Soldier's Uniform Hangs From Noose In Front Of Home

Despoiler · 02-09-2005, 11:51 PM

http://www.thekcrachannel.com/news/4180042/detail.html

I heard about on the radio this morning. The radio talk show host said what road it was on. I was in the area so I drove by, by the time that I got there the uniform was already torn down. There was a LEO sitting out front of the house and when I stopped to take a picture for you guys he jumped out of the car and told me to get out of there. I tried to talk to him but he would have none of it and just kept repeating for me to get out of there before he charged me. There were still Iraqi flags hanging in their windows. These two people live in Berkley and this is their weekend home. I think these two pinko liberal need to go back to Berkley.

gunssb · 02-10-2005, 12:22 AM

!!!! idiots

and I can totally see the LEO doing that - they're just jerks here

he would have charged you with what ? you were on a public street - I guess your rights don't matter ?

Shaun · 02-10-2005, 12:29 AM

sounds like your call is right on the mark allen

NorCalAshnjikov · 02-10-2005, 02:07 AM

If it were me I wouldn't have taken down the uniform.
I'd have gotten my shotgun and set out on the porch.
You don't know the first thing about being an American.

Big Dog · 02-10-2005, 04:58 AM

It wasn't the owners who took the rag down - it was a group of "concerned citizens". I can see both sides of the issue - if one wants to push it as a First Amendment issue. But it was still stupid and in very poor taste to display something like that. Yeah, they may have been within their rights - but that doesn't make it any less stupid.

missharpshooter · 02-10-2005, 05:52 AM

All I have to say anymore is this world has gone crazy, what is right is wrong, what is wrong is right....not much like when I was growing up, only thing I had to worry about was how fast I could get home for lunch to see what Mom had made for me...LOLL

02-10-2005, 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NorCalAshnjikov

You don't know the first thing about being an American.

that sort of activity is tantamount to displaying a Nazi or Imperial Japanese flag during World War 2

it may be their free speech and freedom of expression..but I equate it to Treason..it may be legal, but it's equivalent to burning an American Flag to me..if I see it I'm whooping their tail :insane: or at the very least I'll spit on them

ShooMac · 02-10-2005, 09:01 AM

I am afraid that many people are missing the point here. Clearly these people are trying to intimidate African-American soldiers by lynching one in effigy. This is obviously a racist hate crime, which is NOT protected by the First Amendment. Why are the people of Sacramento, Berkley, and Compton tolerating this racisim?

Shaun · 02-10-2005, 09:35 AM

Bezerkly tolerates anything in fact they promote it -- Sac was turning liberal when I left in 97

Rave · 02-10-2005, 10:21 AM

I think Missharpshooter summed the situation up pretty well.

Dennis · 02-10-2005, 02:06 PM

free speech is fine
i understand the argument
yet we all have to get along
the homeowner CAN put up stuff like that
the neighbors CAN nail their doors shut and burn their house down.

alls fair..........

Stopper · 02-10-2005, 02:19 PM

I'm with that, heck I served to allow people the right to show their stupidity. I say let them do as they wish, I don't like it and sure as heck wouldn't do the same but they have that right and I'd go fight for them if need be, cause if you do not fight for your enemies rights, no one is gonna fight for yours!

SexyRedXterra · 02-12-2005, 08:30 AM

Yuck. Treason; it's called treason. They have a very special punishment for that.....

NorCalAshnjikov · 02-14-2005, 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logansdad

that sort of activity is tantamount to displaying a Nazi or Imperial Japanese flag during World War 2

it may be their free speech and freedom of expression..but I equate it to Treason..it may be legal, but it's equivalent to burning an American Flag to me..if I see it I'm whooping their tail :insane: or at the very least I'll spit on them

No its not you idiot.

Protesting the war by saying:
Your tax dollars are paying for dead Americans

is millions of miles away from supporting NAZI's.

IDIOT

Stopper · 02-14-2005, 03:04 PM

Treason is giving aid or helping an enemy - excercising your rights is no where's even close to treason. Even if you cannot grasp the thought of freedom and liberty, it does not make it right for you to call it something it is not.

Is Keeping and bearing arms treason?

