Old 12-10-2004, 03:44 PM   #1
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Just WHAT is a Carbine?

I'm a beginner shooter in Pistol and rifle, with a lot of skeet and Clay experience in shotguns. One question I've had in the back of my mind is What is the definition of Carbine? Is it that it's magazine fed, or a semi-auto? i don't think either answer fits, so i put it out to the experts.

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Old 12-10-2004, 04:16 PM   #2
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Carbines are generally shorter and sometimes fire less powerful ammo.

In 1763, a carbine was 75 caliber and had a 30" barrel. In the late 19th century, a carbine fired a shorter version of the 45-70, a 45-55. In WWII, the M1 carbine fired a short 30 caliber round while the main service rifles fired the full power 30-06. In that time period, the SKS was called a carbine. In our current military, the 20" M16 is called a rifle, and a 14-16" is a carbine, both firing the same intermediate 223 round.
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Old 12-10-2004, 04:24 PM   #3
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Thank's for the info. Are you a historian with a gun Fetish? just curious....
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Old 12-10-2004, 04:29 PM   #4
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Definitions of carbine on the Web:

light automatic rifle
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn


A rifle with a relatively short barrel. Any rifle or carbine with a barrel less than 16" long must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Shotguns with barrels less than 18" long fall into the same category.
www.nraila.org/FirearmsGlossary.asp


a short-barreled rifle; Hanley's weapon of choice. A .30 caliber semi-automatic shoulder weapon, gas-operated with effective range up to 200 yards. Length is 36 inches, barrel 18 inches. A carbine weighs five pounds including magazine and sling. (More info and photo.)
http://www.jodavidsmeyer.com/combat/.../glossary.html


A short-barreled rifle.
www.smallarmsresearch.org/glossary.html


A rifle with a relatively short barrel. Any rifle or carbine with a barrel less than 16" long must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Shotguns with barrels less than 18" long fall into the same category.
www.gunsafetycourse.com/glossary.htm


Short barrelled rifle designed for CQB
www.taskforceechelon.com/database/glossary.htm


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Old 12-10-2004, 04:38 PM   #5
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I saw those, but they just didn't give me what I wanted to know. But As usual BRG# came through.

Say, Joe, when are we going to see something new outa hi-point? The ones that are out are great, but I was hoping they might deliver a 1911.
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Old 12-10-2004, 04:40 PM   #6
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Hi-Point? Snicker,snicker, guffaw!
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Old 12-10-2004, 04:44 PM   #7
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Now, joe, what would have against them? I heard you were the head designer and all...

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If I were the head designer, they would at least have metal 1911 type triggers on them!!!!

I've come real close....3 gunshows ago I could of got a black carbine for $100 OTD! Guy said he'd had it for 2 years in his gunshop and was tired of looking at the da mn thing! Went back 4 times to look at it...decided what the hell on the 5th time and it was gone!

Last gun show could of gotten the .380 pistol with the compensator for $99 plus tax! Another 4 times, 5th time went back, it was gone...just can't get past them plastic triggers!!!!
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Old 12-10-2004, 04:59 PM   #9
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They don't feel plastic to me, more likely composite, like a lot of frames.
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Old 12-11-2004, 03:13 AM   #10
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my definition is a carbine is a short rifle, generally having a barrel 20" or shorter.
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Old 12-11-2004, 09:24 AM   #11
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carbines are shorter barreled longarms. the carbine originally was used by the cavalry as it was easier to carry, unsling and fire from horseback than a rifle. In military use they usaully used the same ammo as the infantry rifles. Most winchester 94's were carbines but you could get the longer barreled rifle version, I have a wonderful 94 .45LC rifle but man is it heavy.
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Old 12-12-2004, 10:33 PM   #12
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Kinda like the M1 Garand and the M1 Carbine. Same Caliber but the Carbine was shorter and lighter.
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Old 12-13-2004, 11:54 AM   #13
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You're close Texas, the garand and the carbine are the same caliber but not the same cartridge, the garand uses the 30.06 round while the 30 carbine is a super hot pistol sized cartridge.
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There's a company (the name escapes my mind), that sells a conversion from 1911, glocks and some other pistols to carbine, the slide is replaced with some kind of top receiver with bbl and stock.

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Old 12-13-2004, 07:50 PM   #15
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That carbine conversion is called Mec-Tec. I've heard nothing but good about it, though it is a bit expensive. If I were doing that, I'd go the classic route of just installing a 16" barrel and shoulder stock.
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