Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths,
who explained each of their belief systems. I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The Imam gave a great presentation of
the basics of Islam, complete with a video. After the presentations, time
was provided for questions and answers. When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked: "Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I
understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy
jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an
infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place
in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an
infidel?" There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, "Non-believers!" I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill
everyone who is not of your faith so they can go to Heaven. Is that
correct?" The _expression on his face changed from one of
authority and command to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He sheepishly replied, "Yes." I then stated, "Well sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith, or Dr. Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to Heaven!" The Imam was speechless. I continued, "I also have a problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me. Let me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to kill me in order to go to Heaven, or my Jesus, who tells me to love you because I am going to Heaven
and He wants you to be with me?" You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame. Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the 'Diversification' training seminar were not happy
with Rick's way of dealing with the Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslim's beliefs. I think everyone in the US should be required to
read this, but with the liberal justice system, liberal media, and the ACLU,
there is no way this will be widely publicized.
This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well known leader in prison ministry.
Makes one wonder, eh?
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Too bad the followers of both drink blood. Sorry charlie, but the last terrrorist to attack my state and kill "infidels" was a christian. God of the Bible did command his followers to kill homosexuals and adulterous women, so Eric Rudolph was justified by him to blow up gay bars and abortion clinics. And the president's party's position is that abortion is murder, so I guess they must justify it too.
That is why I keep automatics so handy. That bomb went off less than 100 miles from my home, not in some Yankee haven I could care less about anyway.
So true, noone ever wants to see the faults of their own religous leaders.
Its so sad, especially since all these religions differ very little, and so do their followers (violent).
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Actually, i think it more of a shame that people cannot see that some things, even teachings from thier religion, are just plain wrong. Most children know the difference of right from wrong at a very early age. they still do things they know are wrong but, are aware thier actions are wrong. We, as adults, dispite what religion we may hold, know that murder is wrong! And, we have the duty to do that which we know is right and to resist doing wrong/evil. Just because mohammid(sp.?) says we should do something does not mean we should. If the act is evil/wrong, then we know that. One's religion is not a good enough excuse to kill others simply because they are not of the same faith.
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Too bad the followers of both drink blood. Sorry charlie, but the last terrrorist to attack my state and kill "infidels" was a christian. God of the Bible did command his followers to kill homosexuals and adulterous women, so Eric Rudolph was justified by him to blow up gay bars and abortion clinics. And the president's party's position is that abortion is murder, so I guess they must justify it too.
That is why I keep automatics so handy. That bomb went off less than 100 miles from my home, not in some Yankee haven I could care less about anyway.
The Bible in no way condones killing someone because of homosexuality. The Bible clearly states that all sin except suicide is equall. So If God were to command his followers to kill homosexuals, he would be condeming his entire flock, since all sins are equall because all have sinned. Yes Sodom and Gomorah were destroyed, yes there were homosexuals there, but thats not why they were destroyed. The met their end because Lot could not find 5 believers other than his family in the whole of the two towns.
The Bible in no way condones killing someone because of homosexuality. The Bible clearly states that all sin except suicide is equall. So If God were to command his followers to kill homosexuals, he would be condeming his entire flock, since all sins are equall because all have sinned. Yes Sodom and Gomorah were destroyed, yes there were homosexuals there, but thats not why they were destroyed. The met their end because Lot could not find 5 believers other than his family in the whole of the two towns.
Actually in Judges it says that if a man lies with another man he is to be stoned.
Also, after Moses recieved the ten commandments, he returned to find his followers had made a Golden Calf. They had not yet heard the rules, but they were punished by being made to wander the desert for 40 years.
Later, they come to Jordan, Moses dies, they cross over. There are already people there, in Canaan. God, contrary to his rule, THOU SHALL NOT KILL, orders the Israelites to kill them all. I guess his fire from heaven, Angel of Death, etc was busy or something. Anyway, they don't kill ALL of them, they keep some for slaves and wives and stuff. God punishes them by sending them back to wander the same desert for the same time! God is such a flip- flopper!
The bible also says to kill adulterous women, children who curse their parents, and people who work on Sunday.
If your argument is that when Jesus came, his New Covenant made all those old laws no longer applicable, then you might have a point. Too bad most Christians don't follow the teachins of Jesus. But if you are saying that God of the Bible never ordered anyone to kill anyone, you don't have a leg to stand on, because obviously he has done just that, many times.
