$1,000 Speeding Tickets Proposed For Boulder

Doglips · 12-23-2004, 12:06 PM

Id love to get a % of the rada detector sales in this area

$1,000 Speeding Tickets Proposed For Boulder
City Hopes Hefty Fines Will Make Motorists Slow Down

POSTED: 10:17 am MST December 22, 2004

Getting caught speeding Boulder, Colo., could cost you big time, if the City Council's plan to increase traffic fines gets final approval.

If you're caught speeding 4 to 19 mph over the posted speed limit, you'll pay $500 and if you are speeding at 20 mph or more over the posted speed limit, you'll be slapped with a $1,000 ticket.

The current rates, which haven't been increased since 1982, are $100 and $300 respectively.

Tickets for street racing or eluding police would jump from $300 to $1,000 under the proposal that is expected to get preliminary approval Wednesday night.

City officials said the hefty fines will give judges more bargaining power when they accept plea bargains and they hope will make motorists think twice before breaking the law.

Copyright 2004 by TheDenverChannel.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

practical · 12-23-2004, 12:32 PM

Well, I know where the Rocky Mountain MR2 Owners Club will not be going during meets anymore. I bet it cuts down on speeding there though.

jerry · 12-23-2004, 12:36 PM

I got a B.S. ticket the other day. Well, I was speeding, just crappy circumstances. This is the first Iv'e had in over 10 years & I drive 50K~60K every year.

I was on a 2 lane highway and passed a grain truck. No traffic comming the opposite way. Well I know truckers hate people lolly gagging around while passing, so I get it done. He clocked me just after I got around the guy. I wasn't using brakes to slow back down to 60. Another thing truckers hate, people getting in front of them and hitting the brakes. In a nut shell 73 mph cost me $75.00. Oh well, no renewal sticker on the back of the license any longer

I pitty the fool who has to pay $500 under similar circumstances.

Dennis · 12-25-2004, 02:17 AM

that is pure BS they are doing it for the money it's greed not speeding we are talking about.
500.00 dollar speeding ticket.........
what horse chit

lefty o · 12-25-2004, 03:11 AM

with fines like that, those cops will be spending alot of time in court over contested tickets.

Big Dog · 12-25-2004, 06:52 AM

Wait til one of the City Councilmen's wives gets nailed - they'll back off on it real quick.

:insane: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

G Hollingsworth · 12-25-2004, 06:56 AM

City officials? Must feel they need to justify what they do, so lets line up and spread you cheeks.

Oxford · 12-25-2004, 09:54 AM

Bet the city officials get off scott free when they're stopped by LEO. :nod:
But on second thought...I know there's plenty of LEO's who would even give their mothers, or Santa Clause, a ticket if they got caught speeding.

Big Dog · 12-25-2004, 10:39 AM

Well, down here the TPD would probably look the other way, the LCSD might give 'em a pass too - but those fine lads in the Florida Highway Patrol would nail their butts to the courthouse wall!

Gyrene · 12-25-2004, 03:58 PM

The Politicos have convinced the public for years that speeding causes accidents and other ills. The reality is, speeding only increases the severity of an accident. The real causes of accidents are found in inattentive driving, negligent driving, inexperienced drivers, and reckless driving. Of course drunken driving is one of the causes, too, but the getting drunk was a reckless/inattentive/negligent effort on the part of the drunk!

If speeding was the cause of accidents, we would read of daily incidents all over Germany, of really serious accidents. They have no more accidents per capita than we do, and quite likely fewer accidents. When the traffic is moving at speeds from around 100 kph (62.5 mph) to speeds upward of 260 kph (above 155 mph), and these vehicles are passing the slower vehicles less than 8 feet between them, on 2 lane autobahns (most are only 2 lanes each way), if speed was the cause, you would see accidents all of the time, and everywhere there is an autobahn!

