any amount of money no evidence will ever be found. I'm sure the guy's motives run deeper that someone who simply wants to "set the record straight". He is probably facing jail time or being given some huge reward for whatever comes out of his mouth.

NRAJOE · 10-09-2004, 09:25 PM

If you say so....

Troy · 10-09-2004, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NRAJOE

Hmmm, you must not of seen the interview on Fox with Saddam's head Nuclear scientist the same day as the debate...all was in place according to him...Saddam just had to say the word....but what does he know? He was only there.....

they have the weapon of mass destruction in custody. i am not so afraid of a bunch of bombs, they are harmless if left alone. i am terrified of the man who WILL use them. forgive my not remembering details, but how many people is Hussain responsible for killing in his ethnic cleansing. what about that cousin or whatever he was, chemical ali. i think that was his name. how many people died at his orders. if they never find WMD or not, they got the guy who WOULD have used them. hussain's sons being killed in that shootout made the world a better place as well. those points alone should speak volumes of bush's campain.

whirlwind · 10-10-2004, 12:14 AM

i could be wrong but i dont think i am,didnt this guy start his 15 minutes of fame by grabbing some young barrel chested soldier and told him to dig up his yard for centrifuge componants he was forced to bury there? id say that lends a bit of credibility to his story. well that plus his credentials.

NRAJOE · 10-10-2004, 12:41 AM

Yeah, but remember we're talking with Lenny here...he doesn't see anything the way NORMAL people do....

Despoiler · 10-10-2004, 12:49 AM

Yeah Lenny, No WMD's in Iraq.
Why don't you tell these children that, oh yeah they are dead. Gee I wonder what killed them, I'll bet it was the US. Since Sadam was a saint.

10-10-2004, 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllenT

Yeah Lenny, No WMD's in Iraq.
Why don't you tell these children that, oh yeah they are dead. Gee I wonder what killed them, I'll bet it was the US. Since Sadam was a saint.

First of all, that was 1988. Second of all, those weapons used had a shelf life that would render them useless today. Thirdly, maybe you have some evidence that all of the inspectors and investigators have missed. I'm sure you'd be a hero to the Bush campaign if you shared the info with them as it would assure his victory on Nov 2. And since you have such a wealth of proof, would you mind sharing a bit with us???

10-08-2004, 11:42 PM	#1
whirlwind Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: oklahoma Posts: 3,730 Trader Rating: (0)	town hall debate... well im rather proud of "W" tonight! he has redeemed himself in my eyes from how he performed on the last debate! of course the dems are crying victory,but no honest man could say that bush didnt clean house tonight! hes back on track FINALLY! __________________ De oppresso liber !

10-09-2004, 12:03 AM	#2
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,585 Trader Rating: (0)	He did a wonderful job of slaming Kerry every chance he could -- did any one notice Kerry's flip flop in the debate tonight regarding Iraq __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

10-09-2004, 08:50 AM	#4
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Trader Rating: (0)	yes, better preformance, same crap. I hope Bush can pull it out. __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

10-09-2004, 08:55 AM	#5
Chris HMFIC Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,834,136 Trader Rating: (0)	I didn't get a chance to see this debate at all! __________________ Rules \| Contributing Members No one has the right to deny my personal safety Respect the Staff!

10-09-2004, 09:33 AM	#6
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,585 Trader Rating: (0)	Chris try CSPAN today __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

10-09-2004, 12:55 AM	#3
Lenny2 Guest Posts: n/a	They both performed much better this time. W seemed far less flustered and more focused and Kerry seemed more charismatic and aggressive toward W. All in all I'd say it was a very engaging debate.

10-09-2004, 10:53 AM	#7
Chris HMFIC Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,834,136 Trader Rating: (0)	Just caught it....same o crap....Kerry had it from the start...then Bush took it going to the end. __________________ Rules \| Contributing Members No one has the right to deny my personal safety Respect the Staff!

10-09-2004, 12:02 PM	#8
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12 Trader Rating: (0)	what debate??? all i saw was a better presentation of the S.O.S. that both sides put out. wanna see somebody get all hot and bothered and start swinging. take the gloves off, get nasty.

10-09-2004, 12:18 PM	#9
whirlwind Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: oklahoma Posts: 3,730 Trader Rating: (0)	well at one point last night i thought "W" was gonna rush the moderator!...and im not ashamed to say,at that very moment...i got wood! __________________ De oppresso liber !