BTW, if you think abortion is murder, and you don't support Eric Rudolph, I think you are no better than the "Good Germans" who smelled Dachau and stood by. I know that if I honestly thought 900,000 babies a year were being butchered I didn't try to stop it, I'd have to cut open my stomach out of shame.
Some of us Christians have also forgotten the lessons of the Crusades and The Spanish Inquisition. No need to dwell on the past, lets brighten the future by showing others how to act, not telling them.
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Apollyon67,
good point, the past is there to learn from. we are lost if we spend too much time dwelling on it. i agree that the best examples are made by setting them for others to see. if we are good strong leaders setting the examples we will have a brighter future.
The Bible clearly states that all sin except suicide is equall.
You keep saying that, and twice I have shown you that is an inaccurate statement. Please show ME where that is in the Bible and I will believe it. You are not going to find it in the book.
The "IMAN" means "to have faith to god". and we accepted Jesus as ALLAH's prophet. Just like Mohammet.
Muhammad declared Jesus to be a prophet. By definition, a prophet speaks the truth of God. Jesus declared "I am the way, the truth, and the life. Nobody comes to the father except by me." (John 14:6) Either Muhammad was wrong in saying the Jesus was a prophet, therefore making himself a false prophet; or Jesus was correct and Muhammad was wrong in saying that Islam is the truth. Either way, Muhammad was a false prophet and Islam is a false religion.
As an example,a homo act is an abomination,it doesn't get much worse than that,you don't pass go,collect $200.00,you go straight to your final reward,and I don't 'spect that it will be pleasent.
Most sins seem to be referred to as sins,not abominations,it doesn't sound like they are all equal,but then again,that's just my opinion.
Muhammad declared Jesus to be a prophet. By definition, a prophet speaks the truth of God. Jesus declared "I am the way, the truth, and the life. Nobody comes to the father except by me." (John 14:6) Either Muhammad was wrong in saying the Jesus was a prophet, therefore making himself a false prophet; or Jesus was correct and Muhammad was wrong in saying that Islam is the truth. Either way, Muhammad was a false prophet and Islam is a false religion.
Or Muhammed was misquoted?
I love these religious discussions: "I have the absolute truth on my side, so you're wrong by definition." "No, I have the absolute truth on MY side, so YOU'RE wrong by definition." "God will get you for being wrong, no matter how sincere you are" "No, God will get YOU for...etc."
As if you are any different. Your religion is evolution and anyone who disagrees with you is a moron, apparently.
And no, the concept of Muhammed being misquoted is a non issue. Have you ever picked up and read any of the Koran or even done any research on the topic? If you had, you would not have posed "or Muhammed was misquoted?"
As if you are any different. Your religion is evolution and anyone who disagrees with you is a moron, apparently.
And no, the concept of Muhammed being misquoted is a non issue. Have you ever picked up and read any of the Koran or even done any research on the topic? If you had, you would not have posed "or Muhammed was misquoted?"
I find your criticism extremely hypocritical.
...for anyone who disagrees with your interpretation of several translations of a disjointed collection of ancient manuscripts that don't even agree with each other, much less with the world around us and under our feet.
And I didn't realize that you had also personally researched the Koran, and verified that every word in it attributed to Muhammed was said by him verbatim. You never cease to amaze me, laplante. Whenever did you find the time, on top of becoming a world-renowned authority on life, religion, science and the universe in general?
I see no hypocrisy in what I believe. I take it pretty much on faith that the world wasn't created, and isn't sustained, by supernatural means. Therefore, we're free to look for natural causes instead of simply saying, "because God willed it that way." I'm flexible on the details, but I think I have the broad picture right.
To me, two religions arguing are about as relevent as a debate between a Big Bang advocate and a proponent of a steady-state universe would be to you.
The difference between my faith and yours is that I don't have to bury, deny or twist the physical evidence of the world around me to support mine. I don't have to search through thousands of reputable scientists until I find a tiny handful who agree with me, then brand the vast majority that's left as a pack of fools, liars and conspirators.
I don't believe everyone who disagrees with me is a moron, although some of them are definitely semi-educated fools. And I don't believe everyone who disagrees with me is going to H***, either. I'm not that arrogant.
It's a bogus story to begin with 
Or maybe Jesus was misquoted? 
Whereas you, of course, have the utmost respect 
