Afghan election called a sham and.....

[Rave]

...failure by the Tampa Tribune on a front page article. it seems the ink that was to be applied to the cuticle of the thumb to mark folks who had voted and was supposed to last a month was easily rubbed off!
Wait until after the next election here with the touch screen voting machines,aaaaaiiiiiiieeeeee!

[Dennis]

The Democrats Do not want the afgan election to be legitimate so they will never be accepted by the American liberal media.
No matter what .

See if the Afgan election is concidered legitimate then the War is won there, AND THE WAR IS LEGITAMATE.
The democrats will do anything to keep an American victory from being recognized.
For them to recognize an Americam victory any where in the Gulf would be tanamount to admitting that GWB was right and they where wrong.
They are going to de legitimize the election in Iraq
AND the election in The United States,
only if they win will the political opponents of GWB ever recognize this up coming Election.
Kerry will never concede defeat

Not since Gore Did, and then recinded it, and threw the entire country in to a tailspin.
In that single act Al Gore did more to Damage the American Political system than any one since Richard Nixon.
so
If an election is in dispute
it undermines that next President.

The grafitti and vandalism that Clintons staff had left in the white house when they left it, is unexcusable.
I understand Why GWB let it go,
We all needed To go on,
and get things going again.
That was just an example of how little the Democrats actually care about our nation.
To them there is nothing sacred
there is nothing that they will not sacrafice to get in to office.
To them we mean nothing the country means nothing. It's all just for the power.
There is no higher purpose for them.
It has never been more appearent than now.

I have never feared for the future like I do now.

How can we find our way back to a place that we where All Americans first and Republican or Democrat second?

We need that
now more than ever.

[Rufus Rhastus J]

I can not wait to see the crying and bungling that our new voting machines will cause. I hope Bush is not the one to sufer as a result. According to the paper, the problems still exist and have not been corrected....the voters don't feel assured. Duh!

[PAPA G]

i think we will see several Florida like contentions this time around.

[Big Dog]

Already, the local voting officials here in Tallytown are calling for folks to uses the mail-in voting to "insure that your vote is counted". This is inexcusable. The danged DemLibs insisted on the revised voting system and the new machines, now they try to call into question those very same machines they insisted we switch to! We can't win - the bastages keep changing the rules of the game as they go, to favor themselves.

[BattleRifleG3]

I'm starting to think that voting scandals like this and our last election are the beginning of the fall of democracy, representative like ours or direct like elsewhere. Think about it, if people don't believe leaders are fairly elected, elections won't mean squat.

[Rufus Rhastus J]

Yup, "vote scam" has been a continueing problem made worse by the dems and those new voting machines. I am concerned for the honesty of elections for many moons, this only makes a sorry situation that much worse.

[Oxford]

There must be many reasons for not getting the vote count accurate. With the technology of computers it should be easy to get the job done accurately. Yet, with many people being afraid of computers, with written tab type talleys not being punched all the same, with all sorts of other kinds of ways to miscount, if they get counted at all, it's no wonder citizens are skeptical about the accuracy of the upcoming election.

And...if we (U.S.A.) can't get it right how can we possibly expect Afghanistan's to do any better? This should be an easy thing to do but election officials seem to screw up any system they use.

[Rave]

And some folks thought it was a joke when I first brought these problems up.
"Use a mail in vote so your vote will be counted",we are in for hard times ahead.

[Oxford]

Here's an idea on how to "fix" the election. :right:

http://wearabledissent.com/101/floridaballot.html

[Despoiler]

Originally Posted by BattleRifleG3

I'm starting to think that voting scandals like this and our last election are the beginning of the fall of democracy, representative like ours or direct like elsewhere. Think about it, if people don't believe leaders are fairly elected, elections won't mean squat.

I have also been thinking along these lines, but I was hoping that for the good of the country the democrats wouldn't try and repeat that crap from 2000. As we get closer to the election, I fear that they don't care about anything except winning even if it brings down our nation.

[Dennis]

As I have been saying for a long time now.
This is for All the marbles this time.

nobody knows, and right now they dont care.

If the chit heads attack here DURING the election
blow something up or some how do something to put the election in doubt.

it would be bad.........................
of course thats exactly what the Democrats want
if they can not win, no one can.
would we, could we have a civil, WAR?
over perscription drug benafits for the elderly?
raising taxes on the top 2 percent of the tax bracket?
Want to kill your neighbor over stem cell reasearch?
why do the Democrats want to destroy our nation ?
Because they have been tought to
all the Anti American stuff over the last decades has borne fruit.
ever since November 22, 1963 it has been obvious that the US government has been a power un to them selves.
all the X files shows and conspiricy theory movies and all that stuff
every one believes it
WACO
and Ruby ridge and all sorts of little cuts have completly undermined the majoritys belief in our nation.
So if we stop believing in America, then what?
if we can no longer believe that our elections are real whats the point?
our belief in our government is what gives our government the ability to work.
just like in Iraq they must believe in their government and that it is there for them.
they have never had that for many many years there in Iraq.
and we seem to be loosing it here.
its weird and kinda silly
there are so many that believe that the government is an omnipotent power as long as their party are in power.
and when the other party is in power the government becomes like a horrible demon.
what has caused this type of dedication? to the democrats?
The difference seems to me to be that no matter what the democrats say or how outlandish their claims are there is nothing that will cause their base to leave them.
where in the republicans every one seems to have logical arguments and supporters would not accept illogical arguments.
there is not anything supported by just emotion.
some of the repub planks in their platform are based on moral positions.
I dont see the same sillyness as with the democrats.
another Difference that i see is that if the Repiblicans are defeated they will accept it and do what ever is necessary for the good of the nation.

For the good of the Nation.
I will set aside my personal desires
For the good of the Nation
I would accept the decisions of the president, That I dont agree with.
For the good of the Nation
I would support War to defend our people and interests here and overseas.
I find that the Democrats will not do any of these things.
I know there are some that will but the democratic leadership
Will not
after all these years how could anyone expect him to.

[Rufus Rhastus J]

Dennis, well thought out response. The one redeeming point I find is that I am not the only person who distrusts the gumint. Most people, I think, are too stupid to beleive the vote is fixed. going to this electronic system, then, pointing out how easy it is to fix these things to do whatever you want, tells me, they not only plan to do as they say they but, we should expect it!