10-09-2004, 07:37 PM	#10
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,876 Trader Rating: (0)	There is no arguing with these people. as I sit here lisening to the endless drivel over the second Debate it goes on and on and on there is nothing that can be said to change the minds of the pro kerry people. they believe in him in an almost reliegious ferver it is crazy when ya think about it. if ya say something silly, enough times it begins to sound reasonable. the "roll back the tax cuts" will help the economy Idea its the stupidest thing I ever heard Decoded it means Raising taxes, will help the economy? Wrong!!! Personally I am glad they didnt find WMD'sthat means he either moved them(probable) or they are still hidden (Possible) There is to much evidence of WMD's presence for any one to be able to deny they existed at all. To me its a dead issue there is enough evidence all ready The dems know this but it is such a huge campagne mantra that they have created................. I cant understand for the life of me why GWB has bought in to this phoney question. WMD's and the lack there of is a phoney argument. theres been plenty of evidence of their existence and we have even recovered IED'sthat where Sarin artillery shells yet GWB wont pierce that phoney ballon of belief that the Dems have artificially made. and they are trying to prove a negative. Hussaien had them (absolutly proven) and he now claims he does not have any. We cant prove they do not have some buried some where. so we are going give back Iraq because we didnt find the stash of WMD's? Thats what Kerry wants to do. __________________ Submitted with respect to all

10-09-2004, 07:39 PM	#11
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,876 Trader Rating: (0)	I could not leave this subject alone Again Ya know, lisening to the replay of the debate it struck me Kerry is playing to our vanity and arrogance. he plays to Americas Ego. its not direct its inferred The "We are the most powerful country in the world" idea. the idea that we should have been able to capture Osama Bin Laden and that OBL WAS at Tora Bora and we let him go? so we could go to Iraq? its arrogant and down right STUPID to think that A) we knew where OBL WAS B) that we can automatically capture him at will C) that we would let him go to persue Saddam He is playing to our lack of humility If he is not, then that means that he believes it himself. that the government is an omnipotent power (like a God) and we can make people do what ever we want to. that HE can MAKE Germany and France join in a coalition to oust saddam (reguardless of how corrupt they are) this is silly and stupid and he believes it? what arrogance. the scheer willfulness the high and mighty attitude. Kerry doesnt want to be President He wants to be King. Bush seems to be tempered by experience to know that the president can not just decide some thing and it will be so. not finding OBL is a disappointment not a defeat. not finding WMD's is something to rejoice in not curse. Bush is not the best debater, he gets flustered and mad and does not have the dramatic presence that Kerry does. The President has been manipulated in to arguing phoney arguments. He isnt a trial lawer so he doesnt have the courtroom finess like Kerry does. I think that is the underlieing reason that so many political people do not like GWB he says no and doesnt do it as nicely as Clinton did. Kerry (if elected)will be much more malliable. malliability is not a quality I want in a war time president. Kerry and Bush both did pretty good tonight It makes me so aggravated that there are so many mush headed people that think Kerry is worth even concidering as President. the Muslims are laughing at us right now and hopeing Kerry is going to be elected. They know that if He wins the presidency They win the war __________________ Submitted with respect to all

10-09-2004, 09:00 PM	#13
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,014 Trader Rating: (0)	Hmmm, you must not of seen the interview on Fox with Saddam's head Nuclear scientist the same day as the debate...all was in place according to him...Saddam just had to say the word....but what does he know? He was only there..... __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

10-09-2004, 09:25 PM	#15
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,014 Trader Rating: (0)	If you say so.... __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

10-10-2004, 12:14 AM	#17
whirlwind Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: oklahoma Posts: 3,730 Trader Rating: (0)	i could be wrong but i dont think i am,didnt this guy start his 15 minutes of fame by grabbing some young barrel chested soldier and told him to dig up his yard for centrifuge componants he was forced to bury there? id say that lends a bit of credibility to his story. well that plus his credentials. __________________ De oppresso liber !

10-10-2004, 12:41 AM	#18
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,014 Trader Rating: (0)	Yeah, but remember we're talking with Lenny here...he doesn't see anything the way NORMAL people do.... __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

10-10-2004, 12:49 AM	#19
Despoiler Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Occupied Territory of California Posts: 2,231 Trader Rating: (0)	Yeah Lenny, No WMD's in Iraq. Why don't you tell these children that, oh yeah they are dead. Gee I wonder what killed them, I'll bet it was the US. Since Sadam was a saint.