[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by troylaplante

Muhammad declared Jesus to be a prophet. By definition, a prophet speaks the truth of God. Jesus declared "I am the way, the truth, and the life. Nobody comes to the father except by me." (John 14:6) Either Muhammad was wrong in saying the Jesus was a prophet, therefore making himself a false prophet; or Jesus was correct and Muhammad was wrong in saying that Islam is the truth. Either way, Muhammad was a false prophet and Islam is a false religion.

...that I tried to point out in a joking way earlier: you're assuming that the Muslim version of Jesus, His life and what He said squares with the Christian version. And that simply isn't so. Muslims don't even believe He was crucified; according to a Jordanian friend of mine they believe He was raised alive to "sit at the right hand of God," and will return alive as a man again.

[troylaplante]

Quote:       Originally Posted by troy2000

several translations of a disjointed collection of ancient manuscripts that don't even agree with each other, much less with the world around us and under our feet.

You are obviously ignorant about which you criticize. Spoken like a true theological illiterate, and yet you feel qualified to criticize, condemn, and complain.

Quote:       Originally Posted by The theological wizard

And I didn't realize that you had also personally researched the Koran

Obviously. It is wise to study the ways of one's adversary.

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and verified that every word in it attributed to Muhammed was said by him verbatim.

Again, spoken like a true theological illiterate. You have obvioulsy never read nor researched.

Quote:       Originally Posted by The consumate critic

Whenever did you find the time, on top of becoming a world-renowned authority on life, religion, science and the universe in general?

It just takes time and the willingness to learn. Funny how your sarcasm shows your hypocrisy to an even greater degree.

Quote:       Originally Posted by The blind man

I see no hypocrisy in what I believe.

Which is the very definition of hypocrisy, considering your criticism. You harshly criticize, provoke, argue, and belittle anyone who disagrees with your atheistic, Darwinian bent. You even get belligerent with it, to the point of getting banned from this site for a period of time. Atheism and evolution are RELIGIOUS beliefs. Evolution is a theory that takes much more faith than I have in order to believe it. It also takes a lot more imagination than creationism. You claim it explains origins of species. Accompanied with it is a vehement belief towards the existence or lack thereof of a God. Ergo, it is and always has been a religious belief. You espouse it like Jerry Falwell does his beliefs, although contrarian (I am not necessarily a Falwell supporter, just an example that came to mind and one that I know atheists love to hate). You even say "I take it pretty much on faith that the world wasn't created, and isn't sustained, by supernatural means." That in itself and by definition, is a religious belief. You condemn all others who believe otherwise. Therefore, you are extremely hypocritical in your criticism of others, as you have done. If you can't see that, then you are blind and intellectually dishonest.

Quote:       Originally Posted by The doubter

The difference between my faith and yours is that I don't have to bury, deny or twist the physical evidence of the world around me to support mine.

Again, spoken like a blind adherent to an almost occultic doctrine. Yes, you DO have to twist and bury evidence, deny the existence of contrarian points, and deny the multitudes of valid, educated, and scientific scholars (the ones you claim don't exist yet I sent you a long list of only a small fraction of them, that you refused to go through). An evolutionist can find a tooth from an extinct pig and claim it is scientific proof of an entire race of subhumanoids. Again, better imagination than any creationist.

Quote:       Originally Posted by the one who refuses to take the time to look

I don't have to search through thousands of reputable scientists until I find a tiny handful who agree with me

And NEITHER DO I, as I have proven time and time again. Just because you refuse to either look or investigate does not mean they are not out there. You are just plain inaccurate in your assertion that there are only a handful. It is a dishonest claim that is perpetrated by the ignorant.

Quote:       Originally Posted by Mr. Denial

I don't believe everyone who disagrees with me is a moron

Then why treat them that way?

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I'm not that arrogant.

You just disproved that...again.

[troylaplante]

Quote:       Originally Posted by troy2000

you're assuming that the Muslim version of Jesus, His life and what He said squares with the Christian version.

Ah, no I am not assuming any such thing. I have had that very discussion with several Muslims in the past. I know full well what they believe on the topic. I have read pretty extensively on their beliefs. You assume that I assumed.

That is one reason why you will not find in my post anything about the death or resurrection of Jesus, only about the fact that he is deemed a prophet in Islam. Therefore with something as simple as logic, just ONE tiny point can offer an apologetics argument without a disputation. This simple concept is often very effective in dealing with Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses during a theological discussion.

[troy2000]

Look up "religion."

While you're at it, look up "illiterate." Oh--and "multitudes," as in "multitudes(?)" of scientists and scholars.

Every belief system is not a religion. And your insistence on casting science as simply another religion competing with yours makes it impossible to have any kind of serious discussion.

Don't get me wrong, though. I'm not knocking the entertainment value of setting you off. I just doubt the intellectual usefulness of it.

[troy2000]

I liked that little progression of user names you laid on me in your last post. You worked way hard on that, dude. And I want you to know I appreciate it.

[Shaun]

What have we told you Troy 2000 about personal attacks I am closing the thread.