10-12-2004, 06:15 AM
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| Senior Member   | Woman Upset With Screener's Request To Feel Her Breasts Im gona post the quoat that I think is messed up...yes we need more security....but we have x-ray mechines and other methouds other than requireing people to get felt up by TSA folks....this quoat: "Bob Kapp, customer service manager for the TSA in Denver, said that to conduct a thorough pat-down search of women, "it does require going beneath, between and above the breasts."" Now I would not approve of anyone (male or female) feeling up my wife or daughters like this....nor can I imagin anyone finding this appropreate....there are other ways..x-rays...bomb detectors...things like that. Woman Upset With Screener's Request To Feel Her Breasts Kingsford Drives Home Rather Than Submit To Airport Search POSTED: 8:55 am PDT October 11, 2004 UPDATED: 3:15 pm PDT October 11, 2004 SAN DIEGO -- A woman said she drove home from Denver rather than submit to what she viewed as an intrusive search by airport security screeners. Ava Kingsford, 36, of San Diego said she was flagged down for a pat-down search at Denver International Airport last month as she prepared to board a flight home with her 3-month-old son. Kingsford objected when a female screener with the Transportation Security Administration told her, "I'm going to feel your breasts now." "She was patting me down, and frisking me, and basically covering all parts of my body, my legs, and wanding me with the security wand. And when I thought she had completed her search, she looks at me and said, 'I'm going to be feeling your breasts now,'" Kingsford said. "I was stunned, and I said, 'I beg your pardon?!'" Kingsford said when she told the screener that she was uncomfortable with it, more security agents and police officers arrived. They told her that she couldn't board her flight without submitting to the final step of the search. "I was shaking, I was sobbing. I couldn't believe that this was happening to me. It was surreal. It was like out of a movie, with these guys yelling at me, telling me that, yes, she has to feel my breasts or I'm not getting on my airplane," Kingsford said. They took her to a private area to continue the search, but she said she was still uncomfortable with them touching her breasts so she tugged down her shirt to show them that she wasn't hiding anything. "And then they said, 'That's it. We're not going to complete the search and you're not boarding your plane,'" Kingsford said. "They escorted us out and said they didn't care how we got home, it wasn't their problem." She and her fiance ended up renting a car for the 15-hour drive home. The Transportation Security Administration said its screeners did nothing wrong. The agency announced extra security measures last month in the wake of the mid-air bombing of two Russian jetliners. Authorities believe two women smuggled explosives onto the aircraft, possibly in "torso packs" underneath their clothing. Bob Kapp, customer service manager for the TSA in Denver, said that to conduct a thorough pat-down search of women, "it does require going beneath, between and above the breasts." Kapp said a few people have been a little bit alarmed by the procedure. But he called it "a sign of the times" that is probably here to stay. Kingsford said she's anxious about boarding another flight any time soon. "I don't see how they can get away with feeling women's breasts. I don't see how they can say it's part of their new security policy. It's an infringement, a violation, in my opinion. It's just wrong," Kingsford said. Kingsford said she had nothing to hide, and the TSA agents could plainly see that. "I was wearing a pretty form-fitting tank top. There's nothing really to be hiding. You could see my figure. I didn't have any packs. She had patted down my torso. She had completed the torso pat down and wanded me with a security wand but some reason she said she wanted to see my breasts," Kingsford said. "It was uncomfortable and I felt violated. And the way we were treated when I didn't concede was like I was a criminal. It was an awful experience," she said. Copyright 2004 by 10News.com. The Associated Press contributed to this report. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. |
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10-12-2004, 06:38 AM
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 This is what sheeple wanted and this is what they get. Next they'll want to feel "other parts" :insane:  | |
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10-12-2004, 07:56 AM
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| Senior Member ![Sniper[MI]'s Avatar](http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/customavatars/avatar690_1.gif){kind=avatar} | Well At least they didn't make her drink her breast milk.....like that one lady a few months back. Maybe the lady security guard plays for both teams if you know what I mean?  Seriously though, an x-ray is more appropriate in this case, there are many more relaible ways to check these things out instead of coping a feel....
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10-12-2004, 09:09 AM
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| Super Moderator   | Last I checked the terrorists were muslim not americans, Thousands Standing Around should not be doing this they should be examining ID's and if you are muslim or carry a mulsim name then you are automatically subject to search not the rest of the public -- this is just plain stupid if they want to make the airlines safer all they have to do is arm all passengers - if you bring your own gun they supply the frangible ammo.
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10-12-2004, 09:11 AM
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| Moderator   | Whirlwind, it's a boring thankless job - "been there, done that".  Thank goodness we never had to go that far. Heck with flying, I'll drive from now on. 
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10-12-2004, 11:30 AM
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Trader Rating: (0) | yup, let's not be cruel and unfair.... Quote:
 Let's abuse Americans and avoid the real threats. Never mind that the rag head is the problem.....
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10-12-2004, 08:08 PM
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Trader Rating: (0) | from the sound of this thread, things have gotten much worse than the last time I flew. it only took a few minutes and that was easy. putting their hands on people seems a bit too much.
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10-13-2004, 12:11 AM
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| Senior Member | They are not taking this seriously they are not taking the threat seroiusly its degenerated in to a tra la la la thing oh lets feel up da chicks yea! OTOH the woman in question and the screener didnt handle that situation very well either. the root of the problem is no one wanted to make a judgment call. the woman wanted to be treated special and the screener supervisor didnt have the power or imagination to find a way to look at the search as adequate. it was a pissing contest and tit lady lost. And that is what makes her so angry so many people want, no,they require! that they be the exception to the rule. No matter what the rule is or what the situation is. when you couple that with a screener that does not have the courage or imagination to make the horrendous leap of judgement to conclude that even though the woman in question is being an idiot !!!!!y little pill she is Not a terrorist........ so many security people are not encouraged to use their personal judgment in any kind of situation. so they dont. Remember the bombing of the olympics in Atlanta a few years back? there was not any obvious culprit and a security guard (a lowly un trained underpaid renta cop) had found the un attended package had called for help, moved people away from it, and the thing exploded. the guy was blamed as the bomber and was persued for months hounded by the FBI and finally after a lawsuit he was "let go" from their 24 hr surveilence. literally millions of dollars where spent trying to prove that the young security guy was the bomber and had done the whole thing to make himself look like a hero. years later I read that documents about planning the Atlanta bombing had been recovered, in Afganistan at a captured al quedia base. these incedents illistrate how the trend in modern times is to dodge responsibility, and find the easiest quickest most convient solution to a question reguardless of how obvious the solution is. No one wants to have to think about anything any more lest their decision be found to be wrong or just percieved to be wrong. our security personell are so easily burned that they are paralyzed with fear of being wrong. If the security screener had been wrong about tit lady and she had a secret "tit weapon" and gotten on to the airplane and used that "tit weapon" them screener would have gotten in to big trouble...... Its the culture of blame that keeps us from being able to make any real progress in securing the airports.
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