In the over 35,000 miles I have driven on those autobahns, most of the time I cruised at speeds of 225 kph (125 mph) or higher, and I have seen the end result of only 4 accidents, in all of those miles, non-fatal except for one when an American was thrown from his vehicle (he was not wearing his seat belt). To contrast that with slower speeds in Germany, I have seen probably 20 accidents where the speed limits were between 20 kph (about 13 mph) and 40 kph (about 38 mph), traffic in all cases was at or about the speed limit, and in 7 of those accidents there were fatalities.

So just like the Anti Gun Politicos, the Anti Speed Politicos are attacking every driver, and not just those who are involved in accidents. The state of mind is the cause of the crash, whether it is intentional, or accidental, just like with firearms!

Their claim that the cities and other jurisdictions don't make money on traffic citations doesn't wash. I have seen the lines waiting to go into the traffic courts here in the San Francisco Bay Area, and when there are hundreds of people paying fines of $100.00 to $1,000.00 each day, they have to be making money. Running a red light (where it is the LEOs' word against yours) it will cost you at least $331.00 for the first offense, and I know one person who was fined $1,000.00 for his first offense and the commissioner (not Judge) ignored 5 witnesses who were present, and took the word of a lying LEO!

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NorCalAshnjikov · 12-26-2004, 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gyrene

The Politicos have convinced the public for years that speeding causes accidents and other ills. The reality is, speeding only increases the severity of an accident.

You're driving a car going 80MPH in a 25MPH zone,
when 50 feet ahead you spot a loaded 4-way stop
with pedestrains crossing the street.
You're saying that speeding isn't going to cause and accident or kill anyone?
Don't be stupid.

Big Dog · 12-26-2004, 07:32 AM

Well, certainly there are situations where too much speed is a major factor, but I think what Gyrene means is that the lack of simple common sense is the biggest single factor. I've seen cases where an accident happened due to insufficient speed - a stupid driver poking along, others come on him (or her) over a hill and there the idiot is in their way! Crunch.
The biggest single problem is that Americans, by and large, aren't trained to drive the way they are in Europe. We show the kids a couple films, let 'em idle around a parking lot, give 'em their license and strap them into two tons of steel. It's a recipe for disaster - many thousands die each year from pure stupidity. They overdrive their skill, they don't pay attention to their surroundings. I cringe when I see the "rolling highway cosmetologists" doing their face and hair, or a fool with the cell phone clapped to his ear, ranting into it oblivious to the task of driving.
On the one hand, Americans enjoy the freedom of owning and driving cars like no other nation on earth, but on the other hand we pay dearly for that priveledge.

Gyrene · 12-26-2004, 08:52 AM

NorCalAshnjikov - I believe that the description you provided fits one of the causes I described as real causes of accidents (either negligent or reckless driving).

"The real causes of accidents are found in inattentive driving, negligent driving, inexperienced drivers, and reckless driving. Of course drunken driving is one of the causes, too, but the getting drunk was a reckless/inattentive/negligent effort on the part of the drunk!"

The likelihood of anyone with common sense to be driving 80 mph in a 25 mph zone is near zero. However, driving at 30 or 35 in a 25 mph zone is relatively safe. I personally observed an accident that was caused by a negligent or reckless driver who ran a 4 way stop at 75 mph. The driver of the other car was ejected (before seatbelts were required), and her legs knocked my legs out from under me, as her face hit the curb and the impact killed her. The guilty driver had just had a breakup argument with his girlfriend, and took it out on his car and those around him. He was convicted of manslaughter.

The US Department of Transportation performed a study in the early 1990's where they proved that the posted speed limits are deliberately set at least 10 mph slower than is considered safe by the authorities who set the limit. In part because they figure that 80% or the drivers will observe the speed limit, and the other 20% will get tickets providing unbudgeted revenue for the jurisdiction that regulates the speed limit.

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Doglips · 12-26-2004, 10:19 AM

Lets face it we got so many things in cars these days..dagn near need a systems officer to operate them while you drive...cell phones, DVD (movie) players...GPS..North Star...food..kids...dogs/cats...reading...women putting on makeup...guys tieing ties...its like driveing is something people do when they run out of other stuff to do in their car.