ALL OF OUR RIGHTS ARE LIKE MUSCLES, IF YOU DO NOT EXCERCISE THEM THEY DO NOT WORK PROPERLY!!!!!!!!

SexyRedXterra · 02-14-2005, 03:17 PM

I don't feel very free or liberated when some psycho displays a noose in their yard with a soldier's uniform at the end of it. Tell me, does it liberate you?

Stopper · 02-14-2005, 03:20 PM

I'm already liberated, have been since birth. If you live in America and you do not feel liberated, you need to check with your legislators as to why you are not liberated and ask whats being done about it.
Nothing about THEIR actions should make you feel liberated, they are not fighting for your liberty or freedom. They are EXPRESSING them selves, albeit, very poorly and without taste.
It's YOUR job to liberate yourself, for if you cannot help yourself, who can you help.

SexyRedXterra · 02-14-2005, 03:48 PM

America was founded to protect us from ourselves ("Mob" ruling). What he's doing can be taken as a threat, meaning he's trampling on others rights to safety and security.

02-14-2005, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NorCalAshnjikov

No its not you idiot.

Protesting the war by saying:
Your tax dollars are paying for dead Americans

is millions of miles away from supporting NAZI's.

IDIOT

maybe that sort of activity is tolerated out there along with all that San Francisco mess and Berkeley Horse Droppings but it wouldn't fly out here... :insane: I would definitely say it is along the same lines as displaying a Nazi flag during WW2...

must be something in the water out there in Commiefornia

Stopper · 02-14-2005, 04:15 PM

America was not founded to "protect us" from ourselves, it was founded on the idea of INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS and LIBERTY. They have the freedom to say or display anything they want as long as it does not break any laws - and if it did, I guarantee the thing would be down by now. What part about INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS and LIBERTY is so freaking hard to comprehend??????????

This isn't soviet russia where we are all concerned about the "collective" or the state of the state - their message is sick and repugnant, but it is worth defending because everyone shares the same rights and if you do not fight for thier rights, you cannot fight for yours. It's that simple. You do not have to like what they are doing, but you HAVE to allow them the FREEDOM to say or display as they wish as long as it does not violate any laws.

Good greif, have schools been so terrible at teaching American history and the founding of this country that I have to have this discussion?

02-09-2005, 11:51 PM	#1
Despoiler Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Occupied Territory of California Posts: 2,232	Soldier's Uniform Hangs From Noose In Front Of Home http://www.thekcrachannel.com/news/4180042/detail.html I heard about on the radio this morning. The radio talk show host said what road it was on. I was in the area so I drove by, by the time that I got there the uniform was already torn down. There was a LEO sitting out front of the house and when I stopped to take a picture for you guys he jumped out of the car and told me to get out of there. I tried to talk to him but he would have none of it and just kept repeating for me to get out of there before he charged me. There were still Iraqi flags hanging in their windows. These two people live in Berkley and this is their weekend home. I think these two pinko liberal need to go back to Berkley.

02-10-2005, 12:29 AM	#3
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,592 Images: 1	sounds like your call is right on the mark allen __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

02-10-2005, 04:58 AM	#5
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,219	It wasn't the owners who took the rag down - it was a group of "concerned citizens". I can see both sides of the issue - if one wants to push it as a First Amendment issue. But it was still stupid and in very poor taste to display something like that. Yeah, they may have been within their rights - but that doesn't make it any less stupid. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

02-10-2005, 05:52 AM	#6
missharpshooter Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 979 Images: 2	All I have to say anymore is this world has gone crazy, what is right is wrong, what is wrong is right....not much like when I was growing up, only thing I had to worry about was how fast I could get home for lunch to see what Mom had made for me...LOLL __________________ IF IT DOESN'T GET HOT..IT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH FIREPOWER....DBL TAPP IS NOT DANCING..

02-10-2005, 09:01 AM	#8
ShooMac Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 354	I am afraid that many people are missing the point here. Clearly these people are trying to intimidate African-American soldiers by lynching one in effigy. This is obviously a racist hate crime, which is NOT protected by the First Amendment. Why are the people of Sacramento, Berkley, and Compton tolerating this racisim? __________________ "Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun." - Ash

02-10-2005, 12:22 AM	#2
gunssb Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: socal Posts: 1,833	!!!! idiots and I can totally see the LEO doing that - they're just jerks here he would have charged you with what ? you were on a public street - I guess your rights don't matter ?