12-23-2004, 12:06 PM	#1
Doglips Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cocoa Florida Posts: 9,089	$1,000 Speeding Tickets Proposed For Boulder Id love to get a % of the rada detector sales in this area $1,000 Speeding Tickets Proposed For Boulder City Hopes Hefty Fines Will Make Motorists Slow Down POSTED: 10:17 am MST December 22, 2004 Getting caught speeding Boulder, Colo., could cost you big time, if the City Council's plan to increase traffic fines gets final approval. If you're caught speeding 4 to 19 mph over the posted speed limit, you'll pay $500 and if you are speeding at 20 mph or more over the posted speed limit, you'll be slapped with a $1,000 ticket. The current rates, which haven't been increased since 1982, are $100 and $300 respectively. Tickets for street racing or eluding police would jump from $300 to $1,000 under the proposal that is expected to get preliminary approval Wednesday night. City officials said the hefty fines will give judges more bargaining power when they accept plea bargains and they hope will make motorists think twice before breaking the law. Copyright 2004 by TheDenverChannel.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

12-23-2004, 12:32 PM	#2
practical Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Baton Rouge, LA/Casper, WY Posts: 736	Well, I know where the Rocky Mountain MR2 Owners Club will not be going during meets anymore. I bet it cuts down on speeding there though. __________________ Eric "The secret to life is honesty and fair dealing, if you can fake that you've got it made"

12-23-2004, 12:36 PM	#3
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10,899 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 1	I got a B.S. ticket the other day. Well, I was speeding, just crappy circumstances. This is the first Iv'e had in over 10 years & I drive 50K~60K every year. I was on a 2 lane highway and passed a grain truck. No traffic comming the opposite way. Well I know truckers hate people lolly gagging around while passing, so I get it done. He clocked me just after I got around the guy. I wasn't using brakes to slow back down to 60. Another thing truckers hate, people getting in front of them and hitting the brakes. In a nut shell 73 mph cost me $75.00. Oh well, no renewal sticker on the back of the license any longer I pitty the fool who has to pay $500 under similar circumstances. __________________ I'm a down home back woods redneck

12-25-2004, 02:17 AM	#4
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,877	that is pure BS they are doing it for the money it's greed not speeding we are talking about. 500.00 dollar speeding ticket......... what horse chit __________________ Submitted with respect to all

12-25-2004, 06:52 AM	#6
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,219	Wait til one of the City Councilmen's wives gets nailed - they'll back off on it real quick. :insane: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

12-25-2004, 03:11 AM	#5
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,812	with fines like that, those cops will be spending alot of time in court over contested tickets.

12-25-2004, 06:56 AM	#7
G Hollingsworth Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 227	City officials? Must feel they need to justify what they do, so lets line up and spread you cheeks.

12-25-2004, 09:54 AM	#8
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,023 Blog Entries: 4	Bet the city officials get off scott free when they're stopped by LEO. :nod: But on second thought...I know there's plenty of LEO's who would even give their mothers, or Santa Clause, a ticket if they got caught speeding. __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

12-25-2004, 10:39 AM	#9
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,219	Well, down here the TPD would probably look the other way, the LCSD might give 'em a pass too - but those fine lads in the Florida Highway Patrol would nail their butts to the courthouse wall! __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

12-25-2004, 03:58 PM	#10
Gyrene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 886	The Politicos have convinced the public for years that speeding causes accidents and other ills. The reality is, speeding only increases the severity of an accident. The real causes of accidents are found in inattentive driving, negligent driving, inexperienced drivers, and reckless driving. Of course drunken driving is one of the causes, too, but the getting drunk was a reckless/inattentive/negligent effort on the part of the drunk! If speeding was the cause of accidents, we would read of daily incidents all over Germany, of really serious accidents. They have no more accidents per capita than we do, and quite likely fewer accidents. When the traffic is moving at speeds from around 100 kph (62.5 mph) to speeds upward of 260 kph (above 155 mph), and these vehicles are passing the slower vehicles less than 8 feet between them, on 2 lane autobahns (most are only 2 lanes each way), if speed was the cause, you would see accidents all of the time, and everywhere there is an autobahn! In the over 35,000 miles I have driven on those autobahns, most of the time I cruised at speeds of 225 kph (125 mph) or higher, and I have seen the end result of only 4 accidents, in all of those miles, non-fatal except for one when an American was thrown from his vehicle (he was not wearing his seat belt). To contrast that with slower speeds in Germany, I have seen probably 20 accidents where the speed limits were between 20 kph (about 13 mph) and 40 kph (about 38 mph), traffic in all cases was at or about the speed limit, and in 7 of those accidents there were fatalities. So just like the Anti Gun Politicos, the Anti Speed Politicos are attacking every driver, and not just those who are involved in accidents. The state of mind is the cause of the crash, whether it is intentional, or accidental, just like with firearms! Their claim that the cities and other jurisdictions don't make money on traffic citations doesn't wash. I have seen the lines waiting to go into the traffic courts here in the San Francisco Bay Area, and when there are hundreds of people paying fines of $100.00 to $1,000.00 each day, they have to be making money. Running a red light (where it is the LEOs' word against yours) it will cost you at least $331.00 for the first offense, and I know one person who was fined $1,000.00 for his first offense and the commissioner (not Judge) ignored 5 witnesses who were present, and took the word of a lying LEO! `

12-26-2004, 07:32 AM	#12
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,219	Well, certainly there are situations where too much speed is a major factor, but I think what Gyrene means is that the lack of simple common sense is the biggest single factor. I've seen cases where an accident happened due to insufficient speed - a stupid driver poking along, others come on him (or her) over a hill and there the idiot is in their way! Crunch. The biggest single problem is that Americans, by and large, aren't trained to drive the way they are in Europe. We show the kids a couple films, let 'em idle around a parking lot, give 'em their license and strap them into two tons of steel. It's a recipe for disaster - many thousands die each year from pure stupidity. They overdrive their skill, they don't pay attention to their surroundings. I cringe when I see the "rolling highway cosmetologists" doing their face and hair, or a fool with the cell phone clapped to his ear, ranting into it oblivious to the task of driving. On the one hand, Americans enjoy the freedom of owning and driving cars like no other nation on earth, but on the other hand we pay dearly for that priveledge. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

12-26-2004, 08:52 AM	#13
Gyrene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 886	NorCalAshnjikov - I believe that the description you provided fits one of the causes I described as real causes of accidents (either negligent or reckless driving). "The real causes of accidents are found in inattentive driving, negligent driving, inexperienced drivers, and reckless driving. Of course drunken driving is one of the causes, too, but the getting drunk was a reckless/inattentive/negligent effort on the part of the drunk!" The likelihood of anyone with common sense to be driving 80 mph in a 25 mph zone is near zero. However, driving at 30 or 35 in a 25 mph zone is relatively safe. I personally observed an accident that was caused by a negligent or reckless driver who ran a 4 way stop at 75 mph. The driver of the other car was ejected (before seatbelts were required), and her legs knocked my legs out from under me, as her face hit the curb and the impact killed her. The guilty driver had just had a breakup argument with his girlfriend, and took it out on his car and those around him. He was convicted of manslaughter. The US Department of Transportation performed a study in the early 1990's where they proved that the posted speed limits are deliberately set at least 10 mph slower than is considered safe by the authorities who set the limit. In part because they figure that 80% or the drivers will observe the speed limit, and the other 20% will get tickets providing unbudgeted revenue for the jurisdiction that regulates the speed limit. `

12-26-2004, 10:19 AM	#14
Doglips Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cocoa Florida Posts: 9,089	Lets face it we got so many things in cars these days..dagn near need a systems officer to operate them while you drive...cell phones, DVD (movie) players...GPS..North Star...food..kids...dogs/cats...reading...women putting on makeup...guys tieing ties...its like driveing is something people do when they run out of other stuff to do in their car.