02-10-2005, 02:07 AM	#4
NorCalAshnjikov Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 688 Images: 1	If it were me I wouldn't have taken down the uniform. I'd have gotten my shotgun and set out on the porch. You don't know the first thing about being an American.

02-10-2005, 09:35 AM	#9
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,592 Images: 1	Bezerkly tolerates anything in fact they promote it -- Sac was turning liberal when I left in 97 __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

02-10-2005, 10:21 AM	#10
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 6,877	I think Missharpshooter summed the situation up pretty well. __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

02-10-2005, 02:06 PM	#11
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,877	free speech is fine i understand the argument yet we all have to get along the homeowner CAN put up stuff like that the neighbors CAN nail their doors shut and burn their house down. alls fair.......... __________________ Submitted with respect to all

02-10-2005, 02:19 PM	#12
Stopper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansass Posts: 2,211 Images: 1	I'm with that, heck I served to allow people the right to show their stupidity. I say let them do as they wish, I don't like it and sure as heck wouldn't do the same but they have that right and I'd go fight for them if need be, cause if you do not fight for your enemies rights, no one is gonna fight for yours! __________________ They should have stopped at "Congress shall make no law"

02-12-2005, 08:30 AM	#13
SexyRedXterra Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: NJ Shore and Western PA Posts: 1,206	Yuck. Treason; it's called treason. They have a very special punishment for that..... __________________ "God doesn't always do things on our schedule, but he's always right on time."

02-14-2005, 03:04 PM	#15
Stopper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansass Posts: 2,211 Images: 1	Treason is giving aid or helping an enemy - excercising your rights is no where's even close to treason. Even if you cannot grasp the thought of freedom and liberty, it does not make it right for you to call it something it is not. Is Keeping and bearing arms treason? ALL OF OUR RIGHTS ARE LIKE MUSCLES, IF YOU DO NOT EXCERCISE THEM THEY DO NOT WORK PROPERLY!!!!!!!! __________________ They should have stopped at "Congress shall make no law"

02-14-2005, 03:17 PM	#16
SexyRedXterra Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: NJ Shore and Western PA Posts: 1,206	I don't feel very free or liberated when some psycho displays a noose in their yard with a soldier's uniform at the end of it. Tell me, does it liberate you? __________________ "God doesn't always do things on our schedule, but he's always right on time."

02-14-2005, 03:20 PM	#17
Stopper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansass Posts: 2,211 Images: 1	I'm already liberated, have been since birth. If you live in America and you do not feel liberated, you need to check with your legislators as to why you are not liberated and ask whats being done about it. Nothing about THEIR actions should make you feel liberated, they are not fighting for your liberty or freedom. They are EXPRESSING them selves, albeit, very poorly and without taste. It's YOUR job to liberate yourself, for if you cannot help yourself, who can you help. __________________ They should have stopped at "Congress shall make no law"

02-14-2005, 03:48 PM	#18
SexyRedXterra Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: NJ Shore and Western PA Posts: 1,206	America was founded to protect us from ourselves ("Mob" ruling). What he's doing can be taken as a threat, meaning he's trampling on others rights to safety and security. __________________ "God doesn't always do things on our schedule, but he's always right on time."

02-14-2005, 04:15 PM	#20
Stopper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansass Posts: 2,211 Images: 1	America was not founded to "protect us" from ourselves, it was founded on the idea of INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS and LIBERTY. They have the freedom to say or display anything they want as long as it does not break any laws - and if it did, I guarantee the thing would be down by now. What part about INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS and LIBERTY is so freaking hard to comprehend?????????? This isn't soviet russia where we are all concerned about the "collective" or the state of the state - their message is sick and repugnant, but it is worth defending because everyone shares the same rights and if you do not fight for thier rights, you cannot fight for yours. It's that simple. You do not have to like what they are doing, but you HAVE to allow them the FREEDOM to say or display as they wish as long as it does not violate any laws. Good greif, have schools been so terrible at teaching American history and the founding of this country that I have to have this discussion? __________________ They should have stopped at "Congress shall make